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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:11 AM
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Will Venezuela be added to the Axis of Evil?
How long till Chavez's policies of bringing Venezuela's oil wealth to the people ruffles the WH's feathers into action?

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/12.html

"Fortunately for Chavez and his poor majority, good press from America doesn’t seem all that necessary. The former paratrooper seems to have some kind of guardian angel keeping him up there in Miraflores Palace. Time and time again he has emerged victorious despite the half-baked efforts at opposition by Venezuela's industrial and media oligarchs and their “consultants” from U.S. intelligence.

The bottom line fact is Chavez is still the president because the 80 percent poor majority wants it that way, period. The nation’s vastly outnumbered rich kids and tired American spooks like Otto Reich don’t seem to have the juice to displace someone with Chavez’s kind of energy and overwhelming popular support.

Bear in mind, however, that at the rate the U.S. war machine is moving, “intervention” in a future Venezuelan “crisis,” like maybe another coup against Chavez, is definitely not a far-fetched notion.

Another important bottom line to always keep in mind when discussing Venezuela is that black lifeblood of the modern world — oil. Chavez is at the helm of a nation that is one of America’s top suppliers. So, similar to relations with the Middle East, the U.S. government and its Big Oil sponsors have a serious economic stake in Venezuelan politics.

The “sp-oil-s” of President Dubya’s conquest of Iraq, which along with Iran and Saudi Arabia holds the bulk of Earth’s remaining usable oil reserves, may take some of the heat off Chavez for now, but only time will reveal the answer to that kind of speculation game. "

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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:15 AM
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1. the u.s. spook machine grows weaker by the day
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 09:16 AM by el_gato
the whole world is too aware of this game now, and especially latin america

by the way Welcome to DU!
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:17 AM
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2. seems that the World opinion
is "irrelevent". Millions took to the street worldwide to try and halt the Iraq invasion. We saw how much that influenced WH decisions.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:18 AM
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3. Thanks
for the welcome. It's great to be here!
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 11:37 AM
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10. yes but as you know
the little coup failed
people like otto reich seem more like a joke than a threat

nobody will forget pinochet or u.s. support the argentine dirty wars

besides so many resources are being spent in the middle east that it
seems to me the u.s. spook machine has it's hands full

i know they have a green light right now as they did during reaganstein
but they can only do so much


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 12:14 PM
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11. Correct, and they cannot afford another interruption in the oil.
Edited on Thu Jan-08-04 12:15 PM by bemildred
They would not be making all the threats and lies if they
had better tools handy. We would see coup attempts. If Shrub
is re-selected, you may see attempts to punish someone who is
seen as vulnerable.

If someone sane is elected, I expect most of the effort to go
into stopping the hemorrhaging of the US economy. Latin America
will likely be approached on a more friendly basis as part of
that.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 09:57 AM
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4. Not in direct reply to your post, but...
I am glad to see yet another pro chavez/venezuela poster here.

the chavez/venezuela (and lula/brazil) phenomenon has been one of my favorite subjects for some time now. i read everything i find on the subject.

his policies of justice for the poor, education, healthcare, etc, give me hope for the future of the world.

Somee of his most impressive qualities (to me) are those that he lacks:
his lack of desire to repress those who oppose him
his lack of desire to censor the press
his lack of desire to curb freedoms

his desire for openness and debate of ideas are a breath of fresh air in a region of the world where repression, censorship, and vote-fraud are the norm.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:02 AM
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5. I agree completely
it seems so ironic that in a country of such natural wealth that so little gets to the people. These people don't have the lives of the Kuwaitis. They're dirt poor. So Chavez tries to lift up his people. He listens and helps. Then America with its much touted values of Democracy and Freedom sends the CIA to make sure that its own oil interests trump that of the people who are truly trying to be democratic. I hate the hypocrisy of it all.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:06 AM
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6. Another welcome!
From another Chavez supporter.

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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:10 AM
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7. Hi there
good to be here. Have you seen "the Revolution Will not be Televised"?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:12 AM
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8. the entire situation in south america...
is what "opened my eyes" to the true intent of our country.

i dont remember exactly when, but during the iran/contra era, a light went on in my head. EVERYTHING we do there is for corporations. NOTHING we do there has ANYTHING to do with democracy, freedom, justice. i have a difficult time explaining the breadth of the injustice of U.S. involvement there, in fact i have a hard time getting my head around it as well. and then i have to realize that the same is the case world-wide, not just in south america.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 10:18 AM
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9. Argentina is bankrupt
the Brazilians hate us. Columbia is a HUGE mess. Guatemala is still wounded. The list goes on and on. Now bush wants to let people come here to "legally" work for slave wages. What are we doing?
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