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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:24 PM
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Obama/Biden can silence critics by voting for HR 6691, “To restore Second Amendment rights in the
District of Columbia.”

RKBA is becoming an important issue in key states like FL, PA, OH, MI. and Obama tells voters he will not take their rifles, shotguns, and handguns. Barack Obama and Joe Biden's Plan says;
Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

Obama and Biden should pressure Harry Reid to bring H.R. 6691 up for a vote in the Senate so Obama/Biden can show their support for Second Amendment rights.

One pro-Second Amendment group says: CCRKBA URGES SEN. REID TO ALLOW SENATE VOTE ON DISTRICT GUN LAW
BELLEVUE, WA – The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is today calling on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) to allow a House-approved bill on the District of Columbia’s gun law to face an immediate Senate vote.

“Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison and 46 of her colleagues have asked Sen. Reid to do this before the end of the 110th Congress,” noted CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “but we think this vote needs to occur before the Nov. 4 election. It should be openly debated and subjected to a roll call vote.

* * * * * * * * * * * *

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms ( www.ccrkba.org) is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States

One prominent activist group against H.R. 6691 says in Capital Under Fire:
Envision a Washington, D.C. in which it would be entirely legal for individuals or groups to carry loaded AK-47s, or set up .50 caliber sniper rifles that can bring down aircraft, near Cabinet buildings, motorcades, or blocks from the Capitol, ready and able to fire at any number of highranking government officials or foreign dignitaries. It may sound ludicrous, but that would be the legal reality if H.R. 6691 becomes law.

If Congress passes and the President signs H.R. 6691, it will be legal to openly carry any of these weapons of war, fully loaded and ready to fire, on District of Columbia streets frequented by Senators, Representatives, White House and Cabinet officials, diplomats, foreign dignitaries, and tourists. An angry or disturbed political adversary, a terrorist, or any unstable person, unless otherwise prohibited from possessing guns, could wait, fully armed, for a high-ranking government official, diplomat, or motorcade to come within striking distance, leaving police without legal grounds to disarm the shooter until it was likely too late. Especially in this post 9-11 age, this bill would represent a dangerous step backwards in law enforcement’s efforts to protect our capital and our government from harm. As D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier testified in Congress, “Imagine how difficult it will be for law enforcement to safeguard the public, not to mention the new President at the Inaugural Parade, if carrying semi-automatic rifles were suddenly to become legal in Washington.”

The purported rationale for H.R. 6691 is to “restore Second Amendment rights” in the District in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 26, 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v.Heller. However, the ruling, striking down D.C.’s ban on handguns in the home, made it clear that the Second Amendment does not mandate an “any gun, anywhere” policy. Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in Heller specifically noted that everything from laws “forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places” to “conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms” are “presumptively lawful.” H.R. 6691 goes far beyond what the Second Amendment demands, and implicitly repudiates the limitations endorsed by all nine justices.

This Congressional action is also not needed because the District of Columbia is diligently working to “restore Second Amendment rights” in light of the Heller decision. D.C. has already passed temporary, emergency regulations to comply with the Supreme Court ruling, and the plaintiff in the case, Dick Heller, was approved by the city to keep a gun in his home. D.C. is currently developing permanent regulations to conform all of its gun laws to the Court’s ruling. D.C.’s elected officials should be given a fair and reasonable opportunity to enact permanent regulations.

H.R. 6691 would endanger not only D.C. residents but also all those who work in and visit the capital. At a time when terrorists continue to look for ways to attack our nation, enacting H.R. 6691 would be reckless and irresponsible.

IMO this would be a wonderful way for Obama and Biden to show voters their support for the Second Amendment by voting for H.R. 6691 and silencing their critics.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:32 PM
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1. So when they support that
will the NRA support them? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I made myself laugh.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:36 PM
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3. I don't care about the NRA but I would like gun-owners to vote for Obama. n/t
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:44 PM
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5. Me too! The NRA will be supporting McInsane no matter what Obama does.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:56 PM
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7. Forget the NRA, do you question Obama's judgment in trying to win votes from 80 million gun-owners?
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 05:58 PM by jody
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:01 PM
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9. Of those 80 million
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 06:01 PM by MichaelHarris
30 million want to shoot him. Face it, the NRA is full of racists, gun owners are among them.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:02 PM
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10. Please provide a source for you assertion. n/t
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:03 PM
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11. hahahahahahahaha
I laugh at you just like I always do. Two groups that will never support a Dem, the NRA and pro-lifers.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:05 PM
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13. Why do you make fun at our candidate Obama and his efforts to win votes from 80 million gun-owners.
Do you like losing presidential elections?
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:05 PM
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14. hahahahahahaha oh sheesh haaaaa=hahahahaha
stop it, you're killing me.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:11 PM
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18. You say "you're killing me" but IMO you are hurting Obama by not supporting his personal efforts to
convince gun-owners he supports the Second Amendment.

