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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:34 PM
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Washington State to provide 54 cent/kw-hr subsidy to photovoltaics.
http://www.nwcurrent.com/renewable/2076862.html

Robust global demand for solar energy has some of Washington’s major manufacturing companies considering big expansion plans. It remains to be seen, however, whether a pair of much-touted state laws is enough to attract new solar-electric companies from outside of Washington.



Key challenges facing The Evergreen State are a global scarcity of solar-grade silicon and stiff recruiting competition from other states and countries. In the near term, industry experts predict big companies with an existing manufacturing presence in Washington and startups appear poised to benefit from the laws the most.

In spring 2005, Gov. Christine Gregoire signed into law SB 5101 and SB 5111, which are aimed at helping the state capitalize on the booming global solar energy market by addressing supply and demand.

On the demand side, SB 5101 provides Washington businesses and homes with a base credit of 15 cents per kilowatt-hour of electricity generated from photovoltaic (PV) systems. If the systems’ components are manufactured in Washington, the credit is multiplied to as much as 54 cents, up to $2,000 annually.

On the supply side, SB 5111 provides a 40 percent reduction of the state’s business and occupation tax for manufacturers and wholesale marketers of solar PV modules or silicon components of those systems. Manufacturers that already reside in the state or choose to relocate there are eligible for the reduced tax rate.

Moses Lake-based Solar Grade Silicon LLC, which last year produced about 2,300 metric tons of polycrystalline silicon for solar applications, hopes to triple its manufacturing capacity to meet global industry demand growing by about 35 percent annually...



Certainly there will be a million solar roofs in rainy Washington State soon...
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:46 PM
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1. Thanks for posting this,
if they can get ramp up production of PV cells and get the retail price down to a more affordable level, it seems like it would sure help with the oil issue over a somewhat longer term.

I'm not certain I understand how they're working these credits, any MBAs want to explain?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:14 AM
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3. I suspect it would help more with gas, if it becomes affordable.
Oil provides very little electricity overall.

Gas provides most peak loads.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 11:35 AM
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4. Would still seem to represent a reduction in CO2 emissions
It strikes me that over a somewhat longer term, non-carbon electric generation (or conversion) would seem to make electric vehicles more attractive; if so, this would reduce the need for transportation fuels.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:58 PM
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2. does the state of Wa. need toilet seats, only 600 dollars apiece
what about hammers?
$1000 each
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:09 PM
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5. In other news...
ChimpCo authorizes $6 billion in production credits for 6 new nuclear power plants - $12 billion in total incentives..

..that's $2 billion per plant....

Which proponents say cost only $2 billion to build....

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:56 PM
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6. I am looking forward to the many millions of solar roofs to be installed
in Washington.

Surely they can be installed at 0.54 cents per kilowatt-hour.

Let's do some calculations. They're always fun. A 1000 MWe plant operating at 90% capacity loading produces 1000 MW X 106W/MW * 31,557,600 sec/yr X 0.9 = 28.4 petajoules (1 petajoule = 1015J.) Since 1 kw-hr = 3,600,000J we have 2.84 X1015J/3.6 X 106J-kwhr-1 we have 7.89 billion kilowatt-hours.

Now how much would a solar facility even one with a typical (generously assessed) capacity loading of 0.3 compare to this facility? Let's see 7.89 billion dollars * 0.54 = 4.2 billion dollars.

At what would such a plant operating at 90% capacity loading (ignoring the batteries) cost? $4.2 X109/0.3 = 14 billion dollars.

14 billion dollars for a 1000 MWe capacity power plant. Imagine that!

Rich toys for rich boys.



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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 02:12 PM
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7. Other billions ignored
Stranded costs of canceled US nuclear power plants - $112-500 billion.

Total nuclear R&D 1950-1995 - $66 billion: ~$0.6 billion per US nuclear plant.

Cost of Yucca Mountain - $65 billion.

Cost of pending spent fuel lawsuits against the DOE - $56 billion.

Cost of decommissioning existing US nuclear power plants - $23 billion.

Cost of decommissioning a single commercial spent fuel reprocessing plant $4-8 billion.

Cost of last few nuclear power plants built in US $6-7 billion each.

Cost of depleted UF6 conversion and disposal - $4 billion.

Cost of Three Mile Island boo-boo - $1 billion.

Cost of Radiation Exposure Compensation Act - $0.6 billion and counting.

Cost of decommissioning a single uranium mine in Utah - $0.5 billion.

A billion here - a billion there - and soon you're talking some real money....
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:11 PM
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8. Suspect accounting aside, the US imports 8 billion dollars worth of oil
every few days.

Anti-nuclear people offer all sorts of fiat claims, billion dollars this, billion dollars that, so on and so on as if they cared about a billion dollars.

Point out that a single solar PV plant on the energy scale of a single nuclear plant - would cost 14 billion dollars and we get one of these doleful accountings - which personally I regard as nonsensical.

I note that one trillion dollars would be insufficient to prevent carbon dioxide from causing global climate change. In fact 10 trillion dollars would probably be insufficient.

If it is true that Yucca Mountain cost 65 billion dollars, I note that the figure covers many decades of commercial nuclear power. There is no form of energy that could treat its alleged wastes so cheaply.

In any case, the matter has been decided. The world is building more nuclear power plants, 178 of them last count. The world is also buying some PV systems, but the world still has yet to produce an exajoule by such means.

