Outraged Daley vows to defend Chicago gun law

[beevul]

Outraged Daley vows to defend Chicago gun law

June 26, 2008

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter/[e-mail]

An "outraged" Mayor Daley this morning denounced a U.S. Supreme Court ruling overturning Washington D.C.'s handgun ban as a "frightening decision" and a "return to the days of the Wild West."

Daley predicted that Chicago's 1982 handgun freeze would be next in the crosshairs of the powerful gun lobby and that gun violence will surge if they'e successful.

The mayor said he would vigorously defend Chicago's ordinance, in spite of what he called the dangerous precedent set by the nation's highest court.

"This is a very frightening decision for America. …Does this lead to everyone having a gun in our society? If they think that's the answer, then they're greatly mistaken. Then, why don't we do away with the court system and go back to the Old West? You have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle in the streets," Daley told reporters at Navy Pier.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1026348,daleygun062608.article

By the look on his face, and the sound of his voice on the teevee, Daley is LIVID.

All kinds of hyperbolie, is what hes spewing to the media.


I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a small amount of satisfaction out of the squirming and outrage on his part, and on the part of a few others. At one press conference this morning, Helmke looked as if he was going to be physically sick.


Seems they don't like the way that the shoe fits now that its their own feet that are tightly laced into it.

[villager]

1. your inability to be gracious even in victory is exactly typical of stunted, gun worshippers.

And no surprise at all. Alas.

[Spoonman]

4. Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle

Sore winner and sore looser?

[slackmaster]

5. It's much more fun to be ungracious in victory than to be a sore loser

:hi:

[beevul]

7. Really?

How gracious were you when the original assault weapons ban passed?

How gracious have you yourself been to those of us here on DU that have been fighting against you and your so called "reasonable regulation"?

I'm entirely capable of being gracious, but there are a few that entirely do not deserve it. Daley is one such example.

Unless and until you hold YOURSELF to the standard you just criticised me for not holding, your words mean nothing.



On edit: I thought about it for a minute, and I realised what a complete and utter joke it was, to have you who are among a small handful of the most insulting demeaning degrading people from the other side of the issue dare mutter the word gracious. Look in the mirror.

[SteveM]

13. I very graciously accept your concession! (nt)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. At least villager had the guts to show her face.

Even if it was to be condescending and criticize. At lot of posters seem to be missing today. I wonder why?

David

[east texas lib]

26. Hmmm...

Probably still in shock from massive blunt force reality trauma. They'll be back as soon as they
recover, never fear!;-)

[Tejas]

31. correct, and

by the way, get used to it!


:rofl:

[krispos42]

32. Anti-gun militants have an inability to be gracious, period.

But relax, Villager. This ruling does not affect any law in California at all. So you can sit in your state, surrounded by some of the strictest gun laws in the country, all smug and happy.

[beevul]

33. Yet, Krispos, yet.

"This ruling does not affect any law in California at all."

This ruling does not affect any law in California at all - YET.

Suit was filed against SF I thought, in the "no guns allowed in public housing" context.

[krispos42]

34. SanFran has a law like that?

Hmph, didn't know that. Well, then, I guess I need to correct myself.

If memory serves, Villager is in the Los Angeles area. So that means that no law within 400 miles of Villager's house will be changed.

[beevul]

35. Yeah, I didn't know either til yesterday...

Heres USAtodays story on it:

NRA sues S.F. to overturn gun ban in public housing


A day after the Supreme Court struck down Washington's gun ban, the National Rifle Associated sued to overturn a San Francisco law prohibiting firearms in the city's public housing projects. It also plans to file similar lawsuits in Chicago and its suburbs.

The Associated Press reports that an unidentified gay gun owner joined the NRA's lawsuit on Friday, arguing he keeps a weapon to defend himself from "sexual orientation hate crimes."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/06/nra-sues-sf-to.html

I imagine, with things going the way they are, we'll be hearing this sort of thing about quite a few places we didn't even know had such measures.

[radioburning]

36. I guarantee you if it had gone the other way you anti's wouldn't be half as gracious.

I've posted on here before about the level of name calling, mud slinging, contempt, and general anger coming from the anti's when confronted with facts, logic, and statistics from gunners. Even the title of your post paints gunners as "typical", and "stunted". Why should we be gracious to a group of people who don't know what they're talking about-but want to control our lives? We actually know what we're talking about. We enjoy owning and shooting guns. We're not irrationally afraid of an inanimate object. We realize that while it's a terrible tragedy when a child accidentally shoots themselves with a gun, many more kids died that day from slipping in the bathtub or accidents in the swimming pool(statistically accurate). Bad things happen in America and the world every day. Anti's are just enraged by, relatively speaking, a small problem. You anti's see a news piece about a murder with a gun, you think America's embroiled in a bloodbath. You tell an anti that, statistically, you are 35 times more likely to die from a poor diet and lack of exercise than a gunshot wound and they just ignore it. You're damn right we're glad!

[virginia mountainman]

2. He can do like Fenty ,

Spend millions of taxpayer money, to be bitch slapped by the court...

[slackmaster]

3. He spent over $100 million of public money a few years back

On an ill-fated attempt to sue gun manufacturers for his city's crime problems.

[DonP]

12. Same with the FAA for more $$$

When he decided, in spite of FAA telling the City they could not close Meig's Field, that he was the law.

He announced that Meig's field, a small airport, right on lake Michigan, was "a potential terrorist threat" and bulldozed the runways literally in the middle of the night at 2 AM to avoid the cameras and reporters.

Then he paid for the lawyers and the fines that eventually resulted with taxpayer money. He also just supported a raise in the County Sales tax to the highest in the ocuntry, 10.5%.

