Is Obama going to reject applicants for his administration if they own a gun? If no, then why ask

[jody]

the following question?

(59) Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.

SOURCE: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/13apply_questionnaire.pdf

For a Washington Job, Be Prepared to Tell All

[Trajan]

1. Im still looking for the button that removes the Gungeon from the main discussion forum ....

Just sayin ....

[jody]

6. Perhaps you have internalized your problem. n/t

[Trajan]

12. Perhaps I have externalized it instead ...

[SteveM]

14. Look at the 35 Forums and their respective post totals ...

Quite a popular forum, you would agree?

[jody]

19. Thanks for reminding me, I hadn't looked in a long time. DU's Guns forum is #4.

Election Reform @ 502,366 messages
September 11 @ 223,967 messages
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Guns @ 188,560 messages

[SteveM]

21. Like the Gators being #4. Until the end of the season! (nt)

[jody]

24. I know, Alabama and Florida both beat up on my Georgia Dawgs. n/t

[SteveM]

27. Here's a joke you may have heard:

Why does the St. John's River run north? Georgia sucks. BA-DA-BOOM!

[jody]

28. OK, I concede. You win! ROFLMAO

:rofl: :toast:

[Scout]

34. quantity, not quality rules in gungeon i guess! :rofl: n/t

[jody]

35. I agree partially, quality is sorely lacking in many gun-grabber posts that rely upon ad hominem

attacks, unsupported assertions, and citing papers by authors using flawed research methods.

[Testament]

43. Those and misstating what the law actually is right now. n/t

[jody]

51. Misstating the law! I'm shocked, truly shocked that you would think gun-grabbers would do that much

less put it in print.

Careful, you may have opened yourself to a libel suit.

Oh I forgot, truth is a perfect defense against libel. :thumbsup:

[Demobrat]

2. To make sure the gun is legal and

hasn't been used in the commission of a crime.

[JonQ]

56. I'm certain they will do the standard criminal background check

if they broke the law, why would it matter if they used a gun, you'd think any criminal activity beyond minor driving violations would be sufficient.

Like asking if they own a car in an indirect way to ask if they've ever committed vehicular manslaughter. Doesn't make much sense.

[Johonny]

3. The Vice president did shoot someone in the face.

I imagine they want to make sure their cabinet members show a little more responsibility.

[xchrom]

4. you really can't think of why they would

want to know that?

[Recursion]

37. I'm struggling to come up with a good reason why

What were you thinking of?

[BOSSHOG]

5. Just a guess

but the lengthy application form is a result of the need to cover all bases in case one of those intrepid and brilliant right wing website finds something "wrong" with an Obama appointee. After all he is a Muslim and God knows who he might give a job to.

[jody]

9. I scanned the application but I did not find religion a question. Perhaps I missed it. n/t

[SteveM]

15. But... but, how can he be Muslim and "godless" at the same time? (nt)

[rpannier]

17. Muslim, Godless and a member of a Radical Black Christian Church

Obama does get around doesn't he?

[RC]

18. You forgot 20 years of going & belonging to a main stream Christian church.

[SteveM]

20. Well, I was being cute, a la the Dole campaign (nt)

[Lex1775]

7. Registration and Registration Lapse?

Apparently they missed the memo that most places in the US don't require you to register your firearm.

[glowing]

8. Its about honest, #1. and just checking to make sure those firearms are legal.

[SteveM]

16. See #7 above (nt)

[amdezurik]

10. why ask?

why not ask?

[jody]

11. OK, but I didn't see a question on use of any illegal drug. n/t

[amdezurik]

23. I may be wrong on this but don't they all have to have

FBI background checks as well that would ask that? I doubt this is to replace that, more along the lines of PR explosion prevention.

[jody]

25. Since the FBI will work for Obama, they could ask that question. Why create a stir by including a

question re guns on an application?

IMO it shows once again the gross ignorance of someone on Obama's team not unlike the statement on Obama's site saying assault weapons belong on the battle field, not the streets.

[amdezurik]

26. *shrug* I just don't see any offence in the question

And in today's climate they may want MORE gun owners so they can reassure the NRA, so a yes answer (as long as they are legal and all) could be a plus instead. You never know, ya know. Simply asking the question (IMHO anyway) should not be a discouragement.

[jody]

29. And I see no purpose since Obama is still trying to convince pro-RKBA voters that he will not take

rifles, shotguns, and handguns and until he says different many of us assume he means he will not sign a bill renewing the infamous assault weapons ban.

[amdezurik]

32. that we can disagree on

they seem to be sceaming a lot so even just one person "like them" may go a long way to shut them up. And then again it could be as you say someone kinda clueless making up the questions. It could have been phrased a lot better I admit.

[derby378]

13. To screen out owners of "undesirable" guns?

Own a Winchester 12-gauge? You're hired. Own your father's M1 Garand that he stormed the beaches of Normandy with? Hit the bricks, gun nut...

[amdezurik]

22. as long as it is registered

or whatever the regulations are on it I doubt anyone would be passed over for it. It looks to me like the question was more on the lines of "hey, if you own a gun just tell us you shot your friend in the face, or that it is unregistered or whatever before the press grabs a hold of it".

