Legislature to tackle assault weapons ban (LA)

[beevul]

Legislature to tackle assault weapons ban

HB68 - by Richmond. ASSAULT WEAPON BAN. Defines assault weapons as pistols accepting a detachable magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip, a semi-auto rifle or pistol with a magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds, any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine, any semi-auto rifle or pistol (or pump rifle) capable of accepting a detachable magazine and that has a muzzle break or barrel shroud or barrel grip or that (if a rifle) has a pistol grip, or modified stock with thumbhole grip and that (if a pistol) has a shoulder stock. Bans, after Jan. 1, 2009, possession, sale and manufacture, including conversion kits and large capacity magazines. Requires registration and licensing for assault weapons possessed prior to Jan. 1, 2009. Provides for possession, use and storage requirements for licensed assault weapons, licensing fees, use of such fees and penalties for violation.

http://www.dailyworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080402/SPORTS/804020314/1006

Pretty inclusive.




Any ideas whether this will pass or not?

[bossy22]

1. it wont pass

[virginia mountainman]

2. It wont even BEGIN to pass...

But what it WILL do, is remind the electorate of this;

"See, I told you, the DEMOCRATS, want to take your guns..."

NICE!!! Legislation crafted by Republican Sara Brady herself, Has ZERO chance of passing, and will serve to remind the folks, just WHO the "gun banners" are.

[Firethorn]

13. The problem is, they'd be correct...

You see, the bill was introduced by Representative Cedric L. Richmond, Democrat - District 101

Can we stop pissing into the wind? It's ineffective and harms the cause.

Second, I'm curious as to how many people read the subject of this topic as Los Angeles, not Louisiana?

As for the Sara Brady being a republican, do you have any proof - all I could find was a blurb on guncite saying that 'The Bradys used to be registered as Republicans', but it also contained 'Sarah Brady is now registered as an independent.'

Sarah Brady has proved herself as pretty much a single issue voter/campaigner, her original party affiliation hardly matters at this point.

Especially since she doesn't hold office and is thus unable to introduce legislation on her own. The wave of (D) when it comes to gun-ban bill sponsors and voting doesn't help encourage gun owners to vote for us.

[beevul]

15. Well...

"As for the Sara Brady being a republican, do you have any proof - all I could find was a blurb on guncite saying that 'The Bradys used to be registered as Republicans', but it also contained 'Sarah Brady is now registered as an independent."

One could draw some conclusions, former "republican mayor" helmke as President of the brady bunch and all.

[Firethorn]

16. Gun control not a party platform?

Did some further checking. Per wikipedia, Helmke(R) succeeded Barnes(D) who succeeded Brady(R/I).

So yeah, I'll say that the Brady bunch aren't Democrats, more of an independent organization. I'll give them credit for being non-partisan, instead concentrating on their goal(as much as I hate it).

Then again, the same can more or less be said for the NRA, which will endorse Democrats who support gun rights.

Still, being on the NRA's mailing list, I get the idea that they dislike Hillary and Obama far more than they dislike McCain.

In today's world, the internet allows much easier research and verification. I mean, Clinton has a history that can be summed up as 'she's never seen a gun control bill she didn't like'.

In states like Florida, it can be CRITICAL. I mean, they're passing a law right now disallowing businesses from forbidding their employees(with CCW) to carry in their vehicles to work.

Especially right now, can we NOT give the various gun organizations more ammunition? They already have plenty in the form of our candidate's voting records.

Oh yeah, and if you think the NRA is bad, you should be aware that there are more extreme organizations out there like GOA.

Why can't we get more stories like this out there?

Here's a goody: 89% of NRA-PVF endorsed candidates won.
Think the gun-vote doesn't matter?

[Traction311]

17. Her and her husband were Republicans

But not since shortly after the early 1981 shooting.

[virginia mountainman]

18. Your very wrong...

Odd, they don't even mention the word "republican" in his bio, but he is. I wonder why??

http://www.bradycenter.org/about/paul-helmke-bio.php


Sara Brady's Bio....

http://www.bradycenter.org/about/jimandsarahbio.php

....From 1964 to 1968, Mrs. Brady was a public school teacher in Virginia. For the next ten years, she worked actively in various capacities within the Republican Party. She served as Assistant to the Campaign Director at the National Republican Congressional Committee from 1968 to 1970. In 1970, Sarah joined the staff of U.S. Representative Mike McKevitt (R-CO) as an Administrative Aide. She held the same position in Congressman Joseph J. Maraziti's office (R-NJ) from 1972-1974. During the next four years, Mrs. Brady was Director of Administration and Coordinator of Field Services for the Republican National Committee....

