Oh Canada

[iiibbb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJggEvIlsJ4

[iverglas]

1. it's spelled

O!

Damn, I haven't been able to get youtube to play for a couple of days. Start, stoooopppp, start, stoooppppp. I'm sure this 13-yr-old has many words of wisdom I'll want to hear, but I just can't hear 'em right now. Damn.

Yes, I especially want to view that one on rape prevention. By a 13-yr-old. Yes indeed.

Oh, here she is trying to pronounce Garry Breitkreuz's name. Isn't that cute.

Gosh. I hope she'll tell us all about Breitkreuz's filthy right-wing views on women's reproductive rights. I really wanna know what a 13-yr-old has to say on that, too.


Which barrel were you scraping the bottom of here? Or did you just think we'd all enjoy watching a 13-yr-old blonde female child bounce around in front of her webcam?


Viewer comments:

"she turns me on big time!"
"shes hot"
"Ah, I'm not that deep. I just want to bend her over and say howdy do."

Appeals to an educated and informed audience, she does.

There's just nothing quite so charming as a pompous, self-impressed 13-yr-old, especially when it's a right-wing one.


typo, fixed

[tucsonlib]

2. Re: There's just nothing quite so charming as a pompous, self-impressed 13-yr-old.

Agreed! shes hot

:loveya:

[iverglas]

4. well

Too bad we didn't meet ... er ... that many years ago then, eh? Of course, my glasses were black and pointy with rhinestones, or maybe big and square and tortoiseshell by then, and the hair was a tad mouser, but longer -- but I was reasonably pompous and self-impressed. Probably would have done in a pinch!

Only when I was finished preparing the Sunday School lessons, of course.

[Boomer 50]

7. Hey question for you......

What is going on with the body parts being found near Toronto? Is it from an accident or a murderer or what? I've seen little blurbs on the news but nothing expansive beyond minor speculation.

Thanks

[iverglas]

8. well actually

It's on Vancouver Island. You know, way way on the west coast of the continent? ;)

And yes, it's totally fookin bizarre. For those not in the know: four feet: human, right foot, size 12, in running shoes.

The fifth one that you probably just heard about has turned out to be a hoax. Somebody took a left foot running shoe, put a sock with some animal bones inside, packed it with seaweed and left it on the beach. The families of some people who went down in a small plane in the ocean near that area recently were distraught, having thought that this might be a body part of one of them, and it turning out to be a hoax. Pretty nasty.

I just haven't heard any official / reasonable speculation about what those four feet are. The only thing I might speculate would be that some unfortunate stowaways or other trafficked / smuggled human cargo were disposed of or dropped off, off the shore.

[Boomer 50]

10. That's totally messed up

CNN wasn't clear on where it was... they just mentioned Vancouver.

Thanks.

[iverglas]

11. (but you said Toronto)

Just fyi, I was one out. The hoax would have been number six, not five. This is a report from after the sixth was found and before it was determined to be a hoax:

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=a28ae8e0-5221-400a-b63a-db13f3c7d49e

There is no shortage of theories about what is behind the appearance of the feet.

Prof. Kurt Grimm, who teaches earth and ocean science at the University of B.C., said it's unlikely the feet are washing in from the Pacific Ocean. Rather, they're probably originating from B.C. waters. "It's extremely unlikely that they're coming from the outside," he said. Grimm said the six feet, all encased in buoyant sneakers, have either come from the strait or the Fraser River, which empties into the strait.

... Curtis Ebbesmeyer, a U.S. authority on ocean currents and drifting objects, said a disarticulated foot could float for up to 1,600 kilometres in a buoyant sneaker.

[Boomer 50]

13. Oops... my bad

I mean Toronto. Was watching a show based in Vancouver when I was typing that.

Years ago, we had an incident where human digits such as toes and fingers were being found along a river in Virginia. Nine digits in all were found but no clue where they came from or how they got there. All nine were confirmed to come from different people.

There are some truly sick people out there, even to hoax the one shoe incident is sick. I hope that the case up there is solved quickly.

[iverglas]

21. an update

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/07/19/6206896-cp.html

July 19, 2008
Severed foot linked to missing man: RCMP

... Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre said the foot in question was linked to the man through DNA testing.

