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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:07 AM
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A wierd bee sighting
Yesterday, I saw three honeybees.

"Wow," you might say rolling your eyes and preparing to click on another link. But this bee sighting was different.

I live on the second floor of an apartment building in a suburban complex. It is in west central Bucks County, PA, where we have no shortage of bee hives. Yes, CCD has hit a number of apiaries around here, but there are still honeybees to be seen.

When I was a kid, I was fascinated by bees. A friend of mine was the daughter of a beekeeper so I occasionally visited and got to see how beekeeping worked and how bees behaved; I also read about it. But I had only ever once seen a queen bee in real life, in a package of mail-order bees sent to her father to establish a new colony.

Queen bees are a little wider than workers, but they are much longer. They are hard to miss in a swarm. They don't really do much except eat and lay eggs, and they don't fly well except on their "nuptial flight", during which they mate with as many drones (fertile male bees) as possible.

Anyway, I was looking outside my kitchen window and I saw the first honeybee. She was checking out the underhangs and eaves. She flew away, and I saw another worker do the same thing, but this one was accompanied by the biggest bee I had seen in years. It took about five seconds to register on me that it was a queen bee.

Af first I thought, "Queen and two drones", but this queen did not look like she was in good shape. I was close enough to see that one of her wings was partially ripped and she was not walking very well. She then fell off the wall. I saw her fall almost all the way to the cement ground (which also made it easy to see) with one of the workers following her. She recovered her ability to fly right before she hit the ground.

The bees then flew away.

It was puzzling. I am pretty sure I was seeing an "old" queen bee with two workers attending her. Normally, when you see a queen outside the hive, she is either being swarmed by males seeking to mate (all of them acting hyper and doing bee-dances), or by a whole flock of workers as they abscond from a hive that has grown too large. No, this was one tattered-looking queen and two workers.

I half expected to see thousands of bees arrive within an hour as the absconding mass arrived, but it never showed up.

Anyway, I wondered if the queen and the two workers were the last remnants of a hive destroyed by CCD, and that they had left the nest themselves, to die. I can't really say -- they were just three bees not doing much of anything.

I don't anthropomorphize insects, so I did not feel pity for these bees, but it did get me thinking about CCD. Perhaps I saw it in action yesterday. More likely, it was a random thing, unconnected to CCD. But it was odd I should see a queen bee for only the second time in my 49-year life, exhibiting odd behavior outside of a nest with two workers.

File this in the "WTF" file.

--p!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:09 AM
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1. Hey, I think I saw those three bees in my neighborhood, too!
:wow:



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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:11 AM
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2. The bees and frogs are going away...
This is sad and disturbing.
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Neoma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:11 AM
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3. Wow.
Thats rather scary actually.
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firefox_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:11 AM
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4. My pet bee is doing just fine.
Edited on Thu May-03-07 11:12 AM by firefox_fan
Just don't feed them the Chinese pet food. (Kidding).
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:14 AM
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5. That was interesting...
Well written and compellingly told.

I'll kick - deserves to be widely read.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:14 AM
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6. I have Three Hives in my yard
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 12:00 PM
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13. bless you. please protect them.
please keep them away from pesticides.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:14 AM
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7. Maybe they are Carpenter Bees
Edited on Thu May-03-07 11:15 AM by bahrbearian
they look alike..

I was doing some remodeling and opened up a nest of them in the wall, they have small hives and bore into wood to lay eggs. They too are good pollinators.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:31 AM
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10. I agree - perfect description of carpenter bees.
But good luck trying to convince anyone else.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 04:41 PM
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16. I was very happy to see them, and I made sure not to disturb them
since I haven't seen any honey bees around yet.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 01:34 PM
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15. Nope. Not Carpenter bees.
We have many Carpenter bees around, too. I know the difference very well.

The Carpenter bees are much bigger, they hover in place for some time, and they are dumber than dead leaves. I've had them fly right into me, which I do not like, since I am allergic to the toxins of most stinging insects (but fortunately not honeybees).

