Tropical Storm Vince forms; Hurricane Stan now rated one of 30 deadliest.

[NNadir]

A new tropical storm has formed in a rare part of the Atlantic, Tropical Storm Vince, the first time in history a "V" name has ever been used.

The storm formed in an unusual way in an usual place, hardly surprising since our climate is rapidly collapsing.

The storm has a bright side: It will likely hit Portugal and Spain, two countries devastated by drought that are in danger of desertification. Climate change giveth and climate change taketh away.

Meanwhile, Hurricane Stan's death toll has be increasing as bodies are found; it is now over 1500 making Stan one of the deadliest 30 storms of all time.

It formally surpasses the offical government controlled and reported toll of Katrina, 1242. The formal counts aside, we need not fret or think about Stan, because as is usual, in the calculation of the seriousness of a disaster (especially in the disaster in Iraq) only American deaths are considered reportable or worth worrying about.

This info is paraphrased (with sarcasm added along with some other notes) from Jeff Master's blog.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/show.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Yesterday at a sci fi conventiion I sat in shock

as a kid said, I am not kidding, well our technology worked, only 850 people died, I interrupted and said, official death toll as of yerterday pay AP 1110... and that is expected to rise as more bodies are found and processed.

She looked at me in shock

Look they are not releasing numbers until they process the bodies and they are still finding bodies in houses at times by relatives.

The kid said... but that is not what Fox said... Yes why do yuo think I previously said that Fox was government controlled propaganda, and just the most obvious of them?

I decided to leave teh "tin foil" theories that they are hiding bodies... which I know they are. to the side. On the plus side you could almost see the gears starting to move

[MnFats]

2. I have long worried about hurricanes veering south...

due to the much larger pool of warm/hot water in the centralAtlantic...friends with some meteorology expertise tell me the fear is well-grounded....Brazil and some of its neighbors could get nailed, and they're not ready for such....

[mike_c]

3. may I introduce Caterina....

http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cyclone/catarina.html

South Atlantic Hurricane breaks all the rules

Pick up any text book on hurricanes and it will tell you that the one place where hurricanes do not occur is the South Atlantic Ocean. The atmosphere does not provide enough spin near the surface to get them started and winds higher in the atmosphere tend to shear off any that do make a start. Hence, it was with some amazement that meteorologists watched the first ever recorded hurricane develop off the coast of Brazil in the last week of March.

(snip)

Initially the storm did not look much like a hurricane, but in common with some of its counterparts which develop in the North Atlantic Ocean, it acquired enough characteristics to convince the majority of the world's tropical cyclone experts that it was indeed a hurricane. It came ashore in the Brazilian state of Santa Catarina on 28 March 2004 with winds, estimated by the US National Hurricane Center, of near 90 m.p.h., causing much damage to property and some loss of life. The Brazilian meteorologists dubbed it 'Catarina'.

[MnFats]

4. yikes! once again i am behind the times.

...thanks for pointing that out....i think...what next?

[phantom power]

8. The "spin" is just coriolis force, yes?

That's just a function of lattitude. >= 5 degrees south of the equator should provide sufficient coriolis, just like >= 5 degrees north does.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. Whoa

I never heard of a hurricane hitting southern Europe. Am I just an idiot or is this a first?

[NNadir]

6. It isn't a hurricane. It's a tropical storm.

It is expected to be a depression by the time it hits Europe, if that. It will bring much needed rain though.

[NNadir]

7. Now it's a hurricane.

It's completely exotic storm. The degree of climatic instability should be frightening to everyone, if it already isn't so.

[jpak]

9. I hope Portugal and Spain get a TON of rain out of this.

They have been in a severe drought this year....

[sabbat hunter]

10. tropical storm vince

what is a bit weird about vince is that the sea surface temps where it formed are actually normal for that region (lower 70's) which is actually not favorable for hurricane forming.

it is a very small storm, with the cloud tops not being all that cold, at least no where nearly as cold as stan or the typical hurricane.

david

[NNadir]

11. When you really think about it, the unpredictability itself is telling.

The models are breaking down because the initial conditions have changed completely. This to my mind is the signature of the catastrophe upon us.