The AWB - HR6257 - truths!

[old mark]

HR6257, the bill the re-instate the "Assault Weapons Ban" was sponsored by Republican congressman mark Kirk of Illinois, It had 4 sponsors,
Rep. Castle, R. DE
Rep. Ferguson, R. NJ
Rep. Ros-Lehtiner, R. FL
Rep. Shays, R. CT

The bill went into committee in November '08 and likely will not be heard from again.

The first AWB was also sponsored by a Republican, and all but 3 GOP congresspersons voted for it.

The GOPs still call this a Democratic bill and profess to be terribly afraid of Obama confiscating guns.

President Obama's gun control policy was moved from his web page to a lesser web page, and as of this morning, seems to have been removed altogether. I could find no mention of guns at all, just some references to hunting and fishing in a paragraph on conservation.
FWIW.
mark

[benEzra]

1. This is good news:

President Obama's gun control policy was moved from his web page to a lesser web page, and as of this morning, seems to have been removed altogether. I could find no mention of guns at all, just some references to hunting and fishing in a paragraph on conservation.

This is good news.

[old mark]

2. I think reality is finally setting in - even in DC (?) (!) nt

[Xela]

4. Refreshing indeed.

But I'll be happy when them prices start going down :)

Xela

[tucsonlib]

9. Prices Of What?

Food? Housing? Utilities?
If you're talking about the price of firearms, the reasons for that are simple enough:
1. The idiotic run on gun stores immediately following the election. ("The Dems are coming! The Dems are coming! Gotta stock up now! Tomorrow it might be too late!"
2. The subsequent price-gouging by the retailers and manufacturers.

In other words, the same two factors at the root of every problem our country currently faces:

FEAR........and..


GREED.......

:shrug:

[benEzra]

17. So Biden, Emmanuel, and Holder *don't* have a history as crusaders against "assault weapons"?

Fortunately, Biden/Emmanuel/Holder don't seem to be setting the agenda on this issue, and for that I am glad. The "assault weapon" fraud needs to go away, and I am cautiously optimistic that it will.

[tucsonlib]

19. And If They *Do*?

Is that a reason to run down to your local gun shop and buy, buy, buy? Reminds me of the sheeple who bought up all that duct tape and plastic wrap - convinced that, any minute now, the chemical/biological gas will come a'seepin' into their homes.
Irrational fear, Folks.
But, of course, you won't find any of that in this forum. The fear that "Biden, Emmanuel and Holder" will be knockin' on your door tomorrow is perfectly rational.


:rofl:

[benEzra]

20. Who said anything about "knocking on your door"?

The buying spree is people who think they might want to own a rifle with modern styling or a full-sized pistol someday, and figuring they might should buy it now rather than later just in case availability of guns with the features they want (adjustable stocks, protruding handgrips, muzzle accessories, full capacity magazines) becomes restricted.

I didn't go out and buy any new guns (though I did pick up a new handguard with a flashlight rail, just because I wanted one), but only because I already bought my little carbine and magazines in 2003.

Tens of millions of people were burned, badly, by the 1994 Feinstein idiocy (including me), and some are not so naive as to think similar idiocy could not happen again, given that some of the same players have the administration's ear this time around.

I personally do not think that Obama is foolish enough to waste political capital restricting protruding rifle handgrips like Clinton did in 1994, and I do not see a new ban actually being passed (even a reanimation of the 1994 non-ban). But some people are hedging their bets. And in the current economic environment, a $1200 rifle will hold its value much better than $1200 in Citigroup stocks will. Case in point, my $379 carbine from 2003 is now worth $700-$800, and climbing.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. Please stop confronting them with facts and common sense, they just can't handle it.

[tucsonlib]

26. heh....heh heh...... haha.... BWAHAHAHHA! HAHHAHAH.........

That's GREAT! Common Sense = Racing down to the gun store right after the election for fear that, if I don't buy it today, tomorrow it might be banned!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

27. Still making things up I see.

[benEzra]

28. Tomorrow, no; within the next two years, possibly, though I am hopeful not.

That's GREAT! Common Sense = Racing down to the gun store right after the election for fear that, if I don't buy it today, tomorrow it might be banned!

Banned tomorrow, probably not; within the next two years, possibly, though I am hopeful that the administration has the sense not to pull another 1994.

My dad (at that time a lifelong Dem) said in 1994 that the Feinstein law couldn't pass, because "this is America." Well, he was wrong; it did, and tens of millions of us got burned. I put off buying the $70 stock I wanted for a month or two, and ended up having to wait ten years for it (still could have bought one, but it would have been illegal to install at that point). My wife had to pay $100+ for a $20 pistol magazine in 1996 or 1997 because she didn't buy it before the Feinstein debacle. And we were just two among tens of millions.

Given that many manufacturers of modern-looking rifles are backordered six months to a year and a half, depending on model and caliber, it is not unreasonable to jump on one if you can find one. Even a year and a half ago, the wait time if you ordered a brand new Rock River .223 carbine with a chrome-lined barrel was two to three months; now, probably six to twelve months.

