Carmi woman organizes Chicago gun rally

[beevul]

Carmi woman organizes Chicago gun rally

By BRADEN WILLIS Of The Times Staff And VALINDA ROWE
Published: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:20 PM CDT

An estimated crowd of 600-800 supporters of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms made history in downtown Chicago this past Friday as they attended the first ever Second Amendment Freedom Rally to be held in that city.

The event was planned to send a message to Gov. Blagojevich and Mayor Daley, who both voiced stead opposition to the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling recognizing the individual right of ordinary citizens to keep and bear arms.

His friends from the Cisne (Wayne County) area met with him and the Rowes at the rally. McDonald is one of the plaintiffs in a suit filed against the city of Chicago by the Illinois State Rifle Association challenging their ban of handguns which is nearly identical to the recently overturned ban in Washington D.C.

In fact, the lawsuit is filed as McDonald, et al vs. City of Chicago. McDonald has been the target of gang-related threats due to his efforts to keep gang violence out of his Chicago neighborhood.

"All the major Chicago news outlets were present at the rally but only one, ABC7, aired any coverage of the event, while much smaller events calling for more gun bans in the city receive much more media coverage," Rowe commented. "The lack of coverage of a peaceful and ethnically diverse crowd calling self-defense a basic human right is a symptom of the biased anti-gun stance of most Chicago-based media."

http://www.carmitimes.com/articles/2008/07/16/news/news1.txt

I had not heard that the name of the suit was McDonald.


I bet the mayor and governor were not happy about this.


On edit: Added proper format, and my own coments.

[TPaine7]

1. The bias of news organizations and the lies of anti-gun fanatics notwithstanding,

Chicago, the District, New York and other anti-constitutional enclaves will yield to the Constitution and to the will of the people of the United States of America.

It will happen in our lifetimes, maybe in the next couple of decades! I've always hoped for this, but it's great to witness this history.

[derby378]

2. Here's to the downfall of paternalism in Chicago...

This whole "we know better than you" mentality has got to be quashed. Good on the rally organizers.

[iverglas]

3. ya gotta love 'em

They just seem to have this knack for dredging up an African-American stooge for their right-wing bullshit.



Guess which one is Otis MacDonald. Surrounded by that see of white-skinned, white-haired white-boyness.

[AtheistCrusader]

4. That's a farily unfair generalization.

Where I come from 'Stooge' is an insult. Do you know him personally? What does his race have to do with anything here? I wonder which definition of 'stooge' he is automatically guilty of, merely due to his race?

[iverglas]

5. what does his race have to do with anything here?

Yes, that's the question.

Why is the lead plaintiff in this case, and was the original lead plaintiff in Heller, an African-American? when all the forces ranged behind them are so completely and utterly white and right-wing?

That's the question.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. For the DC issue, it would be better than a 55% chance

of the plaintiff being black, if you just randomly grabbed someone off the street, including all other races. (At least according to the 2002 census)

I am not shocked that in a population distribution like that, one or more of the plaintiffs may have been black. Even if the numbers were reversed, it would not shock me. I don't see anyone being 'used' here. Firearms ownership, possession, and use in self defense is not a partisan issue, in my opinion. I see people at both ends of the spectrum working to restrict this civil liberty.

I make no assumptions about Otis's political affiliations, gullibility, or anything else. I would like to caution you to refrain from doing so as well. If you have some specific criticism of him, or his supporters, I am all ears. Judging them based on skin tone doesn't seem helpful to me.

[iverglas]

7. Judging them based on skin tone doesn't seem helpful to me."

Yeah. If only someone had done that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=145618&mesg_id=145918

Here, allow me to quote myself.

dmesg
Thu Jul-19-07 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. Parker is a DC resident, not some grandstanding Congresscritter

iverglas
Thu Jul-19-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. and the Cato Institute just has nothing to do with it

Those regular folks just came up with this idea all on their own.

http://www.dcwatch.com/issues/gun030210.htm

WASHINGTON - Two Cato Institute scholars announced today that they have filed a civil lawsuit in a Washington, D.C. federal court on behalf of six plaintiffs to vindicate the right of D.C. residents to defend themselves in their home. Robert A. Levy, senior fellow in constitutional studies, and Gene Healy, senior editor, joined by two other D.C.-based attorneys, argue in their complaint that "the Second Amendment guarantees individuals a fundamental right to possess a functional, personal firearm, such as a handgun ... within the home." But D.C. officials "enforce a set of laws {that} deprive individuals, including the plaintiffs, of this important right."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/07/AR2007040700983.html

Robert A. Levy, the lawyer who bankrolled the lawsuit, wanted a diverse group of complainants, and Parker, a 44-year-old software designer, is one of two black female plaintiffs. She said the ban on handguns puts neighborhood activists at risk of being subjected to threats and harassment. Having a pistol in her home would level the playing field, she said

So who wants to do the research on this one?

[AtheistCrusader]

11. More from your first link:

"Other plaintiffs include a gay man who has been assaulted on account of his sexual orientation, and the owner of a registered shotgun who cannot lawfully render her gun operational."

So three of the original plaintiffs were female, and one of the males was gay. Were all these people 'stooges' in your opinion? If it had been 6 old white guys, would that have been better, worse, or more, or less 'honest'?

