Concealed Weapons Laws

[CandyCrim21]

Okay so call me behind in the times but I just recently found out that the state of Colorado finally managed to pass a concealed weapons law as long as you have a permit. Other than that if its in plain view, even if its loaded its still totally leagal. You can walk down the street here with a gun strapped to your waist and theres no problem with it. I was just wondering what the laws are like in other states pertaining to concealed weapons. Got anything for me?

[TexasMexican]

1. In Texas

In Texas you are free to carry rifles, loaded, unloaded, concealed or not without any permits.

For handguns you can only carry them concealed with a concealed carry permit. You are not allowed to carry them openly in public.

[sventvkg]

2. up here you do not need a concealed permit for handguns!!!!!

Hey, just pack the heat!!! No need for a permit!!! Alaska is certainly the last hold out, Wild Territory..Hence I LOVE IT!!!! Not that I carry a Gun, other then when i'm in the Wild..WAY too many BIG BEARS..

[izzie]

3. I used to live there and had friend that kept one on dash board.....

When she was out in country, and she was a real Alaskan as her father and mother were even born in the state. They are really gun happy in that state and Maine is not far behind.I think Am just love guns.

[CandyCrim21]

35. Surprises me

That you don't even have to have a permit. Thanks!

[jhfenton]

4. Concealed Carry Laws

Quick summary of concealed carry laws:
* 2 states (AK, VT) require no permit for concealed carry
* 34 states "shall issue" CC permits to anyone who qualifies (background check, possible training requirements)
* 9 states "may issue" CC permits, depending on where you are and whom you know
* 5 states have no provision for legal concealed carry (OH, WI, NE, IL, KS)

Many states, including Ohio, also permit open carry, as you describe. Open carry has become popular in Ohio recently as a protest against Ohio's failure to implement a "shall issue" CC permit system. I have personally participated in two open carry "Defense Walks," and I have openly carried individually on a few occasions. I haven't had so much as a comment at any of the stores or restaurants where I've gone while carrying.

[CO Liberal]

5. Many Of The People In CO Who Worked For This......

...had to sign the petitions in crayon because they can't be trusted with sharp objects.

:-)

[TexasMexican]

6. how about the territories.

Anyone know what the gun laws are like in Puerto Rico and Guam and whatever.

[jhfenton]

8. Puerto Rico

The laws in most terrorities are fairly unfriendly.

Puerto Rico has very restricted "Special Carrying of Arms Licenses" that are available only if certified by a judge. They are normally issued only to those involved in security work.

"Arms Identification Cards" are generally available to any non-prohibited possessor who applies, but they do not permit carrying concealed weapons, only possession and use at home and at shooting ranges, for example.

The U.S. Virgin Islands are similar to PR, just with more restrictions on everything.

I'm not sure about Guam.

[demsrule4life]

7. That says alot about your side not being able to stop it :)

[CO Liberal]

9. Not Really......

It shows theyre are a lot of idiots in this state who'll vote for anyone with an "R" after their name. And the assholes that wind up in the legislature do whatever the gun lobby tells them to do.

[leanings]

10. Aw, man.

Now I'm sure those fine people in Colorado will experience a massive upswing in hot-blooded shootings, road rage deaths and the like. It'll be shootouts in the streets. After all, that's what the pro-controllers warned would happen in all the other states that liberalized their CCW laws, and that's what happened, right?

Anybody?

[Stilgar]

11. Thats what I heard

BLOODBATH, when going to CCW
BLOODBATH, when sunsetting the AWB
BLOODBATH, when against gun control
BLOODBATH, when anything pro rkba

And we must remind the people of previous bloodbaths, that would still have happened dispite whatever pro-control law they are selling.

[CO Liberal]

12. Just The Other Day.....

...a "man" in Ault, Colorado shot and killed his neighbor over a barking dog.

We have people in this state who care more about their guns than they do about other people.

[leanings]

13. So which gun control proposal would have prevented that incident?

It doesn't have anything to do with the guy's attitude towards guns, but towards violence and the value of human life. THAT'S the problem here, and it's far too complex and deep rooted to be impacted by any gun control law.

[Man_in_the_Moon]

16. After further reading COlib is WAY off in his story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=212639&mesg_id=212639

AULT - A Weld County man accused of killing his neighbor last week in a squabble over a barking dog will not be prosecuted. The district attorney says the shooting was justified under Colorado’s Make My Day Law.

Richard Hammock, 48, died Nov. 2 from a shotgun wound. His dog had been shot with a pellet gun and he went to his neighbor’s house to confront him about the incident.

Hammock was carrying a three-foot club when he went to 33-year-old Eric Griffin’s home. The district attorney says Hammock broke out the glass on Griffin’s front door and then Griffin shot him.

[CO Liberal]

20. What's Way Off??

One man is dead because some asshole just HAD to have a gun. Period.

[Man_in_the_Moon]

22. NO

On man is dead because he was an asshole and attempted to break into a house while wielding a club.

PERIOD.

[CO Liberal]

23. You See It One Way, I See It Another

But if that asshole did not have a gun, both of them would be alive today.

[Man_in_the_Moon]

24. There is no possible way you can make that claim

Not a way in the world.

We might be talking about how one guy beat another to death with a club over a barking dog.

Saying, or even thinking, that if there was no guns in this incident, there would be no one dead is foolish, and naive.

[CandyCrim21]

27. Probably both in ICU

[CandyCrim21]

26. Still

Even still, the guy didn't have to kill him. He could have just shot him in the leg or something and then took the club and called the police. Thanks for the link.

[beevul]

53. Also

after threatening to "burn him out" if Griffin wasn't gone within 2 weeks if I remember correctly.

[1a2b3c]

17. if they would write a law

saying you cant shoot your neighbor because of his barking dog this would have never happened.

[1a2b3c]

19. better yet

a ban on any dog that barks more than twice a day.

[CandyCrim21]

28. LOL

LOL, Thanks for lightening the mood buddy, I was about to cut through the attention with a knife there. ;)

[Supply Side Jesus]

46. cut through the "attention"

??

[CandyCrim21]

47. lmao

ANYTHING to show me up huh SSJ:eyes:

[Man_in_the_Moon]

15. Is this the same story as