Obama said:
"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."

Are you prepared to help Obama as he asked?
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:15 PM
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22. Hohohohohohho hahahahahaha
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 06:16 PM by MichaelHarris
man stop it. Ok I'll bite, I've donated over 500 dollars this week alone. Not a penny went to any pro Obama NRA group. You know why? There aren't any. HAhahhahahahahahahahahahahaaa.

Guns aren't really on my high list right now, haven't you heard, people are loosing their homes. Kids need health care. Our Elderly are turning to cat food like they did in the Reagan years. So you see, guns are pretty far down on the list for me.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:23 PM
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25. If you donated money to an Obama group or group within the Dem Party, you donated to a group that
supports the Dem Platform and our party supports the Second Amendment?
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #22
52. Yet, you are here -- obsessed with guns and phony laughter (nt)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #14
51. Your mind (?) seems to be closed. Like a racist, perhaps? (nt)
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:24 PM
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36. Bill Richardson has an A rating from the NRA...
and as you probably know he's a Democrat.

``I'm the only Democratic candidate who's been given an `A' rating by the NRA, Richardson told officers of a pipefitters and plumbers union here. ``I'm a sportsman, like you,'' he added.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/10/richardson_tout.html

He's been a pretty solid guy on the gun issue," Van Horn, a member of the NRA's board of directors, said.

************************snip**********************

"He has treated us first class," said Kayne Robinson, NRA's executive director for general operations. "What the implication of that will be in national politics is beyond my pay grade."

A news release announcing the endorsement cites Richardson's support for a law that allows New Mexico residents to carry concealed handguns with a permit.

Richardson said he has earned a concealed-carry permit himself.

http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2006/oct/03/gun-friendly-guv-gains-nra-approval/

The NRA doesn't care what party a candidate represents, they do care about his record on the gun issue.

Are you aware that the NRA gave John McCain a C+ rating?

John McCain
Voted for a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Opposes restrictions on assault weapons and voted against such a ban. Voted against a 10-year extension of the assault weapons ban. Supported legislation requiring gun manufacturers to include gun safety devices such as trigger locks in product packaging and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Voted against 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Opposed 1994 crime bill, which contained the assault weapons ban. Has a C+ rating from the NRA. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, McCain signed a friend-of-the-court brief urging the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:41 AM
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38. Whos laughing? NRA gives endorsement to (Democrat) Schweitzer
"Two groups that will never support a Dem, the NRA and pro-lifers."

Ahem. yeah.

NRA gives endorsement to Schweitzer
By CHARLES S. JOHNSON
Gazette State Bureau

HELENA - The National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund on Tuesday endorsed Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer's re-election, citing his strong support of the rights of gun owners, hunters and sportsmen.

"He's just done a great job defending the Second Amendment, hunting, fishing (and) access on the part of the public to public lands," NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said in a phone interview after a press conference in Billings.

"He also had legislation that secured $10 million for public access. He ended the moratorium on the buffalo hunt after 16 years."

Schweitzer, a lifetime NRA member, received an A rating from the NRA.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/05/28/news/state/41-endorsement.txt


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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Just hide the thread...
this is an exercise in futility. Trust me. Been there, done that...
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. It could be an "exercise in futility" if you don't try to understand what Obama/Biden are saying
about the Second Amendment.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:12 PM
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Um, let me see if I can make my position clear for you.....
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, OR WHAT THEIR POSITION IS. I AM STILL VOTING FOR OBAMA, AND NOTHING, I REPEAT, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND.


Got it?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:16 PM
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23. Are you refusing to help Obama as he asked to convince gun-owners he supports the 2nd? n/t
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:33 PM
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34. Who's trying to change your mind?
:shrug:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:17 PM
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54. So, the earth trembles from your one vote? Didn't get that (nt)
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:12 PM
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19. Here Jody have some fun with this
Mom pleads guilty for buying son assault rifle
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-ussk...