Even if blacks, gays, and women were specifically targeted to be encouraged to come forward as plaintiffs, does that in any way change the honesty of their challenge to the state, and the court's findings? These people were denied an enumerated civil liberty, and in my opinion, a basic human right. If they stacked the deck by selecting these 'diverse' people out of (x) pool of potential plaintiffs, what difference does it make to the core issue of the case?

How do their political leanings enter into this?

[iverglas]

15. duh

So three of the original plaintiffs were female, and one of the males was gay. Were all these people 'stooges' in your opinion?

Oh, hell, some of them may have been bona fide right-wing assholes themselves. Quite likely. I wouldn't know.

It's just so entertaining to see the shortage of white male people in the group, as compared to the their quite overwhelming among the general gun militant population, doncha think?

Nobody ever said that right-wing assholes were stupid.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. I see no reason to think so little of these people's motives.

Whether the legal team an supporters cherry picked the plaintiffs 'for diversity' or not is immaterial. They had a solid case. They were correct in filing suit. The court ultimately returned a favorable verdict.

Again, political leaning has little to do with this. You'd be hard pressed to find someone more liberal than I am, but I ALSO support interpreting the 2nd as an individual right. That can't make me a right wing asshole, they won't even talk to me.

[Tejas]

23. Engrish, prease

"what does his race have to do with anything here?
Posted by iverglas

Yes, that's the question.

Why is the lead plaintiff in this case, and was the original lead plaintiff in Heller, an African-American? when all the forces ranged behind them are so completely and utterly white and right-wing?

That's the question."



huh?

[Tejas]

24. Who knows, you brought it up, maybe you'll tell us n/t

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[SteveM]

13. "...see of white-skinned, white-haired white-boyness." Playing the race card? (nt)

[iverglas]

14. "Playing the race card?"

Aren't they just?! How clever of you to notice too.

[SteveM]

29. A friendly word of advice:

"Black boyness," or simply "black boy," would be considered racially-derogatory when used in the way you have chosen. Substituting out the color only gives false symmetry to an archaic racial expression.

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[pipoman]

21. I have heard of "selective hearing", I've not heard of selective vision...until now..n/t

[Real_Talk]

28. You don't know many black people do you?

I also know plenty of black people from the inner city. I don't know many of them who are anti RKBA. They didn't have to "dredge" at all.A quick trip into a South Side church would probably find a dozen McDonalds. People from the ghettos of America know that laws don't mean much to criminals, they are living with that reality while politicians and anti-gun crusaders, which are fueled by rich white people who live in safety and talk theory.

[iverglas]

8. the name of the suit ...

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/new-case-tests-second-amendments-reach/

Joining in the lawsuit is the Second Amendment Foundation, an advocacy group, and the Illinois State Rifle Association. The individuals in the case are Otis McDonald, a Chicago resident who says he lives in a high-crime neighborhood and has been threatened by drug dealers; Adam Orlov, who lives in Chicago and is a former police officer in Evanston, Ill., and Colleen and David Lawson, Chicago residents who say their home has been targeted by burglars.

The money's coming from somewhere, and I'm pretty sure it isn't McDonald's.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Ultimately, it may be coming from me.

I support 2AF monetarily, every year. Though, if the ACLU takes up the 2nd Amendment as a civil right, 2AF may become obsolete, and I can just write one less check every year.

[jody]

10. RKBA will cost Obama votes in some states unless he promises to veto every bill that infringes upon

the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

I wish he would go ahead and do that and erase the perception that he will side with gun-grabber Democratic senators if he is elected president.

Obama will win IL but it's still possible for him to lose PA and the advantage would then shift to McCain.

[iverglas]

16. did somebody mention the price of tea in China?

[Malidictus Maximus]

18. Either of us could write a speech that WOULD elect Senator Obama.

"Thank you for allowing me to address this meeting of the NRA.
If elected President of the United States I shall veto any new gun control legislation not specifically designed to keep guns out of, and ONLY out of the hands of the mentally ill and felons. I shall appoint supreme court justices who pledge to uphold the second amendment to the constitution as an individual right of all Americans (in addition to supporting ALL of the rights enumerated therein), and I shall extend and subsidize the Civilian Marksmanship Program. I shall support *ALL* the rights enumerated in the Constitution as well as the universal healthcare, environmental protections and economic fairness called for by our Democratic Party ethos.
Thank you"

Might be a few other things that could be added, but it would be a few million votes, right off the bat (and, yes a few fried neurons of *some* NRA members who are racist ignoramuses, as one would find in any organization of that size). And many of those votes in key battleground states.

[iverglas]

19. for good measure

you really oughta throw in banning abortion and amending your constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage.

No point in taking the chance that not all the right-wing assholes in the country will vote for you.

[Callisto32]

26. Red herring: a definition

"A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic."

Please note we are not discussing abortion or same sex marriage. If you wish to discuss such topics, there is a forum dedicated to ALL civil rights. This forum, in contrast, is limited to discussions of guns and the issues attached to them.

[iverglas]

30. for your assistance

Please note we are not discussing abortion or same sex marriage.

The topic raised, and the one I was addressing, was winning elections.

Please try to keep up.

[jody]

22. That's one preemptive attack that would be an instant winner. Then Obama could focus on domestic

and economic problems crucial to our nation's future.

[Tejas]

25. You got that right! n/t

[tburnsten]

27. !

"and I shall extend and subsidize the Civilian Marksmanship Program."

That's something I would love to see, stop ditching all our fine service rifles and start either giving them to CMP or render the full auto ones semi only and give them to CMP.