What a HAPPY DAY!

[SlipperySlope]

Jun 26, 2008 - I LOVE IT!

[FunkyLeprechaun]

1. Why?

It's a very sad day for individual safety.

[Boomer 50]

2. Only where the criminals are concerned.....

and the gun grabbers. The violent crime rate in DC will go down now. Just watch.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

4. Oh really?

So if anyone is pissed off with their politician, should that give them the right to carry a gun to DC? Eh?

You really don't understand why this is terrible for DC on a whole.

[MicaelS]

10. Washington DC

Has been little more than a third world shithole for the last 30 years. I'm ashamed and always have been that city is the capital of our country.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

17. Well then...

ANOTHER thing to be ashamed of.

[MyRV9]

12. What?

>>So if anyone is pissed off with their politician, should that give them the right to carry a gun to DC? Eh? <<

Why are you making things up? Nothing about this ruling has anything to do with carrying guns in D.C. It has to do with having licensed handguns in your home.


>>You really don't understand why this is terrible for DC on a whole. <<

Why? What about citizens being allowed to have guns in their homes is bad for D.C. ? The gun murder rate is exactly what it was before the ban was enacted - clearly the ban didn't help - why is repealing it going to hurt

[FunkyLeprechaun]

16. I lived in a city where concealed weapons is allowed

Every single workplace in the city has banned it. The only place where you could have CC is on the street or in a bar.

The lifting of the ban will make things so much worse. Just you wait and see.

Yes if you feel the need to save this post in order to make me "wrong" sure go ahead.

[MicaelS]

19. Absolute, complete and utter bullshit.....

That is EXACTLY the same rhetoric that has been used over the last 20 years against the CCW movement.

"There will be river of blood in the streets, and people having shootouts over parking places and fender benders."

It was all lies then, and it all lies now.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

21. Oh really?

Crime has gone up in my city because of allowing CCWs.

It pisses me off that doctors have to look out for their safety. I can't believe that Rochester was once the No. 1 city at one time.

[MicaelS]

22. Bullshit again...

Unless you can provide HARD data. Let's see you post the crime statistics from the last 20 years BEFORE CCW and since.

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[bossy22]

29. if you are talking about

Rochester, NY- well then you obviously dont live there- NYS is a may-issue state- in fact CCW has been around in MY (NY) state for over 100 years- its nothing new

but im not surprised if you dont live in Rochester, your profile says you are from the UK

[Tejas]

32. another Bradyite simply talking out of their........ n/t

[MyRV9]

20. B.S.

>>The lifting of the ban will make things so much worse. Just you wait and see.<<

What a load of horseshit. Enacting the ban 30 years ago didn't reduce handgun crime and striking it down now won't increase crime. I tell you what /will/ increase: Handgun deaths of burglars and robbers. Yay!

[bossy22]

23. this decision does not have anything to do

with restrictions on concealed weapons- it has to do with an outright prohibition on working firarms in the home for self defense

[Spoonman]

24. In bar?

Bullshit!

[gorfle]

39. A bad move?

Every single workplace in the city has banned it. The only place where you could have CC is on the street or in a bar.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I believe owners of private property should be able to say whether or not they want to allow firearms onto their property.

On the other hand, private property or no, if you operate a business that is "open to the public", the owner does have some obligation to accommodate the public's needs, such as providing handicapped-accessible parking, access, and bathroom facilities.

I believe if you operate a business that is open to the general public, and that locality allows, by law, concealed carry permit holders to carry firearms in public, then they should be able to carry in those "public" places even if they are private property.

I have a couple of reasons for this.

Firstly, it makes little sense that I can legitimately walk down the street outside of McDonald's with a firearm, but if I step inside of the store somehow I am less trustworthy.

Secondly, such prohibitions are essentially random. If I am a CCW permit holder and I decide to go out shopping for the day, if I stop at places where I am not allowed to carry my firearm I have realy only two options - leave it unattended in the car, which is dangerous, or just carry anyway and hope nobody notices.

The lifting of the ban will make things so much worse. Just you wait and see.

While the Heller case does not apply to concealed carry, you may be interested in learning that in every state where concealed carry has been implemented the crime rate has gone down.

[iverglas]

26. bookmarked

If you can tell us your timeframe and how much you're betting, we'll be able to BF the post.

Let us know how much you have riding on it too now, 'k?

Oh, and don't forget to provide us with the plan for controlling for other factors that you intend to implement when you do your study ...

[Tejas]

30. some fools will take any bet

Though murder rates dropped in states that adopted even CCW, some will still harp that impending doom is just around the corner.

beat that dog!

