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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:40 PM
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Gun Control advocates, are their own worst enemy

I have been closely watching the gun control debate, on a national and local level, since the issue got hot in the early 1990's

Since that time, trends have made themselves evident. I have noticed that since 1994, in most states, when ever there has “been a call for more gun control” the OPPISITE HAPPENS.

Gun Control, for the most part ONLY, has support in many Northeastern states, California, and Illinois, everywhere else, since the early 1990's Gun Rights supporters have been not only winning the battles against more strident gun control laws, BUT they have been winning the war, by getting many pro-gun laws passed in their places..

For example, look at how widespread Concealed Carry laws are getting now, in the early 1990's their was only a couple of states that had “shall issue”, now, the vast majority have passed CCW legislation. Now Castle Doctrine laws are making their ways thru many states, 15 states have it right now, and at least 5 more are in the process of passing such laws this year.

After the VT massacre, in Virginia, many gun control groups became resurgent, even with the press trying to give these groups legitimacy even when they exploit the families of the fallen, and not report on the outright lies that their arguments are based on (remember the Blood will run in the streets, road rage death and destructing, shoot first ask questions later...etc..etc...etc. BS, and other assorted falsehoods perpetrated by the Repuke run Brady Bunch)

Not only have the Anti-Gunners failed in the vast majority of the nation with their aims, but they have time and time again, brought down the politicians that support them, for example Repuke Jeannemarie Devolites Davis, was trying desperately to hold onto her seat from Democrat Chap Peterson

Than here came Mike Bloomberg, and his endorsement...based on her support for Gun Control...And BOY, are they proud of themselves, but now....Repuke Mrs Davis, is OUT of office, replaced by a pro gun Democrat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hobf91i7IHY

Bloomberg gave her the kiss of death.

Really nothing new here, just another politician going down in flames for taking a position AGAINST the Bill of Rights. This has been happening over and over, in MOST of the nation, since 1994.

The point being, the HARDER the gun control groups push, the more they lose.

After all the protesting they did in Virginia, all the media attention, there “pet legislation” did not even get past the FIRST votes. Now, several PRO gun bills are working their ways thru the Virginia legislature in their places, theses bills, are ALL, finding widespread support, and are going thru the channels, most look likely to become law..

All the press coverage did, was to light a fire under the strong, and political active pro gun majority in this state, who went to Richmond, who wrote letters, who wrote LTE's...Who visited their legislators.

Also keep in mind that Virginia, has a Democratic Governor, and Democrats CONTROL Both houses in the legislator.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:53 PM
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1. So what's yer point - we have more to fear from authoritarian repugs
tryin to take away our guns than wussy dems? If so I agree. But somebody fuckin with my rights under the 2nd amendment is the last thing I really worry about. I have a fairly sizeable collection of firearms (probably more than I need since I rarely hunt anymore) and I'd have to say I have not lost a minutes sleep worrying about any politician trying to take them away.

I've lived in California for most of my life and I cannot recall any organized attempt to pass any law that would subvert the 2nd amendment. I read the NRA bullshit frequently and as far as I'm concerned it's a fuckin joke.

I have a lot more important shit to worry about than some dipshit politician takin away my guns. Like takin away my tax money to start a stupid war in Iraq so that bush can feel like he actually has male genitalia.

If indeed attempts to pass gun control laws have the opposite effect then good, I'm all for it.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:04 PM
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2. I agree..but is sucks to constantly need to fight a...
Rear Guard Action, especially from those who purport to be in full favor of the Bill of Rights.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:58 PM
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5. You're correct, it does but right now there are other parts of that
Bill of rights that are in more danger than the 2nd amendment. There's that "unreasonable search and seizure" thing that nobody seems to give a rats ass about. which could, down the road have a kinda negative effect on the right to keep and bear arms.

Just tryin to keep it all in perspective.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:41 PM
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17. Ultimately, the BushCo far right who has the power to ban guns.
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 04:43 PM by SteveM
So, you're right about not worrying if guns are taken away by "wussy dems." Unfortunately, since the anti-gun interest groups have been smashed down and Democrats walk about like zombies, floating the same doomed bills, the push for gun control will increasingly come form the authoritarian far right. And Democrats who have a different point of view from the gun controllers will have to pay the price. Remember: when a gun-controlling Democrat confidently pushes down the plunger of gun control in Illinois, some Democratic candidate in the South or mountain states blows up.

Error: this should be posted above.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 12:52 PM
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19. That is in important point..
The more gun control, gets talked about on the national news, the more California, New york and Chicago politicians make an NATIONAL ISSUE out of it..

We ALWAYS, take a beating in the polls, I often wonder, just how many lost their seats around the nation, when Charles Schumer said;

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We're going to beat guns into submission!" - November 30, 1993

Yea, If I remember correctly, we Democrats got beaten into submission for about 12 years after that comment was made.


Mr Schumer has not learned, here is a video, where is is Repuke, Micheal Bloomberg's right hand man....fast forward to 1;35...

That is where he compared gun OWNERS to TERRORISTS....

http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2006a/media/pc051606-dc300k.asx

Good thing, these comments did not get played on the nightly news.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:05 PM
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3. Thank God the Lemming-like resistance to sensible gun laws has led to an obvious decline
..in gun violence across America.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:56 PM
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6. what are
sensible gun laws?
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:07 PM
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8. are sensible gun laws
laws like assault weapon bans- which bans guns that are used in under 5% of violent crimes and are not even in the top 20 of gun traces done by the ATF?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:56 PM
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10. And thank God lemming-like acceptance to "sensible" gun laws...
has lead to an obvious decrease in murder across Britain.

Man, that 1989 ban on assault weapons and the 1998 ban on handguns really helped, didn't it?





Oh, and just for shits and giggles...









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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:04 AM
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11. Hey krispos!
Edited on Sun Feb-03-08 12:05 AM by virginia mountainman
Didn't you notice, that Villager, ACKNOWLEDGED that, resistance to "sensible" gun laws ARE responsible for the drops in violent crime??

LOL even if it was rolled up with an insult, but the acknowledgement of fact was their!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:49 AM
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12. Oh, I'm sure it was dripping with sarcasm...
even though it needn't be, because it was true!!! :-)
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:58 AM
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13. Exactly my friend!
:hi:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:58 PM
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4. I don't know what "gun control" is anymore. Too many questions: should anyone be
allowed to carry them around? (I mean anyone, regardless of age, mental condition- to restrict them would be "gun control") What are "arms"- weapons? Weapons are big and small - rifles, pistols, knives, bombs, missiles, rocket launchers included. All I know is if people want them they will get them. Laws don't work. America has a gun culture and it won't be changed with more laws.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:06 PM
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7. very good question
i believe gun control is whatever the individual wants it to be (or the elected official in our case). there is so much confusion, to the point where our elected officials attempt to pass bills which make no sense. For example, they are trying to pass something here in NY that requires that you take a gun safety course before you get a license to own a long gun- but there is no such thing as a license to own a long gun in NY, its only a NICS check.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 08:54 AM
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14. To me the "NICS check" sounds like "gun control". I passed on a 60 year old .22
(single shot would you believe it)to the old man who carved the stock by hand originally. I know it never had a NICS check, but I checked the sights pretty often before going after varmints.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:17 PM
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9. I would bet..
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 10:38 PM by virginia mountainman
That 95% of those advocating an Assault Weapon ban, cannot even define what an "assault weapon" really is.

Extra credit will be given, if the respondent can explain "Who" came up with WHAT definition......

People should, at least KNOW what they are trying to ban, when they TRY to ban them.

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Ztarbod Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 12:32 PM
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15. Morally correct
Gun control advocates are on the moral high ground, so they are obligated to use lies an other forms of deception to convince others. Unfortunately, this destroys their credibility and takes the ground out from under their feet.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 01:00 PM
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16. Gun gabbers on "moral high ground"! What's moral about wanting to disarm law-abiding citizens and
leave them unable to defend themselves against criminals?

You know or should know that SCOTUS says government is not obligate to defend a person unless she or he is in custody, therefore self-defense is a personal responsibility.

Perhaps you meant to say gun-grabbers on their moral high horse. :shrug:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 04:48 PM
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18. Essence of prohibitionism: my morals are more moral than your morals.
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