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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 11:31 AM
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Environment in Crisis: We Are Past the Pt. of No Return: J. Lovelock
I found these three related articles in the Independent. I don't know where I've been, but I don't recall hearing of this gentleman, or his theories. An Amazon search shows he has written several books. His theories are very depressing, but I thought interesting. If what he says is true, my generation and their offspring are in for a very bumpy ride. Our children's children will grow up in a very different world. The articles also brought to mind, how different our world would be today, if we had only learned the lessons of the Native American people who were living on the NA continent.
An off the wall thought came to mind: Is this merely a cycle that humans have already gone through? The 100,000 year recovery period is what brought this to mind. If so, at the end of the healing period, will we have learned our lessons?
If anyone has read any of his books, I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Here are the three articles.

Environment in crisis: 'We are past the point of no return'
Thirty years ago, the scientist James Lovelock worked out that the Earth possessed a planetary-scale control system which kept the environment fit for life. He called it Gaia, and the theory has become widely accepted. Now, he believes mankind's abuse of the environment is making that mechanism work against us. His astonishing conclusion - that climate change is already insoluble, and life on Earth will never be the same again.
By Michael McCarthy Environment Editor
Published: 16 January 2006

The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive, according to James Lovelock, the scientist and green guru who conceived the idea of Gaia - the Earth which keeps itself fit for life.

In a profoundly pessimistic new assessment, published in today's Independent, Professor Lovelock suggests that efforts to counter global warming cannot succeed, and that, in effect, it is already too late.

>more

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article338878.ece

A related article:



James Lovelock: The Earth is about to catch a morbid fever that may last as long as 100,000 years
Each nation must find the best use of its resources to sustain civilisation for as long as they can

Published: 16 January 2006
>snip

This article is the most difficult I have written and for the same reasons. My Gaia theory sees the Earth behaving as if it were alive, and clearly anything alive can enjoy good health, or suffer disease. Gaia has made me a planetary physician and I take my profession seriously, and now I, too, have to bring bad news.

The climate centres around the world, which are the equivalent of the pathology lab of a hospital, have reported the Earth's physical condition, and the climate specialists see it as seriously ill, and soon to pass into a morbid fever that may last as long as 100,000 years. I have to tell you, as members of the Earth's family and an intimate part of it, that you and especially civilisation are in grave danger.

Our planet has kept itself healthy and fit for life, just like an animal does, for most of the more than three billion years of its existence. It was ill luck that we started polluting at a time when the sun is too hot for comfort. We have given Gaia a fever and soon her condition will worsen to a state like a coma. She has been there before and recovered, but it took more than 100,000 years. We are responsible and will suffer the consequences: as the century progresses, the temperature will rise 8 degrees centigrade in temperate regions and 5 degrees in the tropics.

>more

http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article338830.ece

One more related article:



Why Gaia is wreaking revenge on our abuse of the environment
By Michael McCarthy
Published: 16 January 2006

With anyone else, you would not really take it seriously: the proposition that because of climate change, human society as we know it on this planet may already be condemned, whatever we do. It would seem not just radical, but outlandish, mere hyperbole. And we react against it instinctively: it seems simply too sombre to be countenanced.

But James Lovelock, the celebrated environmental scientist, has a unique perspective on the fate of the Earth. Thirty years ago he conceived the idea that the planet was special in a way no one had ever considered before: that it regulated itself, chemically and atmospherically, to keep itself fit for life, as if it were a great super-organism; as if, in fact, it were alive.

The complex mechanism he put forward for this might have remained in the pages of arcane geophysical journals had he continued to refer to it as "the biocybernetic universal system tendency".

>snip

It has been only gradually that the scientific establishment has become convinced of the essential truth of the theory, that the Earth possesses a planetary control system, founded on the interaction of living organisms with their environment, which has operated for billions of years to allow life to exist, by regulating the temperature, the chemical composition of the atmosphere, even the salinity of the seas.

>more

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article338879.ece

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 11:37 AM
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1. Our species is acting cancerous
Dr. Lovelock probably wouldn't want to state it in those stark, misanthropic terms, but when you really look at the role the human species is playing in relation to the planetary biosphere, the conclusion is inescapable.

What else do you call an otherwise normal part of a body that suddenly determines that it's own unbridled growth is more important than the health and survival of the whole? Other than 'extinct', the only term that comes to mind is 'cancer'.

We need to go into remission.



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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 02:29 PM
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10. "Cancer" works....
... but so does "vermin" -- a species of destructive habits whose numbers will grow exponentially if not held in check with vigorous and sustained predation.

We, as a species, have been so quick to label mice, rats, rabbits and other "undesirables" as vermin, which is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 11:43 AM
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2. Why isn't anyone listening?
This is so totally amazing, not only because some people can see this coming but because so many people simply refuse to.

Except for the Pentagon, of course, where they are already planning for the Resource Wars that are going to erupt as climate changes undermine our entire civilization.

Dr. Strangelove? Parody or prophecy? Time will tell.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:03 PM
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4. Not sure, I'm ready to see this happen.
I have a real thing for the diversity of life on this planet, and the incredible way everything is linked together to make it work.
We would certainly have some stories to tell our grandchildren, wouldn't we, about the way it used to be?
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 02:30 PM
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11. Well, we would if were still around to tell the tale
But odds are good that not many of us will have even that small comfort.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 05:45 PM
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12. And the ones who aren't listening
aren't the ones we would expect, either. I talked with one person today who's very well educated and he doesn't put stock in what Professor Lovelock said. Didn't even want me to forward the e-mail I received about it.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:00 PM
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3. This part is already happening.

"The scientist's vision of what human society may ultimately be reduced to through climate change is "a broken rabble led by brutal warlords.""

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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:13 PM
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5. Imagine how bad it would get...
as resources become more and more limited, especially food and water? I can envision the "broken rabble" in this country, scrabbling to survive. Very scary stuff.
Gotta go....Gore is on.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:44 PM
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7. when in Rome
hey those books you gave us look good on the shelves at home
and they'll burn warm in the fireplace, teacher, when in Rome
--Chris Thile
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:25 PM
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6. Holy Shit! Lovelock's still alive? what is he, 100?
:wow:
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:26 PM
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8. Nope, a mere 86.
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 02:27 PM by livvy
Professor Lovelock visualises it all in the title of his new book, The Revenge of Gaia. Now 86, but looking and sounding 20 years younger, he is by nature an optimistic man with a ready grin, and it felt somewhat unreal to talk calmly to him in his Cornish mill house last week, with a coffee cup to hand and birds on the feeder outside the study window, about such a dark future. You had to pinch yourself.

Edit: the above is from one of the links I posted.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-17-06 12:03 AM
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9. K&R - Just posted article about Lovelocks new book
We are so screwed. Hey, hear about that new 300HP Dodge Charger? Yee-haw!
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