It was a personal judgement--- right or wrong

[shatoga]

My threatened by the local Klan topic:

A new "white" neighbor had rented the house next door.
They loved the river;
they liked being so close to shopping and other city features.
At the end of the day, when neighbors came home from work;
they were apalled to see blacks lived across the street.

Other 'white' neighbors told them to speak to me, as I was friendly with the non-white neighbors.

I dissapointed my new neighbors by not joining in their desire to make this an 'all-white' neighborhood.

Then a friend of my neighbor threatened me, in my own yard.

during
Several following days and nights,
I stood beside my neighbors;
armed (legally carrying a concealed weapon)
as the threatened cleansing was aborted and spent many sleepless nights with a gun clipped to my pajamas.

Just learned all the above because my neighbor got seperated from his family and both sides told me the details to enlist my support.

My support goes to the local police who risk their lives to keep the peace.

I'm wearing a gun in my waistband as I type this.
Not out of fear.
Out of habit.
Wallet with concealed Carry permit in pocket.

Trouble?
I call the police.
Angry at someone? I call a lawyer!

America is a nation of laws.
Regardless of personal beliefs and personal interpretations;
I believe we must all abide by and obey the law.

My judgement may have been wrong to some/ right to others.

Nobody got hurt!
No laws were broken!
Local Police were made aware of the situation;
(via contacts with other {state and federal} police agencies when I worried how pervasive the Klan might be in my local PD)

Outcome?
Law abiding citizens; acting in co-operation with Police agencies,
prevented violence,
jailed a couple of miscreants, and lawsuits against local bigots with badges are currently being pursued.
We americans, law-abiding citizens and officers of the law cooperated.
Preserved the peace.
And respect for the law continues.

To me that was a "win-win" situation.

[DarkPhenyx]

1. As long as you have the permit...

...and are properly trained in the use of your weapon I have no issue with your carrying it when you felt there was a need. Particularly sicne oyu seem to have been dealing with some potentially irrational individuals.

[shatoga]

2. agreed- the law must be obeyed- and so it was- thanks for reply

Posted by DarkPhenyx:
"As long as you have the permit..."

Permit proves I have obeyed the laws and am judged law abiding enough to be trusted with a hangun.

Posted by DarkPhenyx:
>and are properly trained in the use of your weapon<

To me, it's more important that CCW holders be properly trained in when to NOT use the weapon.

I appreciate your response.

So you can become better informed.

The topic over which so many already hate me:
(which I couldn't find before starting this one)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=1558

[MrBenchley]

3. Watch out everybody

the Waco Kid's in town!

[shatoga]

4. & so are the bounty hunters

My simple truths constantly opposed by zealots who either hate me or what ai post.
and it makes me wonder why?


The "why" we all hope is not so:
>The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
>the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, has invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.<

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001023.html
www.gopteamleader.com



Please read the whole topic before responding.
Please?

[MrBenchley]

5. I'm laughing WAY too hard to hate you....

By the way...

"The "why" we all hope is not so:
>The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
>the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, has invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.<"
Chances are that they'd post messages SUPPORTING Republican causes...like the RKBA horseshit John AshKKKroft and Orrinn Hatch are pushing..

[shatoga]

6. Half of the truth = half truth/ do we agree?

Posted by MrBenchley:
>>the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, has invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.<"
Chances are that they'd post messages SUPPORTING Republican causes...<

Like keeping Democrats at each others' throats over what should be a "pro-choice" issue!

Pro-choice on womens' "'right to choose' for themselves"
Pro-choice on everyones' "'right to keep and bear arms' as law abiding citizens"


Pro-choice means Democrats unite and win.

Internal squabbles
which serve
only the interests of the Republican National Committee and their minions: Bivings et-al;
>The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<

To keep 'democrats at each others' throats instead of united to defeat Bush, and restore constitutional government to America.

My motives are crystal clear.*1
What agendas do my critics follow?*2

*1. Honor my oath of enlistment and "uphold and defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foriegn and domestic."
(=oppose Republicans' divide and rule tactics)

*2. Why do my critics follow me from topic to topic?
Have they nothing else to do with their lives?

People with no personal histories, & no backgrounds post personal attacks.
I often wonder why they cannot even attempt to dispute the thesis, but instead;
Constantly engage instead in AdHomineum(personal attacks), diversions off topic and picking at details instead of disputing the thesis.

BTW/nothing personal to anyone/ just a general plea/
keep those PM'd threats and dire warning PM's coming in.
It convinces me:
Bivings/RNC is well served.
And I am correct in my assessment.