"The major crime investigators were able to notify a family that one of the found feet was a match with their familial DNA," he said.

<he refers to the family's "demands", a crap translation on his part, which should say "requests">

... Lemaitre would not comment on reports that a U.S. coroner in Washington State's San Juan Islands had found a footless body in his care.

San Juan County coroner Randy Gaylord said a hiker found the remains of an as-yet unidentified man on Orcas Island in Puget Sound in March 2007.

... Pathologist Dr. John Butt said shortly after the fifth foot was found that the reason the feet were discovered at all is because they were tightly laced in buoyant running shoes.

[iverglas]

3. this is fucking sad

google "katey montague". This child is the pin-up puppet for her father's obsession.

http://diarmani.com/Articles/Armani/Bruce%20Montague%20Case%20Sentencing%20Update.htm

Bruce Montague's sentencing hearing on 26 firearms-related charges completed March 18, 2006 with Justice John Wright sentencing Bruce Montague to 18 months in jail. Bruce's wife Donna Montague was found innocent of careless storage, and was given six months probation for owning firearms without a license.

Lawyer Douglas Christie argued that Montague should be sentenced similar to Ryerson Knight, the Victoria gun collector who pled guilty to 19 firearms charges after a search of his home yielded 662 firearms. The majority of Knight's firearms were pre-1950 military arms, and included handguns, fully-automatic firearms, tear-gas grenades, and silencers. Knight received a conditional sentence of two years less a day, of which the first nine months is being served under house arrest.

Okay. Now google "douglas christie". (You'll probably have better luck winnowing results if you use google.ca and select pages in Canada.)

Doug Christie is the vile piece of right-wing filth who has defended every vile piece of right-wing filth to need legal representation in Canada in the last decade or two. And listen. We're talking: Vile. Right-wing. Filth.

We're talking fucking ERNST ZUNDEL. We're talking fucking JIM KEEGSTRA. We're talking fucking NAZIs.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/christie.doug/ftp.py?people/c/christie.doug//bigotrys-fellow-travellers

Another example of an organization which fits into this category is the Canadian Freedom of Speech League. It lists as general counsel none other than Doug Christie, the lawyer acting for Keegstra, Zundel, Taylor, and Ross. The editor and publisher of its newsletter _Friends of Freedom_ is a close Christie associate. Like Fromm's C.A.F.E., this organization promotes an agenda aimed at undermining our multicultural democracy under the cover of freedom of expression.

(Hmm. That sounds familiar. I wonder who was just saying just about exactly that ...)


Montague is our own private equivalent of the Michigan Militia.

So now we know which barrel you were scraping the bottom of.

And my dears, this really is just shooting fish in a barrel. But it's fun, nonetheless.

Both the pre-sentencing report created by Bert Sombrutsku and Justice Wright's sentencing report made a point of chastising Mr. Montague for "using" his daughter to promote his ideas in the series of YouTube videos entitled Katey's Firearms Facts.

The pre-sentence report says: "To publicly assert his ideas via the internet, using his daughter, may be considered as being exploitative..." In his sentencing report Justice Wright stated: "He has also exercised poor taste in involving his young daughter in his campaign for the right to bear arms."

No shit.


edit: these are the tags on Katey Montague's video linked to in this thread:

david miller handgun ban firearms gun registration self-defense Katey Montague blonde girl hottie

And that is beyond sad. Pimping his 13-yr-old daughter for guns.

[iverglas]

14. but just too much fun

You turn over a post in the Guns forum, and out crawls the racist far right wing.

Daddy dearest's lawyer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Christie_(lawyer)

Christie's advocacy on behalf of Keegstra and Zündel has led to him acting as legal counsel in a number of notable cases involving far-right figures including:

* Ernst Zundel
* Terry Long, former leader of the Aryan Nations in Canada;
* Malcolm Ross of New Brunswick who, like Keegstra, was a teacher fired for anti-Semitic activity;
* three alleged leaders of the Ku Klux Klan in Manitoba;
* Rudy Stanko of the World Church of the Creator;
* Tony McAleer after he was charged with broadcasting hate speech over the phone and online;
* John Ross Taylor of the Western Guard Party and Aryan Nations;
* Imre Finta who was alleged to be a Nazi war criminal and collaborator (see R. v. Finta);
* Doug Collins, a late newspaper columnist brought before the British Columbia Human Rights Commission for antisemitic and racist comments;
* Paul Fromm, head of the far-right "Citizens for Foreign Aid Reform" and "Canadians for Freedom of Expression", and participant in neo-Nazi and racist gatherings, who was fired from his job as a teacher for his political activity;
* Lady Jane Birdwood, a British follower of Oswald Mosley and distributor of hate propaganda;
* Wolfgang Droege of the Heritage Front;
* David Ahenakew, who has acknowledged making antisemitic comments in a 2002 interview with the Saskatoon StarPhoenix

