Should teachers be armed like pilots?

[mac2]

If teachers were armed wouldn't they have the ability to prevent death by "mentally ill" persons? If less shootings occurred there might be less "copy cat" incidents?

A metal detector might or might not stop them. In the building yes...outside no.

Too many shootings have occurred since Bush stole power. I wonder in the end if it is as they say. Can't help it because the stories never fit. The shooter is always mentally ill but his family and friends say they were mild mannered. In the end they shoot themselves. Dead man tell no tales?

The fear mongering by the media is over the top. Close down a whole town from a shooting? Send in the helicopters to spread fear?

Tear down the building on campus where the shooting occurred? Buildings don't kill. Here in the poor areas of the city that happens almost daily. A security guard was shot outside the Capital building in Springfield,IL. They didn't tear down that building.

They want to remove our guns for military rule?

Doubter of everything Bush. Constant chaos and fear for power.

[Lasher]

1. Yes, at the teacher's option.

Teachers are just as reliable, on average, as the typical policeman. And the cops pack their hoglegs when they go into a school or anywhere else.

[mac2]

8. I worked in the ICU during Attica prison uprising

and I can tell you the National Guard and the police can be finger happy. The media fear mongering about what was happening inside the jail was a lie.

Prisoners who were up for parole were shot and died.

That was a incident I still don't understand even today. Gov. David Rockefeller (R-NY) refused to meet with the prisoners about their complaints. It spun out of control.

[sepulveda]

17. i concur

and i've been on high school campuses dozens of times with my gun

haven't shot anybody yet

[Lasher]

21. Is that legal in your state? n/t

[sepulveda]

22. for me it is n./t

[leftofcool]

2. As a retired teacher..........

I find this to be one of the most asinine posts I have ever seen. If you could, preferable in complete sentences, please explain what arming classroom teachers has to do with A: The Constitution and or B: The current election process.

Left of Cool

[mac2]

3. Your answer is no?

[Donnachaidh]

4. HELL no!

You also need to factor in the *nuts* who are teaching our kids. My kid has had at least one emotionally disturbed teacher for each grade for the past 5 years. These teachers are protected by unions, who do nothing to weed out the nutcases. He has one right now, and I'm always concerned when the phone rings.

Arming teachers has got to be the dopiest idea tossed out yet. MY OPINION.

[mac2]

6. Troubled teachers? Can't you change schools?

Go to the school board and ask they do something?

Sorry you have such a bad school. My teachers were of all personalities but none would harm a student.

[Turbo Teg]

14. I don't think they should be forced to

be armed, just let the ones who have a CCW carry thier weapons while at school.

[krispos42]

23. Yet there is nothing right now, except an aluminum sign bolted to a steel post...

that is keeping this "nutcase" teacher from carrying a gun into the school and opening up with a gun.


The issue proposed is not making carrying a gun mandatory for all teachers, it is allowing those that already have a concealed pistol permit to continue to carry when they enter school grounds.

[bowens43]

5. no. of course not.

Only a fool would believe that the way to decrease gun violence is to increase the number of people carrying guns.

[mac2]

7. States that allow people to carry guns haven't seen

more death or shootings.

[Turbo Teg]

9. I don't think

that we should force teachers to be armed, or anything like that, but just let those who have a CCW carry their weapons while at school.

[mac2]

29. Can't /shouldn't force anyone to carry a gun

but the shooting in the class room at NIU would have been prevented if the teacher had their own gun.

A metal detector might have helped. The person doing the shooting knew that there was no one to stop him.

[SteveM]

36. I hate to think what a metal detector would do to the open university.

[Turbo Teg]

10. I know

You were bieng sarcastic right? Because facts say otherwise.

[DonP]

28. Really? Could have fooled me.

I thought that was the idea behind putting more cops with guns on the street?

Oh, I guess cops are different for you. They are Supercitizens and have rights and skills that mere mortals couldn't possibly have.

Since Concealed Carry Permit holders have a lower rate of negligent discharges with their carry weapons, and on average put in far more range pratice time, what's the difference?

Chicago cops only have to qualify with their duty weapon once a year, I'm not sure about other departmens, but that doesn't add up to a lot of practice.

[bossy22]

33. every 6 months for NYPD

many police officers train with their weapons on their off time, but there is still a large part of the force that doesnt. The look at their gun the same way a carpenter looks at his hammer

you will only get good at shooting if you practice

[xchrom]

11. ...

:crazy:

[katandmoon]

12. Sure! Why not?

Arm all the students too! Don't let anyone out of the house in the morning unless they're packin'! That's obviously what the NRA wants, and the public has been brainwashed to obey.

[Turbo Teg]

13. Agreed.

As long as they're college students and want to get a CCW. I agree, I never leave the house without packing, it's just not a smart thing to do. I don't agree that the NRA has brainwashed anyone though. The public has just gotton smarter and decided to take responsablity for there own safety, which just so happens the NRA preaches that.

[sepulveda]

19. lol

the classic gun grabber meme

when any discussion of civil rights comes up - divert

it's because of NRA PROPAGANDA

and then use a the "absurd extension" tactic

people support ALLOWING teachers to carry, and then it goes to "arm all the students too"

see how this works

imagine it with abortion

you say you are pro-choice

person comes along as says

IT'S BECAUSE OF NARAL PROPAGANDA

and then "let's kill all the babies too. that's what this means"

same lack of logic, same histrionic rubbish

it's illogical

[mac2]

31. I'm not a gun lover or a member of the NRA

I just think we should discuss it. Students are being killed.