So if you do think the DLC types might ram through another stupid ban (perhaps worse than the first one), it is not unreasonable to buy what you want now.

[FLAprogressive]

3. Mark Kirk is a huge gun grabber like his other Chicago brethren....

....the gun control fetish in Chicago is truly bipartisan.

[spin]

5. A lot of stupid bills get introduced early in legislative sessions...

and go nowhere.

Unfortunately, the anti-gun bills always cause fear and worry among gun owners and paint Democrats as gun grabbers. The strange fact is that happens even when the bill is introduced and sponsored by Republicans.

Mark Kirk is a politician from The 10th congressional district of Illinois which mostly comprises the northern suburbs of Chicago.

No surprise that to get elected he had to be anti-gun.

[X_Digger]

6. Not entirely true..

They did reorganize the site a bit, but it didn't drop the same language..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

[jody]

7. I thought a leopard had changed its spots but apparently once a GC Beetle, always a GC Beetle.

[iverglas]

13. it takes a lot of beetles

to clean up the mess ...

[krispos42]

16. :snort:

LOL

[russ1943]

8. Get used to it.

As digger has noted the President has continued to support the Democratic platform. Pre election before and during the campaign on the Democratic Party platform. Post election on the President elect’s change.gov site and now on the whitehouse.gov site.

repeal the Tiahrt Amendment

closing the gun show loophole

making guns in this country childproof

making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent

From early on in the campaign there have been at least three posts in the gungeon saying Obama has changed his view on these issues. As best I can tell the wording today is exactly as it was from early on in the campaign.

Most Americans agree with it.

[bossy22]

10. hmmm

i doubt most americans know what the tiahrt amendment, the gun show loophole, and assault weapons really is/are

not to mention an assault weapon ban might not pass a constitutional muster

[marksmithfield]

11. Where do you get the idea most Americans agree?

Show me a poll That lie has been told time and again by the grabbers.

[iverglas]

14. he who alleges a lie

has the onus of proving the lie, I fear.

[marksmithfield]

15. Yesterday I had an incident

with an angle grinder. Between the pain, the bandage and the pain pills, typing with just my left hand is a bitch. So why dont you, iverglas show us your relative up to date data proving otherwise. I hace read this forum for years, and know your tactics.

4 1/2" angle grinders with cut off wheels should be regulated to protect the children!
They will pry my angle grinder from my cold dead hand (so they can re-attach the finger)
If they outlaw 4 1/2" angle grinders then only outlaws will grind!
9" angle grinders should be regulated, there is no reason for a civilian to need to grind a weld that large!
If we outlaw extension cords then the angle grinder lovers can't take them off their property.
Posting a photo of yourself brandishing an angle grinder is threatening and firing is too lenient.
Cut off wheels should be stored in a separate safe in another building and only allowed to be used while state licensed angle grinder instructors are present.
Everyone knows that 90 percent of the population wants angle grinder regulation!
Oh the horror!! Some individuals actually own and use 14" gas powered cut off saws!!!
Diamond wheels can cut right through kevlar they must be taken out of the hands of civilians, only a terrorist would need one!
Close the swap meet loop hole. There is unregulated sale of angle grinders and cut off wheels, Anyone can buy them.
A six year old who draws an angle grinder in school should be arrested and suffer years of therapy before being admitted back into society.
When I went to school they had shop class and we were allowed to touch an angle grinder! With real cut off wheels!
Bench grinders and angle grinders are the same thing, don't try to teach me the technical differences, They are identical, and should be outlawed.
If I spray paint my angle grinder black and attach a handle to the front isn't it the same angle grinder?
Threaded holes for the attachment of handles should be outlawed!
I own 11 angle grinders, and I use them for various purposes. Each one is set up for different tasks. How is that an arsenal? And I have a box of 100 wheels.
Keeping an angle grinder in an unlocked tool box on a truck!!! OMG what if someone steals your truck?
We are so civilized here in Canada that you can only grind at licensed grinding shops and your grinder must be stored there. But we have a terrible problem with your hell hole to the south, the angle grinder proliferation is unconscionable and criminals bring thousands of angle grinders accross our border every year!!!
Welding is an uneducated southern thing, so of course grinders are more prevalent there.
3" air angle grinders have no legitimate purpose other than cutting off fingers and should be outlawed.
An angle grinder in the home is more likely to cut off fingers of family members than criminals!

[iverglas]

18. he who alleges a lie

has the onus of proving the lie.

I don't think your post did that, although it's rather hard to tell what it was doing.

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[X_Digger]

12. Personally?

I thing it's just not high on the agenda in the white house.

Having heard a preview of the state of the union address talking points, I'm not hearing much of anything concerning these agenda items.

[benEzra]

21. I agree, and believe that is a good sign. (n/t)

[jmg257]

23. You have to check the "Urban Policy" agenda, the desire for a new AWB is still there.

(whitehouse.gov)

[benEzra]

24. Crap, you're right. Well, here's hoping it doesn't go anywhere. (n/t)