(Ahenakew's sad anti-Semitism lost any hope of just looking drunk/moronic once he hired Christie)

Law Society of Upper Canada

The Law Society of Upper Canada looked into disciplining Christie for his conduct during the Imre Finta trial. The Society's discipline chair, Harvey Strosberg, declined to issue a complaint against Christie but stressed that Christie's remarks during the trial "clearly disclose that he has crossed the line separating counsel from client: he has made common cause with a small, lunatic, anti-Semitic fringe element in our society. We know who Mr. Christie is. Suffering Mr. Christie's words and opinions is part of the price one pays for upholding and cherishing freedom of speech in a free and democratic society. And society must be willing to accept this price. Mr. Christie's anti-Semitic comments were not akin to the cry of fire in a crowded theatre. His theatre was mostly empty."

We know who Doug Christie is, and we know who his clients are.

[iverglas]

15. out they slither

By the way, by way of explanation of an earlier point referencing another of Doug Christie's clients:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ahenakew

David Ahenakew (born July 28, 1933) is a Canadian First Nations politician, and former National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations.

He returned to national and international attention in December 2002, after telling a reporter from the Saskatoon StarPhoenix that Jews were a disease and that Hitler was trying to "clean up the world" when he "fried six million of those guys."

In connection with the remarks, which were made on tape with his knowledge, Ahenakew was convicted on July 8, 2005 of willfully promoting hatred against Jews, and was fined $1,000. On June 8, 2006, the decision was overturned by the Saskatchewan Court of Queen's Bench on the grounds that the trial judge failed to properly take into consideration that the remarks were uttered in the midst of an angry confrontation with a reporter, and therefore may not have constituted a "willful" promotion of hatred. A new trial was ordered.

On July 11, 2005, he was stripped of the Order of Canada, which he received in 1978 for his work in advancing Indian education. He is only the second person, after Alan Eagleson, to have lost the honour.

I referenced this next site a while back to make a point, and some cretin suggested that I spend my time reading such sites. I google, and I take what I find where I find it. Not my fault if Bruce Montague was a cause célèbre on Stormfront. But I offer google's cached version so no one has to sully his/her own cache:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:QG1p0gb1ZUQJ:www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/doug-christie-leads-charter-challenge-385655.html+%22doug+christie%22+montague&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ca

If it doesn't work, just google

"doug christie" montague

It's number one on the hit list. The opening article was posted by Paul Fromm "Friend of Stormfront" Sustaining Member.

Doug Christie Leads Charter Challenge to Gun Laws

Dear Free Speech Supporter:

One of Canada’s foremost free speech lawyers, Douglas H, Christie, has shown himself into a major challenge to Canada’s super restrictive gun control and confiscation laws. “Firearms activist Bruce Montague has hired Victoria lawyer Doug Christie –… to represent him in his fight against the federal Firearms Act.

Montague, who dismissed Toronto lawyer Calvin Martin a little over one week into his constitutional challenge of Canadian firearms legislation in Kenora Superior Court on March 20, had been given four months by Justice John Wright to find a new lawyer and continue the hearing.

... Montague also noted he is pleased Christie is a devout Christian, since much of his argument in his Charter challenge is based on his own Christian beliefs and values.

“It’s easier to argue and represent me if you understand where I’m coming from,” said Montague.
Montague is charged with 53 counts of weapons-related offences, including the unauthorized possession and careless storage of non-restricted firearms, explosives and restricted firearms.

I'll bet you didn't know we had fundie gunhead bigots up here.

It just gets better ...

Keep in mind White people are being arrested and denied the right of any defence. Disarmed so they can offer no resistance to the traitors running Canada. And apparently prepared for soon to come slaughter.