....Sarah's past activities include Chairing the Building Committee for the Republican National Committee Annex, serving as a delegate to five Virginia Republican State Conventions, and serving (<--submitters note, notice PRESENT tense)as an Honorary Regent of the National Federation of Republican Women.....

Sounds like many in our party, love to get marching orders from a REPUKE....

And the results of following those orders, have cost us COUNTLESS ELECTIONS, starting in 1994, when we lost both the house and senate over a largely useless gun ban, that was easily and legally circumvented by changing the name of the rifle, and removing a bit of metal here and their. Hell even that ban, much like the vast majority of its supporters, is gone now....

[iverglas]

19. where IS that remedial reading course when you need it??

Sarah's past activities include Chairing the Building Committee for the Republican National Committee Annex, serving as a delegate to five Virginia Republican State Conventions, and serving (<--submitters note, notice PRESENT tense) as an Honorary Regent of the National Federation of Republican Women.....

It isn't ANY tense, for the love of ducks.

It is a participle being used as a NOUN.

If it were a verb, where would you be seeing its subject?

Her past activities (subject) include (verb) serving (object).

Excuse me while I spend the next half hour bemoaning the decline of literacy quietly to myself.

[Traction311]

33. Perhaps so, but in name only

Every Republican who knows about politics HATES the Brady's. They can call themselves whatever they want, but their gun stance makes them poison to Republicans. Remember, Zell Miller still calls himself a Democrat.

[virginia mountainman]

34. Think about it...

Who benefits, when Gun Control gets talked about???

It CERTAINLY is not us...

Keep in mind, that NRA supported candidates win, nearly 90% of the time.

Now WHY on earth, would a republican, want a democrat, to take a politically radioactive stance??

[benEzra]

3. No chance whatsoever of passing. No state in the nation has an AWB that idiotic...

CA's comes closest, but even CA doesn't outlaw rifles with integral muzzle brakes.

FWIW, the sponsor is an idiot. It would ban "pistols with shoulder stocks," but possession of a pistol with a shoulder stock outside of police/military/government duty is ALREADY a 10-year Federal felony unless you first obtain a BATFE Form 4; the only current exceptions are certain antiques, approved by BATFE on a case by case basis, I think. In addition to the normal idiocy of trying to ban the most popular civilian rifles in America, this one even sweeps up a lot of traditional hunting guns in addition to the usual small-caliber carbines:


Browning BAR Mk II Safari Grade, .300 WSSM, "assault weapon" under the proposed law

FWIW, there was a great deal of fearmongering recently in the MSM about "AK-47's" in New Orleans, and I suspect the legislator who introduced this fell for said bogeyman and decided he/she needed to "do something" about it:

Clueless fearmongering

What makes it clueless

[bossy22]

4. who thinks of these things

honestly- who actually writes these bills?

[Turbo Teg]

5. If that's an AK,

I got screwed! Seriously, what morons. Spouting off at the mouth with shit they don't know about. Someone needs to immediatly be fired for bieng a jackass.

[Aventurier]

6. Hey, that's my Deer Rifle!

BAR Mark II Safari with the "Boss" Muzzle stabilizer.

Except mine is a .270.

[benEzra]

7. Yup. That's a fine rifle...

but the BOSS would make it an "assault weapon" under the proposal (notice the proposal mentions "muzzle brake" as one of the evil features constituting an "assault weapon").

[Spoonman]

8. It will go down in FLAMES

When, oh when, will they ever figure out that these bills are election nukes!

[gorfle]

9. The article says the rep is "Richmond"

I am assuming this is the fellow:

http://house.legis.state.la.us/H_Reps/members.asp?ID=101

You can email him here:

[e-mail]

Interestingly, I cannot find this bill through their web site:

http://www.legis.state.la.us/archive/081es/081es.htm

[Firethorn]

14. Found the bill...

Interestingly, I cannot find this bill through their web site:

I think you were getting the wrong session, your link goes to the first 'extraordinary session', the bill was in the regular session area.

http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/byinst.asp?sessionid=08rs&billtype=HB&billno=68

Of course, it comes off with a number of untruths and misinformation right off the bat:

(1) Semiautomatic assault weapons are military style guns designed to
4 quickly kill large numbers of people. The shooter can simply point, rather than
5 carefully aim, the weapon to quickly spray a wide area with a hail of bullets.