Daley has proven again and again that he does not feel the laws apply to him. He really, truly thinks he is above the law.

He will fight the lawsuits on his pet gun laws in court, using taxpayer money, until SCOTUS denies certorari 10 years and 10 million taxpayer $ from now.

[gorfle]

6. The major fallacy in Daley's logic:

"This is a very frightening decision for America. …Does this lead to everyone having a gun in our society? If they think that's the answer, then they're greatly mistaken. Then, why don't we do away with the court system and go back to the Old West? You have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle in the streets," Daley told reporters at Navy Pier.

The false assumption here is that gun owners will ignore the rule of law, in favor of violence. But there tens of millions of firearm owners every day who have not abandoned the law. There are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of concealed carry permit holders who have not abandoned the law.

The fact of the matter is, firearm owners do not own firearms so that they may ignore the law, they own firearms in protection against those who have already decided to ignore the law.

And it's really just that simple.

[TPaine7]

8. That thug needs to be taken down.

Hard.

[B3Nut]

9. He should be in the Federal pokey for domestic terrorism anyway

Destruction of aviation infrastructure - when he razed and destroyed Meigs Field at night leaving small aircraft stranded...he ordered crews in under cover of darkness to render the runway unusable.

To the hoosegow with that crook!

[bossy22]

10. hes wasting his time

whats his defense?

[shireen]

11. perhaps Daley should be promoting gun EDUCATION

really, banning guns simply puts them underground.

you gotta address the source of the problem regarding gun violence: POVERTY.

Duh!

[Spoonman]

19. Poverty?

I guess that's why gun violence skyrocketed in the 1930's too?
In 1931 more the one third of the population lived below the poverty line, fully automatic weapons were legal, and not so much as a drivers license was required to obtain one.

PUNISHMENT was the deterrent back then!!!!!!!!

Sorry, poverty is not the reason for gun violence.

History holds the solution for todays problems.

[shireen]

21. what were the punishments back then?

I don't know much about the 1930s.

poverty is not the only reason for gun violence, but it plays a very major role in it.

[SlipperySlope]

14. So 1981 was the "wild west"?

What a jackass.

[SteveM]

15. "Wild West?" Does he mean Chicago's West Side? (nt)

[smb]

16. Temper Tantrum

Instead of wasting the tax money of the citizens of Chicago, Daley needs to suck it up and change the law to conform to the United States Constitution.

[spin]

17. Obviously his anti gun views have worked well in the past...

as he is still in office. The majority of voters must approve of him.

Eventually one of the big anti gun bastions will be forced to comply with the Supreme Court's decision. The big question is if allowing honest citizens to own firearms for self protection in anti gun cities will result in a reduction of violent crime. Based on past history in many areas of the country, I feel the new laws will have a positive effect.

Only time will tell.

[osperto]

24. LOL it's chicago

"as he is still in office. The majority of voters must approve of him"

Being in office and winning the majority of votes don't necessarily go together.

Remember, the fave old Daley quote "vote early and vote often"

:)

[spin]

27. I often heard that " even the dead vote in Chicago"...

maybe there's some truth to this.

But now there's a new twist:

Disabled drivers in Chicago can get a unique benefit from the city: For $70 and proof of disability, the city will mark off a parking space just steps from the person's door.

In 2006, 11,423 people participated, getting spaces on residential streets from Hegewisch to Rogers Park.

The only problem was, at least 260 of them were dead.
http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/01/07/forget-the-dead-vote/

[DonP]

29. We prefer to refer to it as the Chapel Hill/Holy Sepulchre Ward

Since the turn of the last century we've had a horrendous problem with voting fraud.

It's gotten a little better with more public srutiny but the area cemeteries are still sources of voters. There is a string of seven large cemeteries along 111th street on the southwest edge of the city that's notorious for providing votes in past elections.

That's why I always find it humorous to hear people from other places talking about how "paper ballots will solve the vote fraud" questions that have been coming up. My God people, Chicago invented vote fraud with paper ballots.

Famous phrases from two of our dear long-departed aldermen, Paddy Bauler and "Bathhouse" John Coughlin. When approached by a young man for a job with the ward. "Who sent you?" says Paddy, "Nobody sent me sir, I'm a hard worker and I'd like to work in the ward, close to home." "Scram kid, we don't need nobody that nobody sent!"

BathHouse John, when asked by a Tribune reporter about the new reform movement emerging in the 1920's "Chicago ain't ready for reform and never will be." The man had a point and Daley is probably the exclamation point to what he said.

[HALO141]

18. Mayor daley

is as corrupt as they come. I've never had a kind thought about the man.



I find this all tremendously amusing. :popcorn:

[DemOkie]

20. Just goes to show

That even among sensible folks (like us Dems), there are always a few idjits. Daley is just wasting time and money to defend the obviously unconstitutional law.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Daley is a jackass.

Just look at this shit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2906487.stm

[Turbo Teg]

25. HAHA

What a sore loser. Say good by to your draconian gun laws!

[old mark]

28. delete: already posted elsewhere.

[SlipperySlope]

30. Ha-Ha on Daley!

How desperate is he going to get to stop the citizens of his city from exercising their constitutional rights? Fucking Jim Crow all over again.

[radioburning]

37. "Outraged Daley vows to blow millions of taxpayer money to make himself look like a wet fart" n/t

[Longtooth]

38. That about sums it up.

[WWFZD]

39. I hate to be the one to

cut a particularly cheesy fart in church, and there's a lot I like about Obama, but he came of age as a well-oiled cog in the same political screw as that assclown Daley.
Just stating the facts that's all.