[EricTeri]

34. This isnt the NRA talking dearie

Now go back to the kiddie table and let the adults talk, mmmk?

[katandmoon]

35. Oh yes it is DEARIE. You just aren't listening.

[DonP]

37. OK, let's keep doing the same thing ...

... and then stand there scratching our heads when we get the same results and wonder, "now how could that have happened, after all, we meant well?"

Pass another round of laws that the criminals and insane will ignore, make schools Gun Free Zones with even bigger signs. Fight allowing mental health medical records being added to the NICS data base for medical privacy reasons.

Then come back here in a few weeks or months, after the next shooting, to blame law abiding gun owners and the mysterious NRA again. And again ignore any of our ideas to try something different, because, "like you're evil violent gun owners". We will keep suggesting that to get different results you might try a different approach like allowing those qualified adults that already have licenses to carry concealed.

Last I looked nobody anywhere, NRA or otherwise, was endorsing "give all the kids guns" except a few gun grabbing loonies trying to see how far they can stretch hyperbole in a single post. But if they have I'd appreciate you pointingit out to us so we can all apologize to you.

I'll wait.

[EricTeri]

38. No it isnt.

It is the people of this country who are simply sick and tired of the attitude that we must beg for our lives from criminals because people like you are afraid to take responsibility for your own life.

It isn't all about some evil corporation, or right-wing conspiracy, or lobbying group. Believe it or not, there are people in this country that give a damn and are tired of being told what to do.

There are ~90 MILLION gun owners in this country, my poor ignorant friend. Only about 4 million of them belong to the NRA. Do you REALLY think the other 86 million don't have anything to say? Are you THAT closed minded?

Get over yourself. Stop blindly believing the tripe you've heard on The View this morning, pay attention to the world around you, and stop expecting others to wipe your ass because you're too afraid of it.

Did i hurt your poor widdle feelings? Did this mean, bad, gun owner make you feel all scared because he yelled at you? TOUGH.

The only people calling for arming the students are moronic, mindless ideological imbeciles who don't know their ass from their elbow, and condescending control freaks who can't process the idea that they may well be wrong. Which one are you?

Like i said before kid - go back to the children's table and let the adults talk. We'll call you over when we want cutesy uninformed childish input to an adult discussion.

[gorfle]

15. I will say no.

As you all know, I am very pro-RKBA, and I am in favor of CCW permits, and I am in favor of CCW permit holders being permitted to carry firearms nearly everywhere.

I am not yet in favor of having weapons in schools full of children (high school and lower).

First and foremost because I have no doubt that someone will eventually set their weapon down carelessly and it will be discovered by a child, with unpredictable consequences.

But also because our schools are supposed to be a place for children. A safe place. A place where guns should not be necessary.

I can't explain my hesitancy very well. I am all for adults in adult situations and environments having CCW access, because the adult world is faced with adult dangers. I would hope that our childrens' schools would be a safer place than that, and I suspect that in reality most are, despite the rare Columbines.

[Lasher]

16. Schools around here have lockdown drills.

It's to prepare for when someone might be trying to force their way in to do something sinister. So the teachers take the kids into their rooms and lock the doors to wait for the 'all clear' over the intercom. I think they have the kids get under their desks or something.

But if I'm a bad guy outside, I could think of a number of quick ways to get in there - particularly knowing that there's not any gun in the building.

There actually was a lockdown recently at a nearby school. Somebody found a stick of dynamite that had fallen off a mining supply truck and authorities overreacted. Not knowing the reason for the lockdown at the time, and with my wife inside as part of the faculty, I remember wishing she would have had her .38 special with her. She has a CCW permit, BTW.

I don't like the idea of faculty keeping a gun in their purse or desk or whatever. If there were one at this school it should be locked up in the school safe - just like the way I secure my guns at home when there's little ones around.

[sepulveda]

20. another way to secure a gun

is within a holster attached to your person

[Lasher]

24. Might get a little unhandy for her, working close with the kids as she does.

Would have to keep it snapped down pretty tight to ensure none of the kids would come from behind and grab it. And to me it would seem prudent to keep a low profile about having it.

Sure, she could strap it to her leg or something like on TV but to her that would get old real quick.

[sepulveda]

25. in grammar

school, i agree. in high school not so much

[Lasher]

26. Yeah, that makes sense.

She works in kindergarten. Lots of shoes to tie and hugs to give.

[sepulveda]

27. true

in high school hugs by the teacher have often led to a bit more intimacy it seems

[mac2]

30. Maybe not around the young children but in high schools

and colleges...where most the "shootings" have occurred as of late. We just had one in Illinois at NIU.

[NewMoonTherian]

39. I think that's the most rational proposal.

Starting, for the sake of argument, in facilities that include grade nine? Being younger than the average poster here, and coming more recently from the public school environment, I'd prefer armed faculty as low as grade six, but I'd be willing to compromise in order to get some faculty armed.

[slackmaster]

18. Only if they are qualified to be armed and really want to be

:shrug:

[mac2]

32. See #29