Assault weapons require just as much aiming as any other rifle.

(2) According to Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) data, between 1998
7 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed
8 with an assault weapon.

Per the FBI report on officer deaths 1995-2004, only if you define 'assault weapon' as 'rifle' and change 'in the line of duty' with 'by a firearm'.

(3) Gun manufacturers have for many years made, marketed, and sold to
10 civilians semiautomatic versions of military assault weapons designed with features
11 specifically intended to increase lethality for military applications.

Oddly enough, often in calibers that are considered insufficient for the hunting of large game such as deer. Civilians like guns such as the AR15 due to it's robustness, accuracy, ease of finding parts/accessories, servicability, etc...

My marlin .30-30 is arguably more lethal than my .233 AR15. My .300 WBY is definitly more lethal.

(4) Assault weapons have been used in some of America's most notorious
13 murders, including the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School and the 2002
14 Washington, D.C., area sniper shootings.

Used, sure, but my dad was figuring the sniper shootings were from a bolt action varmit rifle because no casings were being found - the characteristics of an 'assault weapon' were unused.

For Columbine, I don't have the reference at the moment, but I remember seeing something that stated most of the deaths came from people shot by the shotguns. If the propane bombs had gone off in the cafeteria more would have probably died from them.

[slackmaster]

10. In Louisiana?

:rofl:

[Tejas]

11. They must have consulted

McCarthy up in New York.

"any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine"

That would include the bolt-action 12ga Mossberg of mine with the detachable TWO ROUND magazine, guess they figure it qualifies as a 70's era sniper-shotgun!


tagged for Youtubes videos of these embiciles!

[SteveM]

36. My brother has a Mossberg; works most of the time.

[derby378]

12. I'm still waiting for the bill to define "assault weapons"

All I see is an arbitrary laundry list of safety features. Good riddance to bad laws.

[spin]

20. The definition will evolve to include revolvers ...

Check out this video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3fgduPdH_Y

Yep, definitely an assault weapon!

[benEzra]

21. A bill was proposed in Florida in the early '90s that would have banned revolvers

as "assault weapons." It defined an "assault weapon," as I recall, as "any firearm that could fire more than one shot without manually reloading the chamber" or somesuch. Needless to say, it didn't see the light of day, and the zealots who kept pushing said crapola helped elect Jeb Bush in Florida...

[spin]

22. That's exactly why the Democratic party needs to stop...

pushing draconian gun laws.

Reasonable gun laws that help reduce crime or criminal misuse of firearms usually upsets the NRA, but gun owners understand that good laws help preserve their right to own firearms.

I believe Democrats are finally beginning to see the light. Unfortunately, they hope to gain the gun owners' votes by putting on some brand new camouflage gear, borrowing someone's shotgun and heading out to hunt ducks camera with a camera crew close behind.

After the gun owners stop laughing at the stupidity, they make their minds up to vote for the Republican candidate.

And we end up fighting an endless war in some God forsaken part of the world.

[Tejas]

24. It's not the party itself,

it's individual politicians. The antis here at the DU don't exactly help matters either.

[spin]

25. More and more Democrats are pro-gun

The National Rifle Association, the powerful arm of the gun lobby, has noticed the shift in positions of Democratic candidates. The percentage of money donated by the NRA to Democratic House and Senate candidates has more than doubled, from 6 percent in the 2002 election cycle to 14 percent so far in the 2006 cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the NRA, said the group has ''seen a marked change" in Democratic behavior.

''Certainly, we support more Republicans than Democrats, but we've seen in the last few years an increasing number of Democrats actively seeking the NRA endorsement and actually winning it," Arulanandam said.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/12/17/democrats_recast_gun_control_image/

As a candidate, an anti-gun position helps in some areas of the country, like the North East or California. While an anti-gun politician can enjoy success in those areas, he or she may find it more difficult to win a Presidential race.

But though the years,the party has developed a reputation as anti-gun. It may take a good while to overcome this perception. The great majority of gun owners vote to preserve their rights and will actively work for and donate money to the campaigns of politicians who support gun rights.