Anyone who argues that solar PV can prevent nuclear power - or the environmentally worse coal and natural gas - plants by replacing them is invited to prove so by producing exajoules of energy in a safe and clean fashion. The Antarctic glaciers await the production of energy without greenhouse gas impact.

My position is exactly described by this account in Nucleonics Week of April, 2000.

"I used to oppose nuclear plants . . . . I don’t oppose nuclear any more. bias unsupported by the facts." Moran <(D-Va.)> said he changed his mind after attending a conference on nuclear power put on by the Aspen Institute, a nonpartisan organization that tries to facilitate frank discussions and consensus-building on controversial issues. Moran now believes the U.S. should increase its use of nuclear energy. Virginia Power’s nuclear plants are not in Moran’s district, but in a neighboring district. "I’ve gone down to North Anna," he said. "Virginia Power, they do a good job. They’ve got a beautiful lake down there. I’m convinced it’s plenty safe." Environmental concerns about nuclear power are "something of an anachronism" these days, based on advances in technology and improved performance.
Rep. James Moran (D-Va.), reported in Nucleonics Week, April 6, 2000


I also agree with President Clinton's Secretary of Energy, Bill Richardson in the transcribed remarks I now produce:

QUESTION: I am doing a documentary on nuclear energy. Mr. Secretary, please forgive me for asking a very general question. In the United
States in the last decade, there have been no nuclear power plants
built and European countries like Germany are considering the closure
of nuclear plants. What do you see as the future of nuclear energy? Is
this the energy form of the 21st century?


SECRETARY RICHARDSON: Nuclear power accounts for nearly 20 percent of
the United States' electricity generation. We foresee that nuclear
power will remain an important component of our energy mix as we move
into the next millennium. Decisions on the future use of nuclear power
are going to continue to reside with our own electric utilities as
they plan to meet future energy needs in a cost-effective and
environmentally responsible manner. So the short answer is -- they
will remain as a viable option in our energy future.


Our ability to support nuclear power is possible because of the strong
oversight and safety record of our nuclear industry. We rely on a
strong regulatory regime overseen by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission
-- the head of which, Dr. Shirley Jackson, is here for this meeting --
to ensure that nuclear power plants are operating in the safest manner
possible. Additionally, our department has supported the development
of advance reactors with enhanced safety features in hopes of
beginning additional activities through its nuclear energy research
initiative, which I just announced, to continue to address safety
issues.


Now, we do understand concern about the safety of some of the world's
oldest nuclear power plants, particularly those of Soviet design. To
address these concerns the United States, in cooperation with many
countries, supports efforts to improve the level of safety and
oversight at these plants and, where appropriate, to replace the
oldest and least safe reactors. We, the Department of Energy, are
currently working cooperatively with several countries in this area,
including Armenia, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Russia,
Ukraine, Lithuania, and Kazakstan to improve operational safety and
regulatory oversight.


QUESTION: What about the energy form of the 21st century? I want to
know if you think nuclear energy will be the energy form of the 21st
century. It started off quite high in the '50s, how will this continue
in the 21st century?


UNDER SECRETARY ERNEST MONIZ: First, as the Secretary emphasized, we
are of course continuing to use nuclear power for a large part of our
activity now. But more significantly, I would point at two things he
mentioned. One is that we are, as a federal agency, providing the
options for use of nuclear power by, for example, introducing this new
research program which he mentioned -- NERI (Nuclear Energy Research
Initiative) -- which will look at advance reactor types which are
passively safe for proliferation, resistant, and waste minimizing. The
ultimate decisions, as he emphasized, will be market decisions. But
particularly in the context of something like climate change, one
certainly has to maintain the option, and we are doing that through
the new research program which he announced.



http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/news/98092106_wlt.html

I look forward to the day when men like Bill Richardson can return to the administration of our energy future. We need them desperately. One hopes that such men will return and that it will not be too little, too late.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:26 PM
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9. LOL!!!
As Governor of New Mexico, Richardson is pushing for 8000 MW of solar, biomass and wind to be built in NM - he is not pushing for nuclear.




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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:45 PM
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10. I am merely providing a transcript of his remarks in Vienna 9/21/98.
I invite anyone who believes the transcript to be fallacious to demonstrate that it is so.

It is surprising to learn that New Mexico would only now be promising to install solar power. When it has done so, of course, it will show up on the pages of the Energy Information Agencies, both national and international.

Of course, one can push for anything. The results will depend on whether the idea makes sense. People have been pushing for solar PV energy for many decades. Regretfully they have not been able to forestall global climate change with all this pushing. The world has yet to see an exajoule of solar PV power.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:02 PM
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11. There are over 100 nuclear power plants in the US
If it cost "only" $10 billion to replace each one with solar (I'm being generous to the solar promotors since NNadir posted $14 billion), that comes to $1 trillion dollars.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 05:13 PM
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12. The sum of
stranded costs of canceled reactors, federal R&D, plant decommissioning, spent fuel disposal, depleted UF6 disposal, compensation to uranium workers, the Three Mile Island boo-oo and decommissioning of a single uranium mine is ~$0.72 trillion.

Those are costs ignored by the pro-nuclear crowd.

And that doesn't include the cost of construction, fuel enrichment/fabrication, O&M, etc. for the current 100-odd US nuclear plants - or their replacement costs.

...or the $12 billion that ChimpCo is spending to build 6 new nuclear plants.

...and I wouldn't believe the make-believe numbers of anti-solar mystics either...

:)


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