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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 08:52 AM
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Armed Loonies to March in Ohio
Too funny...

"A group plans to walk neighborhood streets with their guns in the open in hopes of hurrying a decision from the Ohio Supreme Court on whether to overturn the state's ban on carrying concealed weapons.
One of the people who first sued to overturn the ban three years ago is organizing the "Gun Walk'' scheduled for Sunday in the city's Northside neighborhood.
Ferrier, 62, said the march will demonstrate that it's legal to carry a weapon in the open -- but the practice is ridiculous.
"I'd like for that 80-year-old woman walking down the street to be able to have a gun in her purse,'' Ferrier said. "It doesn't work the same if she's got it out where someone can see it.'' "

http://libpub.dispatch.com/cgi-bin/documentv1?DBLIST=cd03&DOCNUM=41441&TERMV=230:9:430:9:31113:9

Say what? It won't shoot people?
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LibLabUK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 08:58 AM
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1. Ummm I don't understand...
If the possibility that a potential victim has a gun is such a deterrent to criminals, then surely having it on display in the open is an even bigger deterrent?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 09:02 AM
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2. Wonder if they're admitting what everyone else knows
that the "study" that showed concealed guns deterred crime was pseudoscientific nonsense cobbled together by a right wing crackpot hired by the gun industry.

I suspect that they're admitting that most sane people don't feel comforted by the thought of armed neurotics roaming the streets....but that when the guns are concealed they can get away with it...
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 04:05 PM
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6. Yes and no.
Its a bigger deterrent to some criminals, but for the more aggressive ones it paints a bulleyes on your back.

But the bigger problem is the ninnies who freak at the sight of a gun and all the police.

It is simply impossible to carry a gun openly in Ohio without being subject to constant harrassment, and arrest for disturbing the peace.

This march might be close to where I live, Perhaps I'll join it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 04:10 PM
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7. Why is that do you suppose?
"It is simply impossible to carry a gun openly in Ohio without being subject to constant harrassment, and arrest for disturbing the peace.
This march might be close to where I live, Perhaps I'll join it."
Be sure and wave your gun around and shout at bystanders how safe they are....
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 01:55 PM
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10. yeah
Unless youre a slow and weak 80 year old lady.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 05:12 PM
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11. Gee
So do you think any of these mythical criminals are going to be polite enough to wait while this "slow and weak 80 year old lady" fishes her gun out of her handbag or out from under her garter?
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 02:33 PM
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12. I have a better idea
we should all walk around with loaded guns in hand. Then them criminals will stay put.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:09 PM
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14. Well...that would probably cut down...
on purse snatchings, don't you think?

the problem is, where would you put your cigarette?

;-)
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 09:05 AM
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3. If your going to post a news story ...
The subject is supposed to be the headline, not your opinion.

Correct subject: PROTESTERS IN CINCINNATI TO CARRY GUNS OPENLY
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 09:06 AM
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4. That's a Requirement on the LBN Board
Not here.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 09:11 AM
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5. Only in LBN
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LastDemInIdaho Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:32 PM
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8. You are wrong benchy
I'll leave as an exercize for you to figure out the forum you missed.

I guess accuracy is not an anti-RKBA supporter trait.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:51 AM
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9. I'll just keep pointing out how many loonies love guns
and ignore your "exercize."
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 02:35 PM
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13. finally, finally, FINALLY
a NRAite who brings logical discussion to the dungeon. It's about time. "I guess accuracy is not an anti-RKBA supporter trait." Sounds like you got that one right out of Tom DeLay's play book.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:12 AM
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15. when my brother-in-law's eighty four old mother was
eighty she was showing signs of dementia and had a hard time remembering why she was even at a store. The idea of her with a handgun would have been ludicrous...she wouldn't have even remembered that she had it. A lot of older people, not all, have diminished reflexes, so they would have to be quick-draw mcgraw in order to scare the criminal.

I also think if it this way... should I kill someone just because they want my purse??? Are the contents of my purse worth a human life?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:17 AM
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16. Hell, the gun "enthusiasts" down here
were advocating arming the BLIND a little while ago (Oh yes they were).
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MIddle Man Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:14 PM
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18. I am OK with that.......
But they should be given flashlights too. Preferably Surefire, they are the best tactical lights around.

By the way did crime go up, down or stay the same the night of the march? Sounds like the guy with the squirt gun was asking for it. So technically if he had been shot crime would have gone up.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:23 AM
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17. Loonies March As Advertised
"In a scene reminiscent of the Wild West, about 75 people paraded through Northside with handguns strapped to their sides Sunday.
There was heckling, however, from a half-dozen counter-protesters, some of whom carried plastic "Super Soaker" water guns and walked alongside demonstrators packing real guns in their holsters.
Anti-gun protester Jacob Hand of Walnut Hills, who taunted marchers with his "Super Soaker" water gun and carried a sign that stated, "Parking violators will be shot," complained that Ferrier got angry with him for taking a public parking spot in front of Ferrier's house.
"I'd rather not have people like him packing heat," said Hand. "Guns don't make me feel safer. They make me uncomfortable. These people are violating my right to feel comfortable."
Nick Nienaber, who lives across the street from Ferrier, carried a sign that stated, "No more guns, no matter who's concealing them." "

http://www.cincypost.com/2003/09/29/guns092903.html

Telling that the guy's neighbors don't trust him with guns.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:33 PM
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19. It'd be a shame...
...to get some neighbor's knickers in a bunch.

"They make me uncomfortable. These people are violating my right to feel comfortable."

That's the best they could come up with "Ooooh, I don't feel comfortable". Well tough shit buddy!


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MIddle Man Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:26 PM
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20. Hey man..
Your tone is scarry. Cool it dude..
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 01:07 AM
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21. Which Amendment...
contains the right to feel comfortable? Probably the same one that contains the right not to be offended.... ;-)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:29 AM
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22. Even more of a shame
when you're known as the neighborhood gun loony......

The neighbors sure don't feel this asshole made them safer in any way, do they?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 07:36 AM
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23. Depends where you live
In my neighbood you would be considered a looney if you didn't own any firearms.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:27 AM
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24. Geeze, where's that?
Beirut?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:41 AM
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25. Alabama and Tn border
My neighborhood bit out in the sticks, the road is a circle about 3.5 mile around and about 15 houses. Not uncommon to here people sighting in their hunting rifles, exp this time of year, you can also walk around with a rifle and shotgun without everyone getting their painties in a bunch.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:42 AM
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26. Let us know when civilization arrives....
"you can also walk around with a rifle and shotgun without everyone getting their painties in a bunch"
Ain't that cute....wheee-doggies.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:48 AM
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27. It is civilized here
People wave at you when they drive by, no houses being broke into, nobody getting shot. I like my neighborhood.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:13 AM
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30. And yet you have to go around armed to the teeth?
Gee, I lived in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, went to school at CUNY in upper Manhattan, and worked in Hell's Kitchen for years....and I never felt like I needed to pack a gun. But there you guys are in peaceful East Jesus, and you need a concealed handgun to survive?

Weird....
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:19 AM
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33. You couldnt legally pack a gun in NYC
so you didnt have a choice if you had felt the need. I have a permit to carry and almost never do, choices are nice.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:27 AM
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35. Why the hell would I want to?
"choices are nice"
So is not having the streets filled with armed loonies and criminals.
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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:30 AM
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37. that explains it
maybe if you left the tri-state area, and actually met some other people besides the urban-beehive-dwelling mouth breathers who clog the sidewalks around there, you would realize that the US is NOT made up of "neurotics" and wack-jobs. People you might actually trust to live their own lives without bothering yours.

Experience is a great thing.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:34 AM
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38. Thanks
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:40 AM
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41. Gee, I actually live in a semi-rural area now...
"you would realize that the US is NOT made up of "neurotics" and wack-jobs."
Maybe not....but the RKBA crowd sure seems to be.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:51 AM
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44. Just wondering
If you think that all RKBA folks are loonies and wack-jobs and want to arm criminals, wouldnt that make you the neurotic?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:21 AM
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45. Gee, consider the evidence at hand, dems
The RKBA crowd was trying to argue that arming the blind was a good idea not that long ago.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:50 AM
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28. It ain't arrived in Michigan either...
...I've had work asssignments take me out to the rural areas during small game season here. I saw guys walking down a wooded road carrying shotguns and then I saw a school bus approaching. I thought to myself 'this'll be interesting'. I expected the bus driver to freak out or something. The only nteresting thing that happened was everyone waved at each other as the bus passed them and went on it's way.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 08:55 AM
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29. Strange aint it
Places where people can walk around with guns and nobody cares are much more friendly and have much lower crime then the places with the tightest guncontrol.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:16 AM
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32. Even stranger.....
"Places that are much more friendly and have much lower crime" are the home of people who howl that they MUST pack a gun every minute of the day, even if it endangers people where there are sidewalks.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:21 AM
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34. Even stranger are people
that make assumptions about places they never been to.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:29 AM
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36. Gee, I'm not the one claiming to live in Happy Yokeland
and claiming I needed to be armed.

"Even stranger are peoplethat make assumptions about places they never been to. "
You mean like those RKBA "enthusiasts" here screaming that NYC and DC ought to arm its nutcases?
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:36 AM
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40. Point out the person who said that...
...we should arm nutcases.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:43 AM
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42. Gee, roe...
Who is that fighting hard for those laws that say everyone who applies ought to be issued a concealed carry permit forthwith (unless a desperate reason not to can be found)? Why, it's the RKBA crowd.

As typified by this guy whose neighbors think he's a dangerous loon.
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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:35 AM
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39. how's that?
"even if it endangers people where there are sidewalks."

What does that mean?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:45 AM
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43. You really got problems figuring that out?
Maybe you ought to ask a "urban-beehive-dwelling mouth breather".....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:14 AM
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31. Wow...
Vermin is that plentiful and rapacious there that pedestrians must go armed? Or do they just shoot at any rustling in the weeds?
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:27 PM
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46. We keep hearing that "gun control" is the goal, and not a total ban, but..
it seems that some people support the total baning of firearms use by individuals.

MrBenchley is against concealed carry and against carrying openly.
He is against hunting, and against using firearms for self protection.
He is against firearms in the home, and against carrying firearms outside the home. What your are against leaves nothing remaining.
So how can you claim to not favor a total ban?

MrBenchley, if you are really not in favor of a total ban on firearms use by individuals, can you tell me under what circumstances you would support individuals owning firearms?

I've only been visiting this site for a couple of months, so maybe I haven't seen your position in full.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:14 PM
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47. Gee, hans, nice of you to ask....
I find it funny as hell that these people who claim to live in happy peaceful Yokelville ALSO claim they have to tote guns every moment of the day and night.

I find it funny as hell that the nutcase screaming here for a concealed weapon to make his neighborhood "safer" is considered by his neighbors to be a public menace.

I find it funny as hell that the RKBA crowd shouts for such preposterous causes as guns for the blind.

I find it funny as hell that the RKBA crowd here regularly trots out the views of racist idiots like Larry Pratt and Ted Nugent, and intersperses them with claims that others are racist.

I find it funny as hell that the RKBA crowd keeps trying to pretend that the most repressive administration in American history, which was wadded into office with the help of the corrupt gun industry and the gun rights crowd, and that has bent over backward in every way for guns, is somehow "for gun control."
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:03 AM
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48. I find it sad that you are not capable of answering a simple
question.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:21 AM
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49. Gee, dems
That's so touching.
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fromthehip Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:48 AM
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50. I was there
Hi, I was there. The Police surveyed were for concealed carry, and supported the walk. The Black Panthers were for concealed carry, and supported the walk. Unfortunately for the protestors, they got negative coverage on the TV. That was due to the actions of two of the protestors. They were squirting the TV newsies with their water guns and sticking their water guns in the faces of the TV people.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 12:04 PM
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51. Uh-huh...
Lots of Black Panthers there, eh? (snicker)
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fromthehip Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 12:16 PM
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52. Not too many
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 12:19 PM by fromthehip
Only two...probably thats a large portion of all of them in Cincinnati. There was one man, one woman. Both had the berets on, and were quite vocal. They were especially pissed when they learned that the 1859 law banning concealed carry was aimed at blacks. Back then, the law was only enforced against Blacks and Hispanics.
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