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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:02 AM Original message |
Renewable Energy – Cannot Save Consumer Society |
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southerncrone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. The Consumerism God is killing the planet |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. The problem is much more fundamental than that. All the issues re the limits of our resources are |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. This is one of those very rare occasions that I'm going to agree with something you say. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The tough part is how do you get birth control to people who, given the chance would use it. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Let's be clear on who uses contraception. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 12:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Responsible people |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I would rather subsidize free education and/or job training for your neighbor than |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. I'm not saying she doesn't work, |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You're right, I forgot free family planning . People that desperately can't afford kids, shouldn't |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. They should consider |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. A question for your question: What do you think should be done about her? |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. I think she should be told |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I did not say that I think it's OK to breed indiscriminately. I don't believe in punishing |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Oh give me a break, already |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Then there is Latin America. Where people live in feudal societies and the poor would be better off |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Of course, nuclear won't last forever either. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. This may not be the case at all. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Laughable jibberish: "potentially the amount of uranium on earth is inexhaustible". |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Well since you don't know any chemistry, you don't know what an amidoxime resin is. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 04:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Dr. Wang had to retract a paper? |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. That seems like the reasonable approach. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. This may sound harsh but your reasons why they population will be reduced is nature's way of |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. The population is already leveling off |
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motocicleta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Why do you say 10 b is sustainable? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 06:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. There are widely varying estimates |
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motocicleta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. I have looked at the multivariate assumptions and projections as well |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 02:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. 10 billion is sustainable |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. "25% overshoot at 6.5 billion people" - |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Overshoot |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Americans eat too much meat. Most people in the world eat much less meat, |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Really? You think there are no environmental problems with 6.5 billion? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Population would not nearly be the problem that it is, |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Yes, but so what? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Things are as unfair as they are because we made it that way |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-16-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. For at least the industrial age |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
14. The section on "demand side management" in that essay is pretty lame |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. So the answer is?? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-17-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Perhaps you can tell us what the alternative is??? |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 07:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
39. There is no alternative |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Dieoff |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Outreach |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. There are still at least 29% of the pop that love moron*... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Be my guest! |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-18-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. So you disagree with this post?? |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. If demand is reduced enough, then we will have "backed out of peak oil" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Definitions of "Peak Oil" |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. If we reduce our demand |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. IMO Jevons holds the key to the understanding the looming problem. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 03:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. "I'm all for the die-off solution though..." |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. A great disaster indeed from the human persective |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-22-06 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
51. All renewable energy is solar energy in various forms. There's plenty. |
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4dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Bad analogy |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
53. There's only one thing that can "save" consumer society -- Interstellar trade |
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