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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:10 PM
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What European country produces the most renewable energy???
Edited on Sat May-05-07 12:51 PM by jpak
(it ain't France)

Wind power: top 3 = Germany, Spain, Denmark

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/sectors/wind_energy_en.htm

Photovotaics: top 3 = Germany, Spain, Netherlands

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/sectors/photovoltaic_en.htm

Solar heating and cooling: top 3 = Germany, Austria, Greece

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/sectors/photovoltaic_en.htm

Small hydro: top 3 = Italy, Germany, France

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/sectors/small_hydro_en.htm

Geothermal: top 3 = Italy, Portugal, France

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/sectors/geothermal_energy_en.htm

Biomass

http://ec.europa.eu/energy/res/sectors/bioenergy_en.htm

Biomass electricity: top 3 = Finland. Sweden, Germany

Urban waste electricity: top 3 = Germany, France, Denmark

Primary energy biomass: top 3 = France, Sweden, Germany

FYI

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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:30 PM
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1. Interesting anti-France bias
Based on your post you could have picked Spain (2 mentions) or Italy (2 mentions) to pick on, but you chose the French (4 mentions). France comes in second only to Germany (7 mentions). Why the anti-France post? Did the "Freedom Fries" people get to you?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:34 PM
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2. This is a response to another thread in the E/E forum that claimed France
was the top producer of renewable energy in the EU.

It was a crock.

http://www.acidrain.org/pages/publications/factsheet/factsheet18.htm



Figure 1. The proportion of renewable energy in relation to total energy supply 2003. The EU target for 2010 is 12 per cent (dotted line).
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:59 PM
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6. Nearly identical subject line and artwork ...
Clever trick.

In my neighborhood about three weeks ago, everybody got a flier urging them to vote for "Progressive" candidates, with similar artwork to a real Democratic Primary flier about the candidates for county commissioner. Yep, the "Progressive" candidates were the religious-right candidates. I guess this is in the same vein.

--p!
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 02:01 PM
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7. Yes - but this is the correct/real/true info
The other thread was a steaming heap.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:00 PM
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8. No! The Judean Peoples' Front is!
Wait, wrong quote ...

:(favorite smiley goes here):

--p!
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 03:07 PM
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9. ...
:)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:46 PM
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3. NOVA program on the Sun/Solar Power last week has Germany
ahead of schedule on use of renewables. Supposed to use 20% by 2015(?) but they said on this program that Deutschland is on track to hit 30% by 2020(?) I might be a little off on the dates, but what struck me is that so much of our energy already is renewable.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:41 PM
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4. So, how many exojoules of renewables is that?
???
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 02:55 PM
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12. Chirp, chirp, chirp
All these damn crickets around here......
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:49 PM
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5. France is #2 in EU hydroelectricity production
For 2004...

Norway = 109.3 TWh

France = 64.9 TWh

Sweden = 59.5 TWh
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:27 PM
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10. So, in that case...
...why is Germany the world's 35th largest emitter of CO2 per capita (9.8 tons), whereas France comes in at number 61(6.2 tons)?

Do Germans tend to breathe very heavily? Or does all that Wind and solar add up to fuck all next to their coal plants?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 10:53 PM
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11. You are confusing electricity with energy.
Edited on Sat May-05-07 10:55 PM by NNadir
In France wood is often used for home heating. This is regrettable since wood is such a dirty fuel and the environmentally concious French person should switch to French electricity.

Still 16% of French homes are heated by wood:



http://www2.ademe.fr/servlet/KBaseShow?sort=-1&cid=96&m=3&catid=17779

Happily cleaner and safer nuclear generated electricity now exceeds wood used for French home heating, since wood burning is so filthy.

Since France used 1.65 exajoules to heat homes and 16% came from wood, this is 0.265 exajoules of wood.

Note that I have used units of energy and all of your links rather illiterately mention only power capacity at peak. You really should take a physics class some day and learn the difference between power and energy. A 1 MW turbine produces zero energy if the wind doesn't blow. The amount of energy produced is therefore a function of time, which in the German case is a function of weather.

But then again, if you don't know what you're talking about make stuff up.

It is true that Germany has the most solar and wind toys, for generating electricity but the growth of these industries have not matched Germany's electrical demand. As of 2004, Germany produced 0.14 exajoules of renewable electricity (wind, solar, geothermal but not counting hydro), an amount of energy that was slightly over half of what the French produced for heat using wood:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table17.xls

Renewables aren't doing so well in Germany, not even keeping up with the growth in consumption.

This is why Germany is building, at last count, 26 new coal fired plants:

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/mar2007/gb20070321_923592.htm?chan=globalbiz_europe_more+of+today's+top+stories

I guess their solar and wind toys aren't working out all that well in Germany, since they're in such a mad rush to defy humanity and build coal.

Here is my original post that you say is a lie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x94959

Since the documents in this reference give units of energy, and you give units of peak capacity power, I think readers can easily tell who is misrepresenting things.

If you don't know what you're talking about, make stuff up.
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