:rofl:

[MicaelS]

3. Really?

SCOtUS has held they YOU are responsible for your INDIVIDUAL safety. Law Enforcement only guarantees society at large.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

5. Tell that to the politicians

Who now have to protect themselves even more.

Hmmph. I don't think anyone understands the gravity of this lifting of the ban.

[MicaelS]

6. Oh spare me....

Every time there has been a major decision of this importance the losing side has claimed the sky is falling and the world is coming to and end. Well guess what, neither has happened.

[AtheistCrusader]

7. Sure I do.

Washington DC residents will now be treated like any other citizen in the country. You know, like citizens.

[Tejas]

31. and hopefully treated

like human beings, instead of a lesser form of life as they have been under Fenty's iron fist.

[bossy22]

8. yes

cause criminals will now be rushing to register their guns

what will happen is the crime rate will stay the same- and it will be realized that the DC gun ban did absolutely nothing to decrease or increase crime

and chicago will realize that also

[tburnsten]

38. Then maybe they will actually attempt

to combat crime, instead of just blaming everyone else in the world for their problems. Probably not though, that would defy their M.O. I hope Daley permanently leaves public office soon, his corruption has done nothing but spread.

[Spoonman]

13. Gravity is an excellent word to use.

But you are wrong about "anyone understanding" gravity.

Crime will FALL!

[slackmaster]

14. There is far more comedy than gravity in the lifting of the ban

It really won't make any difference in crime rates in DC. Most people who live there can't even afford a handgun, and of those who can maybe a few thousand will buy and register handguns.

They aren't the people we need to worry about. The ones we do need to worry about, violent criminals, never abided by the ban anyway.

[MyRV9]

15. Why are...

>>Who now have to protect themselves even more<<

Why are politicians going to have to protect themselves from law-abiding citizens who have guns in their homes? The criminals already have guns, as evidenced by the crime rate.

What is go "grave" about lifting the ban? Specifics would be appreciated by all.

[tburnsten]

37. Oh my cheeses! Not the safety of the politicians!

Guess what, politicians deserve exactly 0% more protection than any other citizen in good standing, and how does striking down the total ban on in-home handgun ownership in D.C. have anything to do with the safety of politicians anyway? I don't recall the ruling stating that residents are now entitled to fire salvos and volleys at the Capitol Building, or that political figures are now open season all year long, but maybe I just skipped over that bit. Care to explain yourself, or is this just your little imagination running wild on you? Why don't you get out and try shooting sometime, it is quite fun and many ranges rent handguns so people can try them on.

[gorfle]

40. Tell me...

Tell that to the politicians Who now have to protect themselves even more.

Tell me how are politicians, who are never inside my home, going to be impacted by me keeping a gun in my home?

[bossy22]

9. you can make that arguement about any constitutional amendment

a ruling upholding limited search and seizures limits law enforcements ability to stop criminals- so indirectly increasing the danger on your streets

but i doubt anyone on DU would cry over that such ruling

[gorfle]

11. But a happy day for essential liberty!

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Do not mourn to heavily for safety when the gain was to our essential liberty.

[krispos42]

18. Yeah, people keep saying that

It has yet to be proven true.


DC doesn't, and won't have to, issue concealed-pistol permits. However, the odds of burglars and home invaders having the business end of a gun being pointed at them has now gone up drastically.

In short, if you aren't breaking into somebody's house, you won't notice any difference.

[catdaddy1]

28. So TRUE

<Quote> It has yet to be proven true.


DC doesn't, and won't have to, issue concealed-pistol permits. However, the odds of burglars and home invaders having the business end of a gun being pointed at them has now gone up drastically.

In short, if you aren't breaking into somebody's house, you won't notice any difference.</Quote>

This person is right.

[catdaddy1]

27. It's a very good day for individual safety.

Why is it sad for a responsible american to have the ability to protect oneself from physical danger?

[tburnsten]

36. Really? It's a fantastic day for MY safety!

[Tejas]

33. It'll make this 4th all the more special! n/t

[radioburning]

34. A great day! Now we need Heller v. Kalifornia! n/t

[Tejas]

35. Feinstein

"I remember both Justice Roberts and Justice Alito sitting in front of us and indicating how they would respect state decisis and precedent – and this decision takes down 70 years of precedent."


Guess she didn't get the memo about her state's precedent being draconian, therefor they showed her just how much respect to expect when it hits the fan in San Fransisco. Hopefully it won't be long before she picks up on that clue.

:rofl: