On Glenn Beck's New Website....

[tucsonlib]

..someone left this comment yesterday:

In regard to everyone's questions, fears, and concerns on this page, I do believe there is but one solution. Firm on wavering (sic) resistance to the system. The right to keep and bear arms has been infringed beyond recovery. Let US recover it! We need to show these government worms that THEY ANSWER TO US! Americans should be allowed to own any equipment equivalent to the military. How are we supposed to defend ourselves against automatic weapons and hi-cap magazines when they are OUTLAWED from us? Convert your weapons! build auto sears! We will have to become criminals in order to fight for our nation. I have built auto sears for myself and my friends, and they will be installed, should this turn to rebellion. The government has designed these laws for banning certain firearms so that they would be met with little to no challenge. Bolt-actions and semi-automatics VS High-capacity automatic TRAINED fire... It will be a slaughter.

If the criminals and government can have automatic weapons, then SO CAN I AND EVERY OTHER AMERICAN LOOKING TO FIGHT FOR THEIR PROTECTION AND PROSPERITY!

:crazy: :tinfoilhat:

[dbonds]

1. He's not just crazy, he's dangerous and inciting violence.

[Bolo Boffin]

2. Glenn Beck is going to get somebody killed.

And it better not be Barack Obama.

[geckosfeet]

3. Thats why there are gun laws. To make criminals out of people like this idiot.

The devil made me do it theory of self defense. Hope he gets a visit from the BTF real soon.

[MadMaddie]

4. Glen Beck is allowing this on his site as far as I concerned he

is inciting this hysteria.

No one has talked about taking their damn guns. At what point do local police departments and the FBI get involved in this crazy shit.

These nut jobs will go after and kill and maim innocent minnorities, women, gays, liberals, former Republicans and anyone else that doesn't agree with them. They will become more desperate as the economy continues to spiral ( I do believe it will mend but not until 2010).

[Naturyl]

5. "Looking to fight."

This guy isn't preparing for a fight, he's hoping for one.

Creepy.

[TheWraith]

6. Not just a fucking idiot, but I suspect a damned liar as well.

Putting aside the stupidity of claiming that the 1934 National Firearms Act is part of a New World Order type conspiracy...

Converting a semi-auto weapon to automatic is a hell of a lot more difficult than just cutting some new parts. You might as well rebuild the entire gun. In fact, to my knowledge there's not a single case of a converted weapon having been used in a crime in, well, years. Maybe decades. If you had the machining skills to do that, you'd probably find it easier to build a full-auto blowback weapon from scratch.

Further, despite what this moran thinks, firing faster is not the same thing as firing better. The main purpose of auto-fire in military weapons is to provide suppressing fire, and to prevent massed infantry rushes. Unless you're fighting at relatively close range, against a known position, it's fairly useless. Precision shooting requires single-shot capacity.

Lastly, I'd ask dumbshit here if he also thinks that civilians should be able to own jet fighters and nuclear weapons, since those are "equipment equivalent to the military."

[Tim01]

7. IF he had built full auto sears

would that be some sort of violation? I don't really know this stuff.

[TheWraith]

8. Yes.

The production of full-auto parts (assuming the person could actually do it), or some things which amount to mechanical hacks that allow the conversion of some older semi-auto designs to full auto, would be equivalent under the National Firearms Act to producing actual machine guns. Even owning full-auto components is considered equivalent to owning a machine gun. It never has to be installed in a gun--you don't even need to own a gun for it to be illegal to possess.

[gorfle]

10. Not quite true.

As I understand it, it is not illegal to own fully automatic firearm components.

What is illegal is to own fully automatic firearm components and a receiver that they can be installed in. Even if they components are not installed in the receiver - if you own the components and the receiver this is the same as owning an unregistered machine gun.

But you can own the components by themselves. This is my understanding of the situation.

[Hoopla Phil]

12. I believe you are correct.

The ATF uses some term like readily convertable or some such. Like most housholds don't have all the basic components to build a bomb in under their kitchen sink.

You can have a full auto sear for an M-16 but you better not have an AR-15 in the same house or garage.

[TheWraith]

14. Actually you can't install an M-16 sear in an AR-15.

They changed the parts specifically to prevent that.

[Hoopla Phil]

16. Starting several years back the machining process was

changed by Colt. The "notch" needed to accommodate the full auto sear was no longer machined out. I know several other manufactures did not make the tooling change as it was never mandated by law.

[TheWraith]

15. You may be right.

My understanding was that possessing the components to convert a weapon (unregistered) was equivalent to possessing the weapon itself. But never having had much interest in NFA3 weapons, I haven't looked at it that carefully.

