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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:17 PM
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Wind Energy potential for U.S. equals 1.5 times current total demand
Wind energy is the cheaper than coal, natural gas and or course home heating oil. Coal costs about 7 cents per kiloWatt hr, gas is much higher. Wind runs about 5-7 cents depending on where the wind farm is situated. Solar power we obviously want to continue to research but right now it is much more expensive than any of the above.

Cost of Coal

Comparitive Cost of Wind Power (note this data is from 1996. Gas now costs about 12 - 14 cents per kilowatt hour. Wind power cost has gone down since 1996. As more wind generators are built the cost will continue to do down for wind.)

Wind Energy Potential U.S.

A study in 1992 <3> recalculated estimates of windy land area and wind electric potential based on a more accurate mapping of environmental exclusion areas and a moderate land exclusion scenario. These new estimates were about 1% to 2% higher than the preliminary estimates made in 1991 based on the same land exclusion scenario. Overall, even with land being excluded from wind energy development for environmental and land-use considerations, the amount of windy land available and potential electric power from wind energy is surprisingly large. The amount of windy land available for power class 4 and above is approximately 460,000 square kilometers, or about 6% of the total land area in the contiguous United States. The potential average power from areas with class 4 and higher, which are suitable for development with advanced wind turbine technology, is estimated at 500,000 MW. If future generation technology is utilized to take advantage of areas with wind resource class 3 and higher, then the amount of windy land available is over 1,000,000 square kilometers, or almost 14% of the land area in the contiguous United States. Moreover, the estimates show that a group of 12 states in the midsection of the country have enough wind energy potential to produce nearly four times the amount of electricity consumed by the nation in 1990.

Although the nation's wind potential is very large, only part of it can be exploited economically. The economic viability of wind power will vary from utility to utility. Important factors not addressed in this study that influence land availability and wind electric potential include production/demand match (seasonal and daily), transmission and access constraints, public acceptance, and other technological and institutional constraints.

To provide 20% of the nation's electricity, only about 0.6% of the land of the lower 48 states would have to be developed with wind turbines. Furthermore, less than 5% of this land would be occupied by wind turbines, electrical equipment, and access roads. Most existing land use, such as farming and ranching, could remain as it is now.



wind energy:

permits dual use of land (farming , grazing)

increases security of power grid due to distributed production (when we get about 5% of electrical energy from wind it will increase the security of old tech coal and gas fired plants because the terrorists won't blow them up knowing we can just transfer power from wind-farms.

IF WIND FARMS COULD GET FINANCING ON THE SAME TERMS AS UTILITY FINANCED COAL AND GAS FIRED POWER PLANTS THE COST FOR WIND POWER WOULD GO DOWN ANOTHER 40%!! (so 5 cents per KWhr becomes 3 cents per kWhr!

Regarding wind variability, in Europe they use excess wind power (over demand) to pump water into a resevoir. Then when winds are not so great but demand is there, they let the water run through turbines to produce hydro-power! Obviously this adds to the overall cost but at the rate Natural Gas is going up (or even at the cost of Natural gas right now) this could very well be economically feasible very soon (if not already)..

This is one of the best kept secrets in the U.S. In Europe they are way ahead of us.


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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:22 PM
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1. Why isn't the federal government doing more for wind power?
The only thing this Bush administration wants to do is throw more corporate welfare to the coal,oil, and gas industries.

We need to create a program to give very low interest loans to companies that build wind power.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:25 PM
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2. Gore's $400BB surplus could have seeded a new energy economy.
Created new jobs, domestically, retooling our infrastructure to adapt to a post-peak oil world. and weaned our strategic dependence on oil. Instead, we are financially busted and more dependent on this source than ever. Someday, when the last Freeper wakes from his 30 year coma, he's going to see how his blind alleigence to his "Party" sold this country out for the windfall profits of Big Oil.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:32 PM
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3. Wind farms do pollute. They are very, very noisy. They are not perfect.
But in isolated & windy areas - a good choice. If you put them just outside a city - you could probably damage alot of ears nearby. Don't know if they are worse than an airport - because the noise pollution is constant.

But yes - a good choice in certain circumstances. So too geothermal pipes put into all new suburban homes. They make the house more valuable and save money over the years. But only in areas where there is a big difference between the temp in the ground and the temp in the air. Don't know if they can be used for air-conditioning. But they certainly can be used to heat homes in Canada.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:37 PM
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4. They work great for AC.
Dirt can absorb heat just as well as it can give it up.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:46 PM
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6. Actually, I think they work better for A/C
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 05:46 PM by louis-t
because ground temp is 50-60 deg.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:10 PM
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9. Good to know!
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:38 PM
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5. These days they are quieter than, say -- wind. n/t
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 05:38 PM by skids
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:09 PM
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8. Really?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:12 PM
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10. Doesn't noise build up - like other waves? So when you have
a whole farm...

Don't really know.

If you say so. Good. I've heard they can be used to refuel a hydrogen fuel battery that can then be put into a car and used for a day.

The possibilities sound great.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:21 PM
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12. Where do you live...

...I might be able to tell you where you could see a modern one and judge for yourself, which would be much more convincing than anything I could say here :-)

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:23 PM
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13. Well - I'm private about that. But I'll make a point of sussing out a
farm myself some day soon.

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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:59 PM
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7. They are not noisy.
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 06:01 PM by Massacure
I visited one as a part of an environmental science class my high school offers. We sat inside the bus with the engine off not 10 feet away from the turbine and we could NOT hear it.

The only place it was remotely noisy was inside the tower, which we could steal hear the power company dude talk.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:20 PM
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11. Wind turbines are most certainly NOT noisy...
http://www.bwea.com/ref/noise.html

I worked near (~100 meters) three wind turbines in Denmark in 1995. The only sound they made was a soft "whoosh" when I stood directly underneath them.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:24 PM
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14. Thanks for the info. I'm convinced.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 12:06 AM
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15. Many in U.S. are paying extra for Green energy(wind) even though
wind energy is often much cheaper than energy from fossil fuels in many cases.

wind often about 6 cents per kwh; while energy from natural gas, the 1st or 2nd leading fossil fuel source is higher.
And The cost of energy from coal and nuclear is also usually higher if all costs are taken into account.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 12:19 PM
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16. the Green Energy groups make payments to the green energy
producers to help off set the costs.

We're installing a 20KW Jacobs wind turbine - with the tower, inverters and installation it's going to cost between $45-50,000. So yes, I'm paying for all my electricity over the next 20 years up front vs a monthly bill, but the cash has to flow from somewhere. Here in NC, as a business I can get a tax credit of 35% state and 30% Federal taken over a 5 year period - so that helps bring the cost down into the $15K range - that reduces my payback by decades!

Greenpower.org will pay ($0.07/kwh) over and above my local utility net metering ($0.03/Kwh) to help make the power I buy from the grid ($0.11/kwh) and the payment I get from selling back much closer. The numbers are higher for PV, since the cost is higher to produce.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:09 PM
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17. Cost of wind power would go DOWN 40% if they were financed
the same as utilities finance coal and gas fired plants!

40% LESS!


That means wind farms in the plains states would be generating electricity for about 3 CENTS per KiloWatt hour!!

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