But the Government provides free guns and ammunition to Indians. (This is a perfect legal argument, a race differential) Armed to the teeth as part of “treaty clauses.” They have little or no testing or requirements for their weapons. They don’t even have to register weapons. Personally, I don’t see how an AK47 reflects or protects aboriginal culture, but then I am not a liberal.
<Actually, he's obviously not a person with an IQ above 37.>

Hummm, disarm one population (whites) and arm the other (indians). Genocide in the making?

You betcha, baby boy.


And of course it's always nice to see Garry Breitkreuz, MP, rubbling elbows with the neo-Nazis:

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2007/872.htm

Preparations for the trial have been increasing in intensity since constitutional lawyer Doug Christie joined the case in March.

After meeting for two days with Doug Christie in Victoria this past July, Bruce and the entire case management team have been busy researching many aspects of the case, including court precedents supporting Canadians' right to own firearms.

The constitutional trial is scheduled to last a week, but given the Crown's endless jockeying for position the last time out, it's anyone's guess whether five days will be enough.

Christie is confident that he has all the legal tools necessary to fight this battle. While preparations continue to intensify as the court date approaches, Bruce is glad this day is finally here.

No shame. Just no shame.

Anybody here got any shame?

[iverglas]

5. daddy dearest

Unfortunately, I can't find an original source for this. You just wouldn't believe how much of shit nobody gave up here. I'd never heard the tale.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/005514.html

Bruce Montague: poster child of reasonable dissent

OPP say Officers found in excess of 100 firearms, 25,000 rounds of ammunition, over capacity magazines, silencers, semi-automatic assault rifles including one which was loaded with a barrel-mounted laser sight and silencer, an Uzi submachine gun and two sawed off shotguns.

Hero of our own homegrown gun militants. All 22 of them.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Have any of these people committed any crimes

other than posession of apparently proscribed firearms and accessories? Just curious.
A significant amount of that stuff would be illegal here in the US, felony charges too.

[iverglas]

9. I looked and looked

The only things I can find about "bruce montague" are the work of himself, his friends or his fellow-travellers.

As far as I know, all of the offences charged related to illegal possession of firearms. And yes, there were indeed some way off the bell curve things in that stash.

Hiring Doug Christie should be a crime, of course.

[iverglas]

12. no bows?

One might have thought you'd rejoin us for a curtain call, for the excellent trail of neo-Nazis you started us out on there.

Was there a prize for figuring it out?

Start at young blonde hottie ... end up at nest of neo-Nazis ...


typo,typo,typo

[iverglas]

16. come on, iiibbb

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=172118&mesg_id=172239

iiibbb
Mon May-19-08 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
57. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"


Is Doug Christie your friend? Are illegal-gun-hoarding, right-wing "Christian" fundies your friends?

Do you approve of 13-yr-olds being sexualized for the use of illegal-gun-hoarding, right-wing "Christian" fundies to advance their ultra-right-wing agenda?

Do you have a little shame? Will you apologize for this (hopefully inadvertent) effort to advance their agenda here at DU?

[bk425]

17. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

"(1)Is Doug Christie your friend? Are illegal-gun-hoarding, right-wing "Christian" fundies your friends?
(2) Do you approve of 13-yr-olds being sexualized for the use of illegal-gun-hoarding, right-wing "Christian" fundies to advance their ultra-right-wing agenda?
(3) Do you have a little shame? Will you apologize for this (hopefully inadvertent) effort to advance their agenda here at DU?"

1- How is your first question relevant? Other then your claim that Bruce Montague is a clone of his lawyer, what evidence do we have that they're the same? Or was that just poisoning the well?
2- Do you know that this 13 year old is "sexualized" (and what is that)? The clothes she wears in her videos are similar to what I see 13 year olds in Seattle wear, no gold lame bikinis that I saw... and no word here on if her clothing suddenly changed when her father was hauled off to prison on what are essentially (mostly) paperwork charges. Only ONE of the guns mentioned in the links here might be illegal in some states; the "submachinegun" (although iirc ~20 states allow fully automatic firearms...).
The individual right to keep and bear arms may seem "ultra right wing" to you but there are a lot of Democrats who don't see that civil right so negatively.
3- The individual right to keep and bear arms is ethically linked with both the right to self defense and the (Lockeian) right to property. All of the bill of rights should be advanced everywhere all of the time, not just the portions you find palatable. bk425

[iverglas]

18. my fan club!!

