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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:43 PM
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U.S. Is Arms Bazaar for Mexican Cartels
PHOENIX — The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the fire power that greeted them.

When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy gun store here called X-Caliber Guns.

Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges he sold hundreds of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers, knowing they would send them to a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa. The guns helped fuel the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.

Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers are arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border. It also offers a rare glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and wielded in horrific crimes.

“We had a direct pipeline from Iknadosian to the Sinaloa cartel,” said Thomas G. Mangan, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:51 PM
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1. Full auto by any chance?
I didn't know you could cash and carry that kind of stuff anymore.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:09 PM
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5. Not if they are coming through USA dealers.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 05:04 PM
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8. Not since 1934...
and new manufacture for the non-LEO civilian market was completely banned in 1986.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 12:53 PM
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2. Mexico does a great job screening incoming traffic into their country



The right hand side is traffic entering into the US. The lefthand side is traffic entering Mexico.


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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:21 PM
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3. another interesting article about the problem
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 03:35 PM
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6. Seems the AG is focusing on the wrong problem.
Edited on Thu Feb-26-09 03:54 PM by davepc
The U.S., with less than 5 percent of the world’s population, consumes more than half of the world’s drugs; most of the marijuana and methamphetamine, much of the heroin, and 90 percent of the cocaine comes from or through Mexico. “U.S. consumers are already financing this war,” Medina Mora tells me, “only it’s on the wrong side.”


Legalization makes this disappear overnight. The United States refuses to learn the lessons from prohibition.


Mexico has no gun-tracing system of its own, so it relies on the A.T.F., to whom it sends between 3,000 and 7,000 trace requests each year. A special Mexican federal police unit has been set up to investigate gun trafficking, but according to people who study Mexican law enforcement, the country has a long-standing, intense aversion to conducting serious investigations, and the main branches of the federal police are constantly at loggerheads. One American agent working on the gun problem in Mexico City says, “They don’t have the skills, they don’t have the knowledge, and they don’t have the training. They want us to give them everything on a platter.”

Then there is the corruption, endemic on the local and state levels but common enough in the federal police force as well. In 2005, Mexico’s attorney general reported that one-fifth of the federal force was under investigation. It’s not a black-and-white affair, though. City police loyal to traffickers are known to supply them with guns (and vice versa), but honest cops who work in poor departments also buy guns on the black market for protection. According to the agent in Mexico City, however, even the federal police often don’t report the guns they seize; they either keep them for themselves or, more troubling, resell them to criminal organizations along with such items as uniforms. (Cartel hit men often wear police uniforms, either as a disguise or because they sometimes are the police.) It’s not uncommon for seized guns to end up at new crime scenes later.

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In 1985, Mexico disbanded the entire Direcciones Federales, the predecessor of the current federal police force, after high-ranking officials were implicated in a D.E.A. agent’s murder. At least twice since then, its head narcotics officers have been tied to cartels, as have members of all three major political parties and, reportedly, at least two presidential families.


I fail to see how US gun laws are going to fix the broken system in Mexico.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:43 PM
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11. "I fail to see how US gun laws are going to fix the broken system in Mexico."

I almost believe you.

Myself, I fail to see how decriminalizing drugs in the US is going to solve the organized crime-related violence in Mexico.

First, do we really imagine that the US is going to open its borders to all the drugs in the world, even if decriminalization of possession occurs?

Second, what do you imagine is going to become of the gangs and other criminal organizations now involved in the drug trade -- and all their firearms?

They're going to beat them into ploughshares and go take a siesta between shifts at tilling the fields?

The war on drugs isn't the problem. Organized crime is. Criminal organizations will find an activity to engage in, to make profits, no matter how many now-outlawed activities are decriminalized. Organized crime really isn't a product of poverty and all those root causes alone. It gets its footsoldiers there, but it isn't caused by them.

And as long as they have weapons to defend their territory, intimidate their rivals and customers and their adversaries in officialdom, and enforce their demands, they are going to do it.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 02:18 PM
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4. Yeah, yeah, and what about the billions of dollars in weapons and other military
equipment the U.S. government is supplying to Mexico in the far greater arms bazaar called the U.S. "war on drugs"? How much of that is getting re-directed to the cartels?

I am totally, totally, TOTALLY against the militarization of our own and other societies with the corrupt, failed, murderous "war on drugs." And I am totally, totally, TOTALLY for the complete decriminalization of all drugs.

If we really want to stop drug cartels, we will cut the profit out of the market, by decriminalizing it all. There is no other way.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 04:58 PM
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7. So...
So Mexicans are abusing our liberties for their own gains.

Do you want to restrict our liberties to cut off their gains?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:07 PM
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9. Sounds like Mexico has a problem with crime
Maybe they should keep their criminals under control.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 07:37 PM
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10. sounds like a few people still haven't heard

Ignorant ethnocentrism isn't in fashion this year.
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jeepnstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 08:16 PM
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12. The criminals are in control.
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