April 7, 2008 America's Shooting Gallery

[zanne]

IL: Man slays girfriend, then himself, police say
MA: Teen charged in fatal Bridgeport shooting
NC: Girlfriend Charged In Marietta Man's Shooting Death
TX: 2 dead in birthday party shooting in Fort Worth
SC: Man charged with murder in shooting
TN: A shooting overnight sent two men to the hospital, officials said.
HI: Wai'anae shooting suspect charged
MI: Police seek suspect in South Haven shooting
MI: Hastings students return to classes after loss of classmate in accidental shooting
GA: Police Arrest, Charge 19-Year-Old with Shooting Death of Teen

Source: gunguys.com

Charlton Heston's legacy.

[villager]

1. You forgot the guy shot in the face last night in North Hollywood

a few miles from here. Sitting in a car with a woman when it happened.

Guess someone forgot to tell him the rampant, unchecked spread of guns was keeping him "safer..."

[madinmaryland]

2. Hmm. Guess we know where Dick Cheney was last night!

:hide:

[zanne]

3. Do you have a link for that, villager?

I haven't heard about that.

[villager]

4. Link here, plus: "4 Wounded in Separate Valley Shootings"

...all over the weekend. Guess they didn't get the word about how goddamn safe the NRA has made them, either...

NoHo liquor store:

http://cbs2.com/local/Shooting.North.Hollywood.2.693482.html


Four shot in the valley:

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_8826385

[bossy22]

5. i guess i missed the memo

when did the NRA start passing legislation??? i always thought it was congress...guess things changed when i went to mexico

and wasnt this shooting done in the only place the brady camp gave a "passing" grade to on their gun laws

You talk as if the NRA is this all powerful- omnipotant being that is manipulating everyone- the NRA gets its power from its members- who VOTE- and vote in large numbers

When you vote as a group in large numbers- you get attention- and thats why the gun rights movement is so powerful.

[villager]

6. "When did the NRA start passing legislation!!?" Naive, much?

n/t

[bossy22]

7. last time i checked

congress passed the legislation- the NRA might have lobbied for it- but the final decision still rests with the legislatures

ever here of the saying "the buck stops here"

[villager]

10. Last time I checked, you couldn't be bothered with even a word of empathy or sympathy

for the shooting victims or their families.

Just the usual rhetorical feints and parries to protect your beloved, thoroughly fetishized guns.

[bossy22]

13. if posting on a forum

is considered the litmus test for empathy/sympathy- well then count me out...I'm sorry if i don't see the point in posting my sympathy's at every turn. that doesnt mean i have sympathy for the families and the individuals- i do- but i keep it to myself

I don't know sometimes...maybe its that i have seen more death in my young life than anyone should see in there entire life- but i shouldnt really complain- i made the choice- but personally, im not a fan of pity parties- i find them disingenous.

[villager]

20. Nah -- you wouldn't see the point in any "context" for a gun argument.

n/t

[bossy22]

22. reading glasses eh?

your post is irrelevant to my post

[villager]

23. huh?

Oh never mind -- easiest thing for you is the ignore list.

[Spoonman]

15. You have NO CLUE

what empathy or sympathy I have expressed for the families of the TWO CLOSE, CLOSE, CLOSE friends I have lost due to the violent actions of CRIMINALS.

I just happen to be mature enough and logical enough to blame the fucking criminal, not the gun.

[villager]

19. Or you happened to be in denial. then again, my remarks weren't directed at you.

Though that doesn't change the general callousness this forum has to the victims of gun violence.

[iverglas]

21. congratulations!!!!!

I just happen to be mature enough and logical enough to blame the fucking criminal, not the gun.

Hell, one might almost think there was a reason for saying that.

Surely you aren't still so illogical as to think someone else had blamed a gun, or so immature as to insinuate that even though you know it isn't true?

[villager]

24. Is it your maturity that drives you to shout in your posts here?

Is it your maturity that drives you to insist others are immature, and only you are the wise, all-seeing one?

Just, you know, curious.

[iverglas]

26. might I suspect

that you weren't talking to me?

[villager]

27. Hell, I thought you were talking to *me*. If not, fergit it, etc.

threads in this sub-forum always spin out of control (unless there's lockstep agreement with NRA talking points), attacks substitute for discussion, the name-calling invariably breaks out, etc.

It all gets wearying and dispiriting, really. So, if the mistake was mine, amends, etc.