[MrBenchley]

7. What a steaming pantload....

"Internal squabbles which serve only the interests of the Republican National Committee"
Just so we're clear.....opposing what the Republicans want serves the interests of the RNC, but knuckling under to what one of their shrillest and most extreme special interest groups wants, does not....ho kay. I guess that's what passes for RKBA "logic."

[shatoga]

8. Democrats at other Democrats' throats serves the RNC

Just like the klan pitted whites without conscience nor morals
against whites with conscience and morals.

divide and rule!

It's the Republican way.

Pro-choice-
each of us making our own decisions, while letting others decide for themselves-
it's the Democratic way.


Question to all who consider themselves Democrats:
Do you wish to impose your own beliefs on all others?
If so how can you claim to oppose the rightwing police state?

Question to all who seek to impose their own beliefs on all others.
why are you not registered Republican?

Question to my critics who follow me from topic to topic.
Why the obsession with me?

I can give the answer my neighbor's klan buddy gave me.
"You stand up in front of God and everybody and say what you believe. We have to stop you."

[MrBenchley]

10. Gee, you mean like

the ones who peddle the same RKBA propaganda as the GOP is pushing?

"Just like the klan"
You mean the groiup that hands its literature out at so many gun shows?

"My favorite part of the gun show actually had nothing to do with guns. One booth had dozens of bumper stickers with various racist and sexist epithets that even I didn’t think were funny. Two of them stuck out, however. One read, “I have a dream” and had a Confederate flag flying over the White House; the real jewel, though, was one that read, “The Original Boyz in the Hood,” with a picture of three hooded Ku Klux Klan members.
So let’s review: this guy is anti-King, pro-Klan and pro-slavery. Lovely."

http://www.californiaaggie.com/_articles/5974.taf

"Question to all who consider themselves Democrats:
Do you wish to impose your own beliefs on all others?"
Not me...I just think we ought to deal in facts instead of half-assed Chuck Norris type fantasies.

"why are you not registered Republican?"
For one thing, I'm for gun control, public safety, and sanity. I believe in what the Second Amendment actually says, as opposed to the lies John AshKKKroft is peddling.

"Why the obsession with me?"
I wouldn't term it an obsession...it's more like sideshow-type fun.

[acerbic]

9. Hello, moderators and admins!

BTW/nothing personal to anyone/ just a general plea/
keep those PM'd threats and dire warning PM's coming in.

Here's a poor oppressed DUer getting PM'd threats from somebody and he is just too shy and scared to tell you about it directly or name those who are sending the threats. He doesn't want to cause any trouble but only vaguely hints and insinuates at who's engaging in such pretty serious (in message board scale) harassment but I'm not afraid: I demand that you take a look at the threats against this individual and make them stop!

[MrBenchley]

11. They must be some serious threats

considering how often he bravely swaps shots with the Klan and other evil-doers...

[shatoga]

12. My thanks to rapid response team

Without youse guys.
I might seen paranoid.

With your constant hounding I'm obviously just well informed.

How you turn this topic into another personal attack thread.
Typical.

What is that overwhelming fear that incites constant personal attacks?

Fear of someone who merely wants Democrats to think for themselves on this issue and stop trying to impose their beliefs on others?

Why such a fear and loathing of pro-choice on the gun issue?


Has anyone ever read my "Web of Deceit" analysis?

Will these constant personal attacks cause anyone to do so?

Notice:
I carefully vett edit and re-edit every post while re-reading (again) the rules.
and always follow them religiously!

Last;
Sorry I cannot forever keep responding to trolls.
Thank God for the "ignore" list.

[MrBenchley]

13. Holy shit!

You mean razzing is the "dire personal threat" you've been moaning about?

"with your wonstand hounding I'm just well informed."
Must....resist...temptation.....whew!

"How you turn this topic into another personal attack thread."
Weren't you fighting off the Klan with your guns in post #1?

"Fear of someone who merely wants Democrats to think for themselves"
Someone who thinks for themselves might wonder why there are so many internal contradictions and peculiarities in your tales of personal heroism...

"Has anyone ever read my "Web of Deceit" analysis?"
You mean the ones where the GOP puts paid shills on websites to pretend to be ordinary people pushing GOP issues like "gun rights" and "anti-environmentalism"?

[shatoga]

14. not holy but yes * thank you MrBenchley

Posted by me:
"Has anyone ever read my "Web of Deceit" analysis?"

Posted by MrBenchley
>You mean the ones where the GOP puts paid shills on websites to pretend to be ordinary people pushing GOP issues like..<"

Keeping Democrats at each others' throats on any issue, so Republicans can march to the polls and win again and again!