[Testament]

44. *head smack* Registration generally isn't required! We've been saying this all thread! n/t

[benEzra]

50. Another example of the "CSI Effect," perhaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csi_effect

Only a tiny handful of jurisdictions in the USA require registration, and of those, the registration is generally a one-time thing, so it can't "lapse." One would never know that from watching CSI (or most MSM network news), though.

[spin]

30. Well, I guess I can't work for the new administration...

I live in Florida. I own firearms. We don't register firearms here. I'm SOL. Oh, well.

[jody]

31. I would have to report property damage of tens of thousands of clay targets and equal numbers of

targets and I can't omit numbers of quail, deer, elk, antelope, fox, coyotes, dove, ducks, rabbits, squirrels, ground hogs, prairie dogs, pheasants, geese, et al.

With a record like that I know I won't qualify.

[Hangingon]

39. PETA will fight your appointment!

[jody]

40. They might but I have contributed to PETA for several decades re inhumane treatment of factory farms

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36. GrovelBot are you now, or have you ever been a gun owner?

Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.

Hey, I just want to make sure he's fit to be a fundraiser. :shrug:

[Testament]

45. Very nicely done!

:applause: :spray: :patriot:

[jody]

48. Welcome to DU’s Guns-Fortress where Democrats defend RKBA protected by the Second Amendment against

those who want to disarm “We the People” forcing us to submit to violent criminals.

If you are a loyal Democrat and pro-RKBA, join us in protecting the 2nd with facts and history that predates our Constitution.

[Testament]

53. jody, I'm not a newcomer, but thanks for the welcome anyway! n/t

[jody]

54. Mea culpa, have a nice day. n/t

[X_Digger]

38. It's been in the FED SOP for years..

A friend of mine who worked for the DOJ as a contractor mentioned this being added after Hinkley shot Reagan. He said it was also a result of all the postal employees 'going postal'.

[aikoaiko]

41. Its an odd set of questions. I think it shows uneasiness with the idea of civilians owning guns

It makes as much sense as

(59a) Do you or any members of your immediate family own a car? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.

[benEzra]

42. I understand, perhaps, why they're asking, but the phrasing suggests

that the staffer who wrote it is unfamiliar with U.S. gun law. It assumes registration, and that if registration exists, that it is possible for registration to "lapse". Some staffer has been watching too much CSI.

[slackmaster]

47. I got that exact same impression

My answer to the registration questions would have to be "Not applicable".

California registrations for handguns, "assault weapons", and .50 BMG rifles don't expire; and there is no registration for ordinary shotguns, rifles, black powder firearms, and handguns owned since before registration began (1968).

[slackmaster]

46. If it's like most deep background checks, those questions may be "honesty tests"

Ask people any kind of question that requires a personal disclosure, and for which the answer can (at least in some cases) be verified.

Hopefully he is just looking for people who have clean records, are demonstrably honest, and are not subject to potential blackmail for any reason.

[Citizen Number 9]

49. Ding - Ding - Ding, we have a winner!

It only took three days to get this.

My apologies to anyone who feels they had essentially the same answer before the SlackMaster.

If someone's reputation blows up over an undisclosed gun issue, it is much easier to clean house later on the honesty issue than to make a termination decision based on (whatever) merit the actual issue has.

[jody]

52. On the other hand, Einstein said "making a subject simple but not to simple" and the simple answer

is the Obama administration has taken a step toward confirming the allegation "Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in history - bar none".

We Democrats defending the Second Amendment in DU's Guns-Fortress have supported Obama in our communities and states because we pro-RKBA Dems wanted to believe him when he said he supported the Second Amendment.

We pro-RKBA Dems wanted to believe Obama when he promised he would not take rifles, shotguns, and handguns even though we were wary because he never said he would not sign a bill renewing the assault weapons ban that affected the most popular firearms in the US.

Now Obama has come out of the closet and said he supports renewing the assault weapons ban, a goal of the Violence Policy Center, Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence, and arch gun-grabbers Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy and Chuck Schumer, and the foundations that fund gun-grabber efforts like the Joyce Foundation and Annenberg Foundation.

To add insult to injury and fuel to the fire he starts his gun-control policy with "Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment".

IMO that will be taken by 80+ million gun-owners as an "in your face" affront and could help we Dems lose control of the House in 2010. :mad:

Exit polls say fifty three million voters have guns in their household, nineteen million voted for Obama and thirty three million for McCain.

If the economy is better in 2010 and things quiet down in the Middle East, IMO we Dems will have to fight very hard to keep control of the House.

[Deep13]

55. Secret Service wants to know. nt

[JonQ]

57. Imagine for a moment that Mcain had won

and one of the questions he asked of his applicants was: have you or your significant other (for the male applicants) ever had or considered having an abortion? If so, detail all information below.

Abortions, like guns are legal, but are touchy issues for canidates that oppose them. You think there'd be more than a little outrage on here if that had happened? Perhaps more than: well why not ask, what's the harm?