[iverglas]

28. me,

I was talkin to the allegedly mature shouter. ;)

No bone to pick with you! No amends needed, just wanted to be sure.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. I'm the only one who included a word of sympathy, including you.

You and zanne use these victims as a punch line and you both ought to be ashamed.

David

[zanne]

11. Thanks, villager. nt

[Spoonman]

8. Pretty Pathetic

I recall a statement you once made -

"You seem to equate kindness and compassion with weakness. Actually, those things have more to do with strength."

But here you are blaming a dead man and inanimate objects for criminal acts and accidents.

"Charlton Heston's legacy"

Don't ever question me again about kindness and compassion until you learn what those two words mean.

[zanne]

9. Spoonman; eloquent as ever.

A dead man who urged people to buy more guns and worked for a gun lobby. He is indirectly responsible for perhaps thousands of gun deaths.

I'm glad you recalled something I once told you, though. Maybe you're learning.

[bossy22]

12. or a dead man

who fought for gun owners rights against emotional arguements

im not choosing sides but people look at it differently

[Spoonman]

14. Apply Your Logic

To the thousands of everyday people who manufacture firearms and ammo.

Yeah, they are so responsible too!

Oh, lets not forget all those auto and distillery workers, they are "responsible" for the THOUSANDS of drunk driving fatalities that occur every year.

Shit while we're at it, lets include all those people that do the ads on teevee and magazines for the manufacturers.

etc, etc, etc. Some logic you have there Zanne, and maybe your not learning.

You obviously don't believe in what you post.

[zanne]

16. Give it up, Spoonman. nt

[Spoonman]

17. Give what up?

I'm not the one looking like a two faced ass.

[zanne]

18. Watch your language.

Then look up "DU Rules".

[benEzra]

25. ...and in the two days since your last press-release crosspost...

several guns sat peacefully in a safe in benEzra's house, and didn't kill anyone, didn't threaten to kill anyone, didn't go off by accident, and didn't make anyone except Paul Helmke cry.



In other news, several hundred thousand people once again went shooting this week and didn't harm anybody, and ~80 million gun owners, 35 to 40 percent of U.S. households, and a quarter to a third of U.S. Dems and indies managed to survive another week with guns in their homes. OMG.





The Conservative Roots of U.S. Gun Control

[Boomer 50]

29. I have just one question

You post these "shooting gallery" posts claiming a high death rate from firearms. Have you looked into murders committed without the use of firearms on a per date basis? I googled some dates at random for homicides and found a lot that were non firearm related. There were quite a few with cars, knives, bats, and even musical instruments.

What is your take on this?

[villager]

32. Yes, those throwing Ninja star murders are out of control, here in L.A.!

n/t

[benEzra]

33. There are a lot more edged weapon murders than "assault weapon" murders, though. (n/t)

[villager]

34. But not more than gun murders, eh? Hey, and what about piano wire!

n/t

[Boomer 50]

35. But there are more blunt trauma murders

and homicides (justifiable or not) than deaths by firearms. There are more suicides by razor blades and prescription drugs than by firearms.

My point is this. No matter if guns are there or not, malicious intent is the cause. Not the tool used. Britain banned firearms, now they are restricting knives, clubs, and other instruments because crimes using these items has skyrocketed. Their crime rate is higher now than before their gun ban. Why? No fear. The criminals have very little to fear from their unarmed victims. They can comfortably use other things as weapons. I wonder how long the stupidity will last over there. I'm surprised that the Brits haven't revolted yet.

[villager]

36. than *all* deaths by firearms? Since you seem to be conflating here.

n/t

[Boomer 50]

37. allow me to clarify

I speak of willful homicide, intentional or unintentional. It's kinda unlikely to find many suicides by blunt force trauma since it's kind of a nasty way to go.

[villager]

38. so your unsourced claim is that all first & second degree homicides,

and all manslaughter deaths by firearms, are exceeded by... knife deaths?

And you don't just mean "in a production of 'West Side Story?'"

[Boomer 50]

39. Um, no, read my post

I said blunt trauma. A knife wound is not blunt trauma. Being hit in the head by a baseball bat is blunt trauma, being hit by a tire iron is blunt trauma. Being stabbed by a knife is a laceration.

[villager]

40. I guess your confreres have talked about "edged instruments." Still, though: unsourced.

n/t

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[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. Thoughts and Prayers to the families of the lost.

I hope the criminals who committed most of these acts are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

David