Welcome, welcome. Just give me your address, and I'll send the autographed pic.


Is Doug Christie your friend? Are illegal-gun-hoarding, right-wing "Christian" fundies your friends?
How is your first question relevant? Other then your claim that Bruce Montague is a clone of his lawyer, what evidence do we have that they're the same? Or was that just poisoning the well?

Ah, tweren't me what poisoned that well. That well is the source of so much filth one couldn't begin to list it all. If you want to believe that a decent human being would retain Doug Christie to clean his shoes, you go right ahead. You may be fooling yourself, but you won't be fooling anyone with a clue.


Do you approve of 13-yr-olds being sexualized for the use of illegal-gun-hoarding, right-wing "Christian" fundies to advance their ultra-right-wing agenda?
Do you know that this 13 year old is "sexualized" (and what is that)? The clothes she wears in her videos are similar to what I see 13 year olds in Seattle wear, no gold lame bikinis that I saw... and no word here on if her clothing suddenly changed when her father was hauled off to prison on what are essentially (mostly) paperwork charges.

You know, if you're going to advance in the fan club, you need to be able to quote my every word. Right here in this thread, we have these:

these are the tags on Katey Montague's video linked to in this thread:

david miller handgun ban firearms gun registration self-defense
Katey Montague blonde girl hottie

See? Those are the youtube tags on the video, placed there by the person who posted the video. "Blonde girl hottie". She was 13 when she made the video, I believe. Can you connect the dots?


Only ONE of the guns mentioned in the links here might be illegal in some states; the "submachinegun" (although iirc ~20 states allow fully automatic firearms...).

So. What the fuck are you talking about? Canada doesn't have states, let alone 20 of them. I scratch my head.


The individual right to keep and bear arms may seem "ultra right wing" to you but there are a lot of Democrats who don't see that civil right so negatively.

If you want to discuss "the individual right to keep and bear arms", you feel right free to do so. You might want to find a post of mine to reply to in which this would be relevant, of course.

Or you can just keep playing with your straw soldiers!


Do you have a little shame? Will you apologize for this (hopefully inadvertent) effort to advance their agenda here at DU?
The individual right to keep and bear arms is ethically linked with both the right to self defense and the (Lockeian) right to property. All of the bill of rights should be advanced everywhere all of the time, not just the portions you find palatable. bk425

You really didn't read the title of the thread, did you?

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Those videos are creepy as hell.

And he's ripping off Oleg Volk's image-macro'd photography.

This is just nasty, look at that barrel wobble:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BiT2gsqdY4&feature=related
Wonder if that's her dad's voice, threatening to rape her.


Ick.

[iverglas]

20. I'd managed to avoid any of the others

You made me look.

Ew.

[Tejas]

22. bringing a keyboard to a catfight

Wow, the jealousy shown towards a 14yr old girl here is hilarious. Speaks volumes about the insecurities hidden behind some monickers. Maybe those lacking in any real debate points on the issues presented by the 14yr old will confine themselves to answering their own tangental posts at least once or twice.

oh wait.....

:rofl:

[iverglas]

23. gee

I don't think I'd had call to use the word 'misogynist' yet today.

Ta, eh?

[Tejas]

24. Nothing like

hating on a 14yr old girl, eh?

[Tejas]

25. Especially one that

can express actual knowledge about firearms and the laws that govern them.



edit to add: eh?

[tucsonlib]

26. I Think I Speak For the Majority Here When I Say...

.. I love guns, 13 year-old Hotties and anything else I have the right to own as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. You Canucks are jealous of our Freedoms. Just like those terrists!

[iverglas]

27. we Canucks are a jealous lot

especially when it comes to this 13-yr-old Hottie luvvin.

[tucsonlib]

28. Knew it.

Eat yer hearts out....

[iverglas]

29. but hm

We seem to have the 13-yr-old Hottie you covet.

Among other things.

Like ... poutine. And beavertails. You're gagging for them, I know it.

And Super Manège! And no, that isn't what it sounds like to the unschooled southern ear. No 13-yr-old Hotties involved. Not fer you, anyhow.