Bradys complain about Students for Concealed Carry's funds: $610.02

[SteveM]

Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign complained February 2, 1908 on Australia's ABC News radio: "We know that they were organized and they are funded by the gun industry, by the companies that are selling the guns."

In response, W. Scott Lewis, media coordinator for SCCC, demanded in a press release that the Brady's "prove it." He reported SCCC has a bank balance (as of this writing) of $610.02, mainly from online donations and T-shirt sales.

Lewis then challenged the Brady Campaign: "...SCCC is willing to make all of its financial records available to the media if the Brady Campaign will do the same." <http://www.concealedcampus.org/brady_campaign_response.pdf>

The SCCC press release noted also Paul Helmke's (Brady Campaign) comments on FOX (10-26-07): " like to dress up to feel more masculine."

Helmke demonstrates once again the quality of the gun-banners' debate.

<http://concealedcampus.org/> is the home page of SCCC.

[villager]

1. Just as this post shows the "quality" of the gun-cultists' debate?

n/t

[SteveM]

2. I certainly hope so. Thanks! (nt)

[villager]

5. oh, it does. You got your wish.

Nary a substantive issue in sight.

[Hangingon]

10. The bank balance is a substantive fact.

As is the offer to open SCCC records if the Brady people will open theirs. Your argument falls flat. The usual response when anti-gun people won't respond to an honest challenge.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

13. Funny

Indeed.

Thanks.

[virginia mountainman]

3. HA HA!!!

The Brady Campaign is jealous, they can't compete with a group of collage kids.

So they go back to their Republican roots....throwing mud, and talkin' shit.

[SteveM]

6. "Collage kids?" Ha!...

Texas State University (San Marcos, down the road apiece from Austin and U.T.) seems to be a center for concealed-carry activism, and SCCC is periodically covered by Austin T.V. news.

Interesting, Texas State was a center for marijuana legalization in the early 90s (and rather in-your-face about it) with protestors lighting up in the police station and going to jail for it.

Wonder what Helmke's take is on women who "dress up?"

[catnhatnh]

4. Gotta stand with the pro-gun folks on this....

(and if you know me this is a first) When you publicly attack a group and accuse them of being industry shills then you should agree to public disclosure of your own funding as well.

[SteveM]

7. The "caliber" of discussion includes your point as well...

Why would anyone in their right mind make such a charge unless they were willing to: (1) show a shill connection; and (2) show their bottom line.

I think the Bradys do this because they don't fear MSM will call their hand on it. And they won't.

[Tejas]

11. Probably lost in the moment as VPC is

used to just spitting out whatever boilerplate-"GUNSOHTEHNOES!!!1!-rant comes to mind. Problem on this occasion is their audience wasn't captive.

[DonP]

8. Don't hold your breath

There is no way they will ever make their lack of popular support obvious.

The Brady people stopped mentioning or even listing their membership numbers shortly after the Million Mom March folded up. Two years ago they had a major round of layoffs and cut their entire staff, the entire PR operation is now down to two people and an intern.

Their last published estimate was under 12,000 nationwide and their last "Mother's Day Million Mom March" drew fewer than 2,000 attendeees in an election year with no major political speakers.

They get a very small flow of donations here and there but, as previoulsy mentioned down here, their big funding comes in big lump sum checks from the Joyce foundation, not a grass roots movement. If the Joyce Foundation ever finds a new pet or decides to stop pouring money down that particular rathole, their lights will go out faster than a birthday candle at a 6 year old's party.

But they have fooled a lot of people that don't know better into actually thinking that the gun industry is something like big oil or the Pharma industry with giant mega corporations with big, high $ lobbying groups working the Washington DC Cocktail party circuit.

[SteveM]

9. Good info. I think they "fool a lot of people..." in main media (nt)

[fightthegoodfightnow]

16. 'their lack of popular support obvious'

Have a few more mass terrorist attacks on America's campuses and schools and I suspect you might be wrong.

[bossy22]

18. extreme lack of public support

go to www.bradycampaign.org/blog and check out the bottom of each blog- it says comments disabled....if you go back like a year in the blogs you will see that comments are present- almost all of them from pro-gun people- i only saw 2 people that posted in most of these comments that were on the gun control side.

Unlike the NRA that flaunts its membership numbers (around 4 million) the Brady camp. doesnt even acknowledge the subject. In fact i think 4 years ago they removed the "membership list" link from their website and there is also reason to believe that there "newsletter" recievers are actually pro-gun people doing some "intelligence" I say this because on boards like AR15.com there are many discussion threads about there newsletters, often atleast 2 dozen posters will respond indicating that they are on the brady camps list.


it can also be seen in the merging of the Million Mom March with the brady campaign....the last march on washington D.C. brought 2,000 people- thats it. Also at local rallies- like the one in Virginia- about 40 pro-control people showed up- compared to 400 pro-gun people.

You can't claim you have a large fan base and be taken seriously if no one ever shows up to your games

[fightthegoodfightnow]

12. Stereotypical

You write: 'Helmke demonstrates once again the quality of the gun-banners' debate.'

I'll have to remember that one the next time I read some ridiculous looney thing from those on your side of the argument.

Stereotypical indeed.

[Tejas]

14. gun-haters aka truth-haters ?

Even the Feinenstein herself would admit that Helmke blew it.


(your slip is showing ;) )

[fightthegoodfightnow]

15. One Liners Suit You

You are fast approaching what I call the ' L1A1Rocker' threshold for ignoring.

Present an argument. Present a line of reasoning. Heck, I'm hoping you do challenge me with intellect and shrewdness that cause me to reflect on your arguments.

Give it your best 'shot' (no pun intended). So far, you are missing your target, which is the best i can do given your 'one liners'.

[Tejas]

17. Your disdain for the Constitution/BOR/US gov't deserve no more n/t