Two more would be home invaders carried off feet first.

[L1A1Rocker]

Police: Home invasion victim shoots, kills suspects

http://www.wcnc.com/news/topstories/stories/wcnc-032008-ah-homeownershoots.ac213e2.html


HICKORY, N.C. - Police say two suspects are dead after an attempted home invasion.



Just another example of what happens when a good guy is armed at the right time.

[BobRossi]

1. They won't try that again! nt

[L1A1Rocker]

2. Nope, and saved taxpayers a LOT of money.

[ManBearPig]

3. Great Last Line

I love how at the end it says "no arrests have been made". As if killing two people breaking into your home (with guns to boot) is some sort of suspicious activity.

[L1A1Rocker]

4. Yep, that was a real "Duh" moment.

[east texas lib]

5. Bummer for the bad guys...

Now it's early retirement on the forever plan. That job flippin' burgers looks pretty good
compared to that.:(

[iverglas]

6. better hold off on the champagne

I know how hard it can be to suppress the fits of glee when you all hear about people dying, but caution might be warranted.

Now on the face of it, it sure does look like somebody had a narrow escape and nobody can blame him for what he had to do.

But hell, nobody's told me that this wasn't, oh, a drug rip-off, or just a bunch o' lies by the only person left alive. I'm not omniscient, and my crystal ball seems to be a bit foggy.

http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/552910.html

Posted on Wed, Mar. 26, 2008
Catawba County
Authorities identify 2 men slain during March 19 home invasion
HICKORY

Authorities have identified two men killed last week during a home invasion in Hickory. Thomas Devon England, 23, of Hickory and 19-year-old William Justin Terrell Parsons of Taylorsville were shot to death March 19 after they forced their way into a home on 33rd Avenue in northeast Hickory around 11 p.m., according to the Catawba County Sheriff's Office.England and Parsons, who were found dressed in black, wearing masks and with handguns, were killed by the homeowner, authorities said. The District Attorney's Office hasn't decided whether to charge the homeowner.

I mean, I know how devoted you all are to that Bill of Rights thingie and all.

Due process, equal protection ... you wouldn't want to be convicting anyone even in the court of public opinion, even if they're dead already, without something bearing some slight resemblance to, oh, facts, would you?

Course not.


Anybody remember this one? ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=98607

One of my all-time favourites, that one. Right up there with the guy who shot the 16-yr old on his lawn playing Hallowe'en pranks in the back and tried to claim self-defence ...

[L1A1Rocker]

7. You forgot one, presumption of Innocent until proven guilty.

[L1A1Rocker]

8. please, how do you reconcile these conflicting statements?

"I know how hard it can be to suppress the fits of glee when you all hear about people dying"

with

"I'm not omniscient, and my crystal ball seems to be a bit foggy."

[iverglas]

9. easy one

I know how hard it can be to suppress the fits of glee when you all hear about people dying

I see the fits of glee, I know that a decent human being would have tried to suppress them, I have to assume that people posting at DU are decent human beings, so I conclude that it was too hard for them to suppress the fits of glee.

I'm not omniscient, and my crystal ball seems to be a bit foggy.

That one I'd think is obvious, but if you have evidence to contradict what I said, do offer it up.

[L1A1Rocker]

10. I SEEEE, It's called "spin".

[ManBearPig]

11. Obviously You Have Never Heard Of Castle Doctrine Law

A person is assumed to be justified in defending themselves and their property and they are immune to civil suit. Or maybe you would like to go back to the days when the robber could sue the person if the robber hurt themselves during the robbery?

[iverglas]

12. obviously you have never heard of me

Good luck.

[L1A1Rocker]

13. Luck is NOT needed.

[iverglas]

14. no, but

a functioning DU account is, if someone wants to speak for him/herself. ;)

[bossy22]

15. i hate to say it

but shes got a point on this one

[L1A1Rocker]

16. Did she do something to his account?

[iverglas]

19. I am iverglas, the All-mighty and All-powerful

Yeesh, some weird shit when you ask google for images of iverglas.

John F Kennedy ... a lotta guns ... and Karla Homolka, Kimveer Gill and Marc Lépine. I gotta stop posting pix of mass murderers ...

[iverglas]

18. I'd bow, but

google only finds me images of





Now there's a site not to be missed.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Does castle law trump all?

What is the law in NC re: shooting at someone in your home?

and as iverglas has mooted, what if you are up to no good yourself at home.
I not saying the homeowner here *is*, but what if he was, say a meth dealer (theoretically)?

[appal_jack]

22. Dumbest. Gun-grabbin'. Reasoning. Ever.

Iverglas,

I really don't appreciate your high-horse sneering at North Carolinians downthread. Catawba and Iredell are fine places, which are not, AFAIK, seeking the opinions or judgements of snooty Canadians. Since NC is my adopted & much beloved home, I will say that one stereotype that often is true 'round these parts is that folks are exceedingly polite, as long as you don't break into their homes or threaten their families. In those latter cases, well, intruder beware...