Posted by MrBenchley
>You mean the ones where the GOP puts paid shills on websites to pretend to be ordinary people pushing GOP issues like..<"

Keeping democrats divided on what should rightly be a "pro-choice" issue.

Posted by MrBenchley
>You mean the ones where the GOP puts paid shills on websites to pretend to be ordinary people pushing GOP issues like..<"

Keeping the RNC agenda healthy by infecting Democratic venues with dissension and distrust?

Yes!
Posted by MrBenchley
>You mean the ones where the GOP puts paid shills on websites to pretend to be ordinary people pushing GOP issues.."
YES!

Absolutely!
Thank you!- MrBenchley
You are such a master of the art of parody!
(I bow to your expertise)
So intelligent of you to not only point it out, but to illustrate it in posts; (so we may all figure out what you seem to understand & illustrate intuitively)
Thank you!
MrBenchley
Both for the assistance and the blatent illustrations to assist us slow learners.

Again.
MrBenchley, thank you!


May we never again assume that, all members who post, are real people without any hidden agendas.
Thank you;
MrBenchley!
I'm so glad you read my "web of Deceit" topic and decided to help convince us all, here, that it is both real and ongoing.
Thank you!

Your assistance is appreciated, as ever.

All agreements will be honored.

[MrBenchley]

15. Paid shills pushing GOP issues like "gun rights"

"Keeping democrats divided on what should rightly be a "pro-choice" issue."
Only if one thinks a gun fetish is equivalent to people's sex lives and parenting...

"May we never again assume that, all members who post, are real people without any hidden agendas."
<sarcasm>That's right, the ones actually pimping GOP issues are really the Democrats, whereas those reflecting, oh, let's say the positions in the party platform are secret agents hired by the Republicans</sarcasm>...

I suppose that is RKBA "logic." No wonder they think Mary Rosh is really a scientist.

[shatoga]

16. agreed/ I'll also keep your pet topics alive too!

That you join the others in 'the agreement' is gratifying.

'We keep each others' topics alive' via replies,
in hopes that nobody notices we are juggling it between ourselves.

Ahh... the good old days when I was also a Team Leader.

Nobody is really reading these
So nobody will notice it's all the three stooges and myself playing off each other.
(yuk, yuk, yuk)
Someday youse may also wake up and find you have become real boys, like Pinocchio did.


till then..
Thanks for honoring our agreement.

[MrBenchley]

17. What the hell are you wabbling about now?

[shatoga]

18. out of the closet hurts?

Arguing issues in such manner as to benefit the RNC's "divide the Democrats and win, again"

IMHO

Causes all of us to lose,
as Republicans again set us at each others' throats;

So they can again unite and win.

Why would any Democrat seek to impose their' views on others by force of law?

That's against everything Democrats stand for:
Freedom of the individual to make thier own decisions.

Disarming law abiding citizens can only serve a right wing police state.
Else:
what is wrong with law abiding citizens being lawfully armed?

Law abiding citizens are, by definition, no threat to anyone else.

Why then seek to disarm law abiding citizens?
RepublicanNationalCommittee only knows.

Or;
You could relay insider information to the rest of us.


As I have
about the RNC/Bivings plans to have PRfirms: employees'
overwhelm the internet in favor of the RNC on all forums and in all topics.

Divide the Democrats, as Republicans put victory over principle, and unite for a second term for dubya!

Thanks to active Republicans (working to unite and win) and active
"Democrats" (working to divide and lose).

why?
Answer:


Why does anyone seek to divide Democrats so that Republicans may win?

HMMM!
In 1992 I was ordered to register as a Democrat in order to run:
"Democrats For (a right wing Republican Senator) and help him defeat a strong Democratic challenger.

Anyone arguing to benefit Bush, by dividing Democrats;
What's your excuse?

[MrBenchley]

19. Say what?

"Why would any Democrat seek to impose their' views on others by force of law?"
You mean like with anti-discrimination laws? You mean like by enforcing RICO laws against the right wing gangs that harass womens' health clinics?

"what is wrong with law abiding citizens being lawfully armed?"
Yeah, that';s why there's all this opposition to background checks at gun shows and the struggle to put assault weapons on the street.....who the hell are you trying to kid?

"As I have
about the RNC/Bivings plans to have PRfirms: employees'
overwhelm the internet in favor of the RNC on all forums and in all topics."
Like the gun rights lies that the RNC openly peddles.

"Divide the Democrats, as Republicans put victory over principle"
Again, so we're supposed to suck up to the GOP's most extreme, dangerous and fanatic fringe group so that we can win...and this is supposed to be principle?

"Anyone arguing to benefit Bush"
You mean like supporting his idiotic position on guns?

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