"PHILADELPHIA - The mother who bought an assault rifle for her teenage son who was plotting a Columbine-style attack at his high school pleaded guilty yesterday to endangering the welfare of children.

I know the Constitution is important and for those who can understand the second amendment I support you. This is for those who have absolutely no understanding of said amendment, the one's who will support this women. They're here and they may even speak up.

"Dillon Cossey told authorities he felt bullied at school. His mother was home schooling him at the time of his arrest."

Why am I not surprised? Home schooling and guns? Instead of addressing the bullying this mom chooses to buy guns and home school. Now you know why I'm against home schooling? This woman couldn't possibly be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Meet one of the instructors in this house hold,

"Frank Cossey, 56, Dillon Cosey's father, is on house arrest for failing to disclose a 1981 manslaughter conviction in Oklahoma when he attempted to buy a .22-caliber rifle for his son."

This man and wife claimed to be educators when they chose to home school, how many more "educators" like them are out there? Jody are these Obama supporters? You want to bring guns up today? Today when banks may fall? You truly are a one position voter.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:15 PM
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21. Why do you refuse to help Obama convince gun-owners he supports the 2nd Amendment? n/t
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. And a one-party voter, too, I reckon.
You said:

"You truly are a one position voter"

But in any event, I fear you're wasting your time. None of your reasonable questions will be answered, only the great squawking equivalent of "guns good; more guns better!" in every reply.

It is getting the NRA talking point on the record that counts, not facts.

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:22 PM
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56. We found out where the gun-controllers stand: no help for Obama on this issue ...
I mean, why would we want him to move away from OUR one issue: gun-control/confiscation.

Sums it up, doesn't it?
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 11:24 PM
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65. Heck, I'd just like one straightforward answer to a straightforward question.
Guess that's asking a bit too much from some folks.

O8)









( :eyes: )
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. yeah me too
bu it's sort of fun. This guy actually thinks Obama is going to get some NRA votes. Biden and Obama could make personnel land mines legal and the NRA would still campaign against them.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:18 PM
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24. NRA has 4.3 million members among the 80 million gun-owners. Obama believes he can get some of those
80 million votes and he asked his supporters to help him convince gun-owners he supports the 2nd.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:01 PM
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29. BTW, couple of items on that "80 million gun-owners" thing.
1. A link to where you source that fiction number would be appreciated. And not a link to "thisgleamingbarrelItheewed.com/net/org" or some similar such ideological swine pit. An online FBI survey or something from academia would be quite nice.

2. BUT, before you go getting all hot and bothered about that, will you settle on a number first?

"Not me, I'm a Yellow Dog Democrat but I am concerned that some of the 54 million gun-owners might"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=186466&mesg_id=186473

Which is it? 80 million or 54 million?


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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
57. Where's your laughter? All pooped out? You ain't foolin' anyone (nt)
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 05:30 PM by SteveM
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:15 PM
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53. Well, the futility stems from your locked-down mindset, no? ...
You have seen the arguments above which have dissected the "laughing" poster who spends many so-o-o much time on this "less important" issue. Where do you fit in? Ready for well-reasoned discussion, or more slop-shot attacks?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:58 PM
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35. The last thing in the world any rational gun owner wants...
is for Obama to be assassinated. The very thought of this gives me nightmares. Of course, there may be some radical fringe groups who might consider the idea. Racial hatred still exists.

As a Presidential candidate and as President, Obama should enjoy the best protection in the world. The people who surround Obama are far more capable and far better trained then say, members of the Aryan Nation or some psycho.

I worry more about some powerful group who is afraid of losing its influence and control under an Obama presidency, launching a Kennedy style assassination. Since the "lone gunman" approach would be too obvious, the fall guys would probably be a militia group or domestic terrorists.

If Obama were to be shot, gun ownership in this country would probably end very quickly.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:43 PM
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46. Insulting
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
50. Try learning something instead of culture war hatred:
NRA membership is around 5 million. How many gun-owners are there? BTW, gun-control laws are the most pristine product of race hatred and apartheid, dating back to antebellum slavery days. SEE: www.georgiacarry.org and use their search for Heller brief.

Appending the charge of "racist, racist!" won't fly any more.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:02 PM
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49. Who cares? The point is to assure 90+% of gun-owners who AREN'T NRA members.
Keep laughing; even if Obama loses, folks can still say: "See, we still have an AWB in our platform."