Even though I live somewhat close to Hickory, I don't know any more about this case than has been posted. But you, Iverglas, are in serious need of some remedial American Constitutional theory education. So here goes:

The Bill of Rights restricts the government and protects individuals. So your comments about Due Process and Equal Protection are (big, Canadian,) straw men (with their pants on fire). An individual protecting his home has no obligation to convene a trial complete with defense team for the criminal. If the government chooses to arrest the homeowner, the obligation will be upon it to provide due process and guarantee equal protection. The dead criminals have not had their rights violated: they just made a dumb choice, and have reverted to room temperature because of that choice, plus the choice of the homeowner to take an active role in self-defense.


And furthermore:

You immediately try to impugn the reputation of the homeowner, making up "oh, a drug rip-off" out of whole cloth, with no evidence whatsoever. Well, even if it was, we US citizens don't lose all our rights as soon as we break one law. So even if there was a nefarious reason those masked, armed criminals wanted to break into that house in particular, the homeowner STILL had a right to defend himself.

-app

[L1A1Rocker]

23. Excellent points made!

[Scout]

24. "we US citizens don't lose all our rights as soon as we break one law"

unless you happen to be a citizen who breaks into someone's home, then you are fair game for murder, eh?

:rofl:

[bossy22]

25. not murder

but fair game to be shot at- yes

there is one simple solution in all of this- DON'T BREAK INTO SOMEONE ELSES HOME

[iverglas]

27. how did I miss that?

As they say on that genealogy board I'm still banned from: pmsl!

[iverglas]

26. yada yada blah blah blah

I like the tune.

I've been to North Carolina, and have found nothing to sneer at. That could be one reason why I haven't sneered at anything -- your charming false characterization of what I did say notwithstanding.

What I did was find the number of homicides occurring in one county there, in one brief moment in time, to be gobsmackingly bizarre:

Nothing yet -- but what the hell is this Catawba County place??

A couple of weeks ago, a local paper counted five homicides "since Sunday". ?!?

Population around 150,000. They'll all soon be dead at this rate, I'd think.

Is there someone in the world who would not find five homicides in less than a week in a population of 150,000 gobsmackingly bizarre? Am I missing something here??

Make it five in a week. At that rate, there would be over 260 in a year. That's a homicide rate of over 170/100,000. Even the US has a homicide rate of not much over 5/100,000 nationally these days. See what I'm getting at?

The homicide rate in this county in a single week was not far off the homicide rate in the US in a year.

Obviously, this is a blip of some sort. I don't really imagine there are 260 homicides in that county in a year. It's one damned big blip nonetheless.


The Bill of Rights restricts the government and protects individuals. So your comments about Due Process and Equal Protection are (big, Canadian,) straw men (with their pants on fire).

yaydayadayadayadablahblahblahblahblah.

Do you seriously imagine you are the first amateur to pretend you know more about this than I do?

If your laws allowed me to kill you with impunity because, oh, I'm Canadian, and the law in North Carolina says that Canadians may shoot people on sight, would you feel that you were getting the equal protection of the law?

If your laws allowed anyone at all to kill you with impunity, because they prohibited the killing of everyone but (and here we have a hypothetical description of you) 20-something white males with chips on their shoulders, would you feel that you were getting the equal protection of the law?

Say yes. Please.


You immediately try to impugn the reputation of the homeowner, making up "oh, a drug rip-off" out of whole cloth, with no evidence whatsoever.

Yeah. No evidence. Which is why I did not do what you assert, with no qualifiers, that I did: You immediately try to impugn the reputation of the homeowner; what I said was:

Now on the face of it, it sure does look like somebody had a narrow escape and nobody can blame him for what he had to do.

But hell, nobody's told me that this wasn't, oh, a drug rip-off, or just a bunch o' lies by the only person left alive. I'm not omniscient, and my crystal ball seems to be a bit foggy.

Some problem with your eye-brain coordination today, or just with your internal truth-o-meter?


The dead criminals have not had their rights violated: they just made a dumb choice, and have reverted to room temperature because of that choice, plus the choice of the homeowner to take an active role in self-defense.

They are dead because someone killed them.

Where I'm at, that's something that the criminal justice system takes an interest in. I gather it sometimes is where you're at, too.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

28. Good thing you aren't a DA.

Be hard to make fair decisions with all that bias.

David

[iverglas]

29. good thing you aren't a ballerina

Be hard to spin on your toes with all that blubber.

I dunno. We're trading meaningless characterizations of nothing, right?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. It's more my balance that's the problem.

I'm a dumb, old, skinny fireman.