[Hoopla Phil]

17. This is really a very confusing issue as there are different standards applied

to different firearms based on the easy of conversion. The AR-15 is one of the most tricky as it is very easily converted. ATF has said that if you have an AR-15 and an M-16 full auto sear you are in "constructive possession" and in violation of the law period. They have also gone so far as to say that if you have an full auto bolt carrier in an AR-15 you are in violation of the law. If you have a sten parts kit and a piece of exhaust tubing with a template stuck to it you are in constructive possession of a machine gun. But, as I understand it, if you have a FAL type rifle and a "safety sear" in your possession you are O.K. because it requires extensive machine work to make the FAL rifle accept the "safety sear". It is all very confusing and people have been sent to jail for ignorance alone with no ill intent.

[itsasecret]

23. not quite right

"Constructive possession" is the term the ATF uses, but it is for things like SBRs (Short-Barrel Rifles). When it comes to full-auto, the piece that makes the gun full-auto (like an auto-sear or equivalent part) is treated as the machine gun. For example, someone makes a backplate that will slip onto a Glock and turn it into a select-fire weapon, but it's illegal to own that backplate, even if you don't own a glock (he only sells to police and military).

"Constructive possession" comes into play if you own, for example, an AR-15 upper with a short barrel and several AR lowers but none registered as an SBR or no pistol lowers. You would be breaking the law in that case.

[jeepnstein]

9. What a nut!

He's begging for the ATFE to bust him in hopes of becoming a martyr.

I think he's feeling left out because everyone is picking on Rush these days.

[gorfle]

11. He's an idiot.

Machine guns will be virtually useless in any revolution against a technologically superior force. Machine guns are suppression weapons designed to prevent forces from advancing on your position.

Any resistance force holding a position fortified with a machine gun that prevents an infantry advance will simply become the receiving point for an artillery barrage or air strike.

The best use of civilian weaponry in a rebellion will not be for toe-to-toe battles but assasinations.

[itsasecret]

24. disagree

While the insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban don't win battles when they try to hold ground against our military, they've still managed to find plenty of uses for their machine guns and kill way too many of our soldiers with ambushes, etc. If you don't think those same tactics would be used here in any sort of revolution, you're kidding yourself.

[rrneck]

13. Whatzit with all these idiots

looking to fight off an entire army with a machine gun? Have they figured out how to shit bullets? Compartmentalized thinking at its finest.

I'd like to see someone hooked up to an MRI machine just to see exactly what gets fucked up inside their heads when they listen to that bullshit.

[Hugabear]

18. What's wrong with the logic of his argument?

Let me make this perfectly clear: I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS IDIOT!!!!


HOWEVER...if one of the intentions behind the 2nd Amendment is to give citizens the ability to fight back against an oppressive government, then wouldn't it make sense that the citizenry should have access to the means to do so?

[TheWraith]

20. Partly yes, but that idea is now antiquated.

It was formed at a time when the most common weapons were smoothbore muzzleloaders, and even rifled barrels were rare. In that case, a civilian force could credibly have parity of firepower with a military opponent.

Now, however, any real military force has combat planes, close air support, artillery, long range missiles, and nukes. You can't match that in a civilian capacity. At most, you could put together what amounts to a guerilla force, something on the level of the Iraqi insurgency. But whether or not that's a credible deterrent depends on how squeamish the other guys are about collateral damage getting rid of you.

[itsasecret]

25. guerilla forces win wars regularly, even today

and if there's one thing the American government has shown, it's that we're quite squeemish about collateral damage. Remember two years ago when everyone thought Iraq was a lost cause, and we should pull out and give up the fight? That was done by a guerilla force. They had machine guns, hunting rifles, and home-made explosives.

[davepc]

19. Who the fuck cares about Glenn Beck or his web site?

[spin]

21. If I read this corectly...

the comment was made a poster (not Glen Beck).

It would be nice to have a link. I tried to read through all the comments but couldn't force myself to do it.

While Glen Beck holds some strange views, his listeners may hold the more dangerous ones.

From what I understand, turning a semi-auto weapon into a fully auto weapon is not as easy as you often hear. The advantages of doing this would be marginal at the best. Full auto wastes ammo and just forces your opponent to keep his head down until you run out.

If this guy does decide to start a revolution with his converted fully auto weapons and face a true military force, he will have a very short life expectancy.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. Wow an anonymous post on a conservative site with no link.

Someone found a random nut or someone acting like a random nut on the internet. I can't tell you how shocked I am. :sarcasm:

David