Carpenter bees aren't aggressive stingers but we have a lot of flowering trees and wood trim, and the Carpenter bees are absolutely nuts this week. By June, they will be much mellower.

--p!
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:15 AM
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8. I believe that queen bees are wingless after mating.
Thus it is unlikely that this is an old queen. What you may have seen is a depopulated swarm.

I've had three honeybees in my house this year. I managed to capture each of them with a paper cup and let them outside.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:28 AM
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9. Ant queens are wingless ...
... they eat their wings to survive.

However, honeybee queens in commercial hives often have one of their wings clipped short to prevent them from being able to fly more than a few feet if they try to abscond. Commercial queens also are usually coded with one or more dots of colored paint. It is possible I saw an ineptly-clipped and uncoded queen, but the one wing (the left one, as luck would have it) was pretty ratty looking. I would tend to think it was a wild swarm that was almost defunct, but this is strictly a guess on my part.

A depopulated swarm makes sense, but that kind of depopulation is frightening. Absconding bee swarms can consist of a few thousand to half a million insects. And swarming is a pretty "robust" behavior, and a sign of health -- usually.

Unless, of course, the hive was escaping from some threat. But bees are good at defending themselves against nearly all other insects, as well as rodents and other small animals. And most groundskeeping companies warn their employees not to destroy honeybee swarms, since beekeepers will pay well for an absconding mass of bees.

I know we have a few beekeepers here at DU, and hope one or more of them will weigh in.

--p!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:50 AM
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11. Me too, but mine was a little different


...the last I saw of her she was dancing in a field with a bunch of tu-tu wearing folks.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 11:50 AM
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12. Aren't queens sometimes challenged, the old ones driven off
And younger queens installed? I confess I now nothing about bees but it seems to me I saw something along those lines on some nature show once upon a time. The old queen is driven off and is actually attacked and ultimately killed.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 12:02 PM
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14. a honeybee landed on my sweater yesterday.
it looked tired. It wasn't busy. It walked around just below my left shoulder. I walked over to a rose and invited it to eat, but it went to a wall instead.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 10:30 PM
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17. Have a theory...
Maybe it was a queen newly shipped from a bee farm that had somehow gotten away from her container? The containers are small and usually there are a few workers that cling to her cage to feed her in transit.

As a new beekeeper, I was warned to be careful releasing the queen into the hive as she may fly away and be lost... perhaps what you saw was the result of a new beekeepers lack of attention?
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 10:56 AM
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18. Beekeeper, I have a question for you!
I am worried by what I've been reading about the plight of honeybees, and I would like to make my yard bee-friendly (I already see bumblebees, some type of small bees that like my holly trees, and various wasps). I have an acre yard and don't use lawn chemicals or pesticides. I don't know if I am up to the task of setting up an artificial hive, as I would imagine that it involves a lot of work to keep it clean and healthy for the bees, but is there something I could do like planting clover that would attract and nourish honeybees? I seem to remember clover being a favorite of honeybees when I was a kid.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 12:19 PM
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19. I found the answer, but in case others are interested,
here is an excellent list of plants to grow to support bees, as well as some other tips for helping bees:
http://www.bumblebee.org/FlowerlistUS.htm
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-04-07 12:57 PM
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20. Bees love clover - that is a great idea.
Not using pesticides on your lawn is helpful. (There are some great organic lawn products at Gardens Alive out of Indiana if interested:http://www.gardensalive.com/Default.asp?bhcd2=1178301292 ). Here is a link to flowers that bees like: http://nature.berkeley.edu/urbanbeegardens/gbt.html

The bee hive currently used by hobbyists and commercial beekeepers is the Langstroth hive and has been in use since 1853. Prior to that hive, bee skeps were used and required the destruction of the hive to harvest honey.

If you are interested in beekeeping, there maybe a beekeeper group in your county or region that you could contact. I would recommend taking a class or at least talking with a couple of beekeepers already working with hives.
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