A "win-win" perhaps?
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:34 PM
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2. You want weapons of war on the streets of DC?
no way Obama is going to support that.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:37 PM
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4. Did you read H.R. 6691? n/t
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:48 PM
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6. No, why should I? I thought the gun lobby just won a major victory in DC....
or are you saying they didn't?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:57 PM
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8. Suggest you read the bill before you discuss it. n/t
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:08 PM
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31. OK, I read a brief summary. I don't see how it changes what I said previously.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #31
66. D.C. laws
Were structured to make any private ownership or use of a firearm a felony, they had handgun registration, but the registry was closed in 1976, so unless you had registered your gun prior to 1976, you were out of luck. Rifles and shotguns were subject to onerous storage rules, they had to be unloaded and either disassembled or bound by a lock, in other words totally useless for protection. I believe it was a felony crime to violate the storage rules. Handguns were even worse, you actually had to acquire a special permit just to move your private property from one room of your house to another, plus the requirements for other firearms. Interestingly enough it was acceptable to have a handgun or other firearm at your place of business for protection, just not at home.


Lay it on the "gun lobby" if you want to, but the fact of the matter is that if you were a D.C. resident and you wanted to own a firearm, especially for personal protection, you were out of luck. One of the people who originally brought the suit against D.C. was a lady who was actively trying to gain some ground in her community against drug dealers and gangs, and apparently had been the target of repeated death threats. If that isn't a perfectly legitimate reason to want to buy and learn how to safely and properly use a handgun, and buy some effective personal protection/duty quality ammunition, because the police just can't be with you all the time.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
59. Read? What-me-worry? (nt)
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:31 PM
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27. last time i checked
that legislation did not legalize the possession of NFA class 3 weapons- also known as assault rifles (machine guns) explosives and other TRUE weapons of war
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:47 AM
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39. What "weapons of war"?
What are you talking about, and who is pushing for "weapons of war on the streets of dc"?
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:38 AM
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41. Just FYI
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 06:40 AM by pipoman
I would gladly site points in 6691 if they were there, but they are not there...I will make it simple...

Envision a Washington, D.C. in which it would be entirely legal for individuals or groups to carry loaded AK-47s, (LIE) or set up .50 caliber sniper rifles that can bring down aircraft (LIE), near Cabinet buildings, motorcades, or blocks from the Capitol, ready and able to fire at any number of highranking government officials or foreign dignitaries (LIE). It may sound ludicrous, but that would be the legal reality if H.R. 6691 becomes law.(LIE)

If Congress passes and the President signs H.R. 6691, it will be legal to openly carry any of these weapons of war, fully loaded and ready to fire, on District of Columbia streets frequented by Senators, Representatives, White House and Cabinet officials, diplomats, foreign dignitaries, and tourists
(LIE). An angry or disturbed political adversary, a terrorist, or any unstable person, unless otherwise prohibited from possessing guns, could wait, fully armed, for a high-ranking government official, diplomat, or motorcade to come within striking distance, leaving police without legal grounds to disarm the shooter until it was likely too late (LIE). Especially in this post 9-11 age, this bill would represent a dangerous step backwards in law enforcement’s efforts to protect our capital and our government from harm. As D.C. Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier testified in Congress, “Imagine how difficult it will be for law enforcement to safeguard the public, not to mention the new President at the Inaugural Parade, if carrying semi-automatic rifles were suddenly to become legal in Washington (LIE).”

The purported rationale for H.R. 6691 is to “restore Second Amendment rights” in the District in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 26, 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v.Heller. However, the ruling, striking down D.C.’s ban on handguns in the home, made it clear that the Second Amendment does not mandate an “any gun, anywhere” policy. Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in Heller specifically noted that everything from laws “forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places” to “conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms” are “presumptively lawful.” H.R. 6691 goes far beyond what the Second Amendment demands, and implicitly repudiates the limitations endorsed by all nine justices (LIE).

This Congressional action is also not needed because the District of Columbia is diligently working to “restore Second Amendment rights” in light of the Heller decision. D.C. has already passed temporary, emergency regulations to comply with the Supreme Court ruling, and the plaintiff in the case, Dick Heller, was approved by the city to keep a gun in his home. D.C. is currently developing permanent regulations to conform all of its gun laws to the Court’s ruling. D.C.’s elected officials should be given a fair and reasonable opportunity to enact permanent regulations.