David

[radioburning]

31. I'll dance a jig for you right now!!!

You're damn right I'm happy about these people in particular dying. Have you ever had someone taken from you by a ruthless criminal who thinks it's funny to kill innocent people? Ever been raped at knifepoint? Would you like to experience something like that? I didn't think so. The ugly fact of life in our time is there are very, very bad people who would not hesitate to do horrible, unspeakable things to any of us, given half the chance. Period. When I hear about 2 less of them on the planet I jump for joy. I do cartwheels. I sing "the hills are alive with the sound of music...". I dance a jig. I'll dance a jig for you right now...

[iverglas]

33. I hope

you dance fast, friend.

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may ...


Ever been raped at knifepoint? Would you like to experience something like that?

Damn, no, I've missed that one. Have you?

Me, it was just after being choked into semi-consciousness by the man who had abducted me in a car with all the interior handles removed. You?


Would you like to experience something like that? I didn't think so.

There seems to be a typo there; you don't seem to have meant to type that "so".

[iverglas]

17. it went in the wrong place! n/t

[iverglas]

20. went looking for updates ...

I do find that the updates are usually the most interesting parts ...

Nothing yet -- but what the hell is this Catawba County place??

A couple of weeks ago, a local paper counted five homicides "since Sunday". ?!?

Population around 150,000. They'll all soon be dead at this rate, I'd think.

Toronto had 13 homicides in the first three months of 2008.
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/statistics/ytd_stats.php


This shooting didn't end in death ... and okay, it seems to be not in Catawba County, but somewhere nearby.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/stories/wcnc-040108-mw-busstopshooting.2104c2a6.html

05:50 PM EDT on Tuesday, April 1, 2008

By ALEX REED / WCNC
Stray bullet hits boy

IREDELL COUNTY, N.C. -- A teenager is shot while waiting for the school bus and his father says he’s not upset with the man who pulled the trigger.

... The boy's father is calling this a freak accident. He says his son was waiting for a school bus when a stray bullet traveled 100 yards down the road and hit the boy in the leg.

... Investigators say the neighbor who pulled the trigger was aiming for a stray dog rummaging through his garbage. But the shot missed.

... There are no shooting ordinances in Iredell County.

Investigators say considering a round from a .22 rifle can travel up to 2 miles, the shooter was clearly not careful enough with his firearm.

Lordy. It's hard not to weep for the human species, all told. I don't think I've met many people that unfathomably stupid and unpleasant in my life. Two on the same street -- one shooting at dogs, the other thinking it's cool that the first one hit his son instead ... yeesh. Beam me up, Scottie. If scum like this inhabit my planet, I don't wanna be here no more.

[Deadric]

32. It seems to me....

I'm new here, so here is my first post. I'm a very pro-gun person. It seems to me that, from just this topic, that a lot of the anti-gun folks are trying to grasp at anything that makes a person (whom has defended themselves with a firearm) look bad. It's as if they completely disregard the true victim's right to self-defense, but then ignore that the deceased violated the living's rights. Not only do I think that is extreme, but your own people...the Brady's think that. The Brady's might agree with you...but politically they will not admit that. I'll tell you why even your backbone isn't going to admit what you feel: Because they know it is killing their party. If you notice, even the most liberal of democrats (Hillary & Obama) have been trying to play off like they are "pro-2nd Amendment". We all know they are not; but they give it a good go. How do they do it? They speak the words that 2nd Amendment people want to hear, but they omit anything about self-defense. In other words, they make it sound they are for gun rights but they never ever admit the 2nd Amendment has anything to do with self-defense. This is because the "anti-gunners" have told their party to change tactics by "rewording" their campaign. It sounds different, but the goals are the same.

It reminds me of the story about the frog and the scorpian. A frog is going to cross a pond. A scorpian comes and says, "let me on your back". Frog says "no way, you'll sting me". Scorpian says, "I wouldn't do that, because then we'd both die." The Frog finally gives in. Halfway into the journey, through the pond, the scorpian stings the frog. As they are about to drown, the frog asks the scorpian, "why"? Scorpian replies, "because stupid, I'm a scorpian!".

It's the same way with the extreme left on guns. They can sugar coat their beliefs on guns all they want. The Brady's can pose with $5,000 double barrel shotguns all they want. If you vote for them, they will take your self-defense rights away. Then you will ask them why...and they will respond: "Because stupid, I'm extreme left".

[iverglas]

34. hahahahahaha

even the most liberal of democrats (Hillary & Obama)

Okay, nothing in that post worth saying anything about, I just had to express appreciation for that very amusing line.

So, which one is your first choice? I guess maybe it doesn't matter, and you'll just vote for the Democrat no matter which one it is, eh?



It's the same way with the extreme left on guns. They can sugar coat their beliefs on guns all they want. The Brady's can pose with $5,000 double barrel shotguns all they want. If you vote for them, they will take your self-defense rights away. Then you will ask them why...and they will respond: "Because stupid, I'm extreme left".

Damn. And here I thought they were Republicans ...

Good thing I don't rely on the DU Guns forum for all my news and views; I'd be one confused puppy.

Pretty far left, though. And obviously not as stupid as you obviously like to think we over here are.