And I agree with your statement about DU. Many Republicans and undecided voters lurk in the background reading the views posted here. The pro-gun posters tend to use logic and facts to back up their positions. The ant-gun posters too often resort to emotion and name calling. The arguments that result while entertaining, probably do little to attract pro-gun voters to the party.

[WWFZD]

29. That point hits home

"Many Republicans and undecided voters lurk in the background reading the views posted here. The pro-gun posters tend to use logic and facts to back up their positions. The ant-gun posters too often resort to emotion and name calling. The arguments that result while entertaining, probably do little to attract pro-gun voters to the party. "

I'm one of those. I read more than I post. I've traditionally voted mostly Republican, on libertarian principles, but I'm damn sick of this iteration of the Repub party. The last time I voted was for Ted Strickland for Ohio guv in '06 and I'm very pleased with my choice. He's a strong 2A supporter, non-authoritarian and a dedicated public servant, a traditional Democrat.
Many of the anti-gun posters, while being intelligent, passionate and articulate, do seem to have a strong authoritarian streak, as in "you gunners" are too stupid and irresponsible to exercise a fundamental civil liberty, it can sometimes be dangerous. We have sociopaths and criminals among us who abuse all their rights but it doesn't seem progressive to me to judge everyone by the actions of the most base.
As for the presidential election this year, unless Clinton or Obama convince me that they support the 2A, I plan on kicking back with a beer after work instead of standing in the rain. I'm not voting for a Republican or a prohibitionist.
Ted Strickland for president - '12.

[old mark]

35. It's changing faster than they are noticing!

I live in Berks County, PA.
It is a very conservative area, an old factory/railroad building town - Reading- at the center. Problem is there are few factories and no more railroad cars to build.
Largest source of income over the county is government jobs-city, county, state and federal civil service jobs, all union workers.
There are a lot of Democrats, and a lot of guns.
There are at least 25,000 people with a License to Carry a Firearm-PA's Concealed Carry - in my county.All these licenses are for self defence.

I don't know what it will take to wake the national level Democrats up to this fact - many of their rank and file are armed and don't like the "gun control" crowd any more than they like the Republicans.

I feel like I am pro choice - I want to be able to decide whether or not to carry a gun, not have some politician with armed guards decide for me.

I have emailed Clinton's campaign about this and got back some crap gibberish about how they welcome ideas and we must all go forward (I don't know what this means, but it peobably means nothing).
I emailed Obama's campaign and got back nothing.
I really want to feel comfortable voting for a Democrat and still knowing my guns won't be outlawed if they are elected.
How can we get these guys to shut up and listen?
Have a great day.
mark

[spin]

38. I just hope it doesn't take another Presidential loss...

There should be no reason why the Democrats don't walk away with this election.

However if the Democratic candidate favors more useless rather than reasonable gun laws, it's quite possible the gun owner vote might decide the election.

[iverglas]

39. I'm pro-choice too!!

I feel like I am pro choice - I want to be able to decide whether or not to carry a gun, not have some politician with armed guards decide for me.

And I want to be able to decide how fast I'll drive when I need to get somewhere on time, not have some politician in a limousine with a chauffeur decide for me.

Freeeeedom!!

[WWFZD]

40. Pro choice is progressive

"I feel like I am pro choice - I want to be able to decide whether or not to carry a gun, not have some politician with armed guards decide for me."

I'd like to get a CCW license but I work on a Federal installation. No guns allowed anywhere on base. And that's fine, I accept that as part of my employment contract. Between base and the commute it's where I spend most of my day. That and the library, a "gun free zone".

"I really want to feel comfortable voting for a Democrat and still knowing my guns won't be outlawed if they are elected.
How can we get these guys to shut up and listen?"

I'm with ya, wish I had an answer. I work with a lot of people who would vote Democratic but whenever I bring up the Democrats they hit me with "they want to take our guns" and name me 10 pro-gun Republicans to my Ted Strickland or Marc Dann. What can I say? I give them my spiel about our 4th amendment rights and the patriot act but guns hit a lot closer to home.
We have an otherwise good mayor here who is also an extreme gungrabber. The NRA canceled their national convention here when Columbus passed their idiotic assault weapons ban and it's not like we're duking it out with Vegas or New York for the top spot in the convention business.
At the national level if anybody has an answer let me know. maybe Hillary or Barack will do it for me, but I doubt it.

[liberal4truth]

27. Clue: Most _TRUE_ Democrats want gun control legislation. I wont vote for the democrat who

..panders for the NRA gun vote. Neither will millions and millions of other Democrats, no matter how many times you polish your guns, hoping and wishing that we will just disappear.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! (Don't give me that "McCain is gonna win if we don't back the NRA" garbage.)

Neither Obama, nor Hillary is a friend of gun-owners, and guess what?

One of them is going to be the POTUS in 2009.

[benEzra]

28. Guess we need to kick all those non-true-Dem Dems out of Congress, then?

Clue: Most _TRUE_ Democrats want gun control legislation. I wont vote for the democrat who..panders for the NRA gun vote. Neither will millions and millions of other Democrats, no matter how many times you polish your guns, hoping and wishing that we will just disappear.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! (Don't give me that "McCain is gonna win if we don't back the NRA" garbage.)

Neither Obama, nor Hillary is a friend of gun-owners, and guess what?

One of them is going to be the POTUS in 2009.

And you want them to repeat the mistakes of '94 and hand the repubs the "Dems'll-take-yer-guns" mantra. Again.

I suppose you'd rather replace my non-true-Dem Dem governor, lt. governor, attorney general, and most of my blue state gov't with repubs? And if you take the pro-gun Dems out of congress, you have a red Congress.

As I mentioned in the other thread, "All the Dems in my very limited circle hate guns" --> "All true Dems hate guns" --> "Gun supporters are not true Dems" is a logical fallacy in the extreme. You should get out of your circle a bit more.

[DonP]

30. Wow, Thanks for straightening out the party for us!

I'm honored, I didn't know we had someone here that spoke for the entire party.

Without your clear and concise definition of what a "TRUE" Democrat thinks about the issue, some of us would have wandered around in the wilderness thinking that working for our local party in elections and fundraising and all that other foolish activity defined our support. I feel so ashamed and dirty now for even having the audacity to think there might be an alternative point of view. But now we can all get in lock step behind your proposals commander.

I'm assuming you have been discussing this with the candidates as well? Can we expect them both to come out with a package of serious gun control legislation proposals that support your, excuse me, the party's gun control positions soon?

Considering the ruckus over Obama's throw away comment on "clinging to guns" I'm sure the voting public will rally to a call for tight and Federally controlled gun control. After all it's worked every time a Democrat has tried it.

[spin]

31. The Democratic Party is like a three ring circus under a big tent...

The object of this circus is to attract as large an audience as possible (voters) to your tent on election day. The performers may argue among themselves as to who has the most important act or who should be in the center ring on performance day. But when the circus starts, the object is to put on a great show. High wire artists, lion tamers, magicians, acrobats, jugglers, unicyclists and clowns all play a part.

If, in the weeks before the show, the tight rope walkers decide that the lion tamers shouldn't be part of the circus, the size of the audience will decrease. If the remaining performers decided the clowns and the jugglers have to go, the circus might attract so few people that it goes bankrupt.

As to your statement:

I won't vote for the democrat who panders for the NRA gun vote.

While Hillary is probably not a friend of gun owners, her recent statements about learning to shoot from her father as a young girl sounds a little like pandering to me.

Did you vote for John Kerry after he went hunting for pheasants in Iowa?

Although Kerry's hunting exploits may have impressed the group of big city reporters, who don't know a 12 gauge from a 20 gauge, it's going to take more than a couple of pheasants to convince real hunters that Kerry is really one of them.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0504/0504kerryhunter.htm

That hunt was some real pandering to the NRA!

[bossy22]

32. i guess Russ Feingold

isnt a real democrat after all- guess he fooled me.

"Most _TRUE_ Democrats want gun control legislation"
hate to break this to you but you aren't the emperor of rome

and most likely this will become a non-issue pretty soon- when D.C. V Heller comes back most likely with a decision striking down the handgun ban- the push for new gun control will have to be limited....unless you want to try to repeal the 2A which you just don't have the votes for. But i guess most "true" Democrats believe in ignoring parts of the constitution while holding others up on a golden pedastool. I just can't wait to see the Brady Campaigns website when the decision comes back

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

37. They're both pandering to the gun vote right now in PA.

So either you haven't been paying attention or you know they're both lying. Which is it?

David

[WWFZD]

23. I rarely read links,

but thanks for that one SPIN. That dude is amazing!

[spin]

26. You are welcome. Yes, Jerry Miculek is one fast dude! (nt)