H.R. 6691 would endanger not only D.C. residents but also all those who work in and visit the capital. At a time when terrorists continue to look for ways to attack our nation, enacting H.R. 6691 would be reckless and irresponsible. (LIE)

It is shit like this which DOES cost this party's nominees the votes of rural and blue collar traditional Dems. Any idiot can read 6691 and see it does NONE of the stupid things this group of liars purport it will do, including your own assertion "You want weapons of war on the streets of DC?".
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:58 AM
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42. I grow so very weary of trying to educate people when they are terminal cases. n/t
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:27 PM
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58. Do you really believe that? Really? (nt)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 08:34 AM
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67. Weapons of war have been strictly regulated since 1934
Look up the National Firearms Act and educate yourself about the subject.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:08 PM
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17. This tripe belongs in the Gungeon
Nobody's interested in your gun-porn fantasies.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:13 PM
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20. Why do fail to accept Obama's judgment that the Second Amendment is a key issue in some states?
Obviously you are not prepared to answer Obama's call:
"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 06:31 PM
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26. Well, it's only the second amemdment and 1/10 of the Bill of Rights...no big.
GAWD, I'm glad that more of DU embraces #2 than is afraid of it.

And I disagree with the move of this thread from GD-P, doesn't make sense.

:hi:
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:58 PM
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48. And only the single amendment
that happens to be life insurance for the rest of them.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:16 PM
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30. that's one theory ;)

Check out the good Democrat being quoted:

Gottlieb, co-author of the recently-published These Dogs Don’t Hunt: The Democrats’ War on Guns ...

I mean, who but a good Democrat would write such stuff??
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:11 PM
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32. Whats a "Gungeon"? n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:19 AM
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37. Short for "gun dungeon". Many posts involving the politics of...
gun control either start or are moved here.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:01 AM
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40. Thanks. I wish they would let us know that beforehand.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 03:29 PM
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45. No problem and welcome to DU. (n/t)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:34 PM
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60. You seem QUITE interested in this topic. Is that why you bring up porn? (nt)
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:28 PM
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33. I admire your persistence Jody, but it ain't gonna happen.
Neither Obama nor Biden are going to suddenly morph in to gun rights supporters. It's painfully clear from their rhetoric and campaign materials that they don't understand gun issues and in Biden's case at least I don't think that he particularly cares other than in a general 'guns are icky' sense.

That second bit from Capital Under Fire would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so full of, well...oh fuck it, let's call them what they are, lies. It does however admirably demonstrate the fantasy world that gun grabbers live in though. On would almost think it a parody of the gun grabber mentality, unfortunately it's not.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:09 AM
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43. I'm an optimist, "Somewhere Over The Rainbow""The sun'll come out Tomorrow". n/t
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:37 PM
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61. Hey, you check-mated that crowd -- and they know it (nt)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:35 AM
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44. Good effort Jody, but its clear that there are too many bigoted persons who don't think gun owners..

...will ever vote Obama. I think what they fail to realize is in some states the contests is close (statistical ties given the sampling error of polls) and that we are fighting for those few percentage points that will get Obama in the White House.

Not supporting reasonable gun laws like HR 6691 helps the Republicans and hurts us. Asking Obama to support HR 6691 is about attracting moderate undecided voters which we still need to win. Its not about attracting idiot photographers, people who don't know shit about guns, or people who think discussions of gun control is "gun porn".


Weapons of War? WTF?




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:51 PM
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Rancid Crabtree Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:30 PM
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62. didn't the house pass this bill?
at least, that's what I thought I read somewhere...I'd written my rep, Stupak, he voted for it...why there are people in the world who don't believe a person should possess a gun is beyond me. Gore won the state by a margin of about 8%, Kerry won, but by a smaller margin, maybe 5%...and in '08? Who knows? But there's a lot of democrats in my neck of the woods who feel marginalized in a world bragging about diversity. Why then do I and others like me feel like we're a plague upon society? If there are other "choices" that people want to maintain, how in the world don't they see a "choice" in keeping and bearing arms for defense of life and liberty?
We're not idiots and enough of us pay attention. Making an analogy between terrorists who would kill Americans given a chance and gun owners is not the way to make allies. There are stories of D.C. women who are dead today. Perhaps if they had the choice to keep a gun at home, not under lock and key, but available, they'd be alive today.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:38 PM
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63. Yes as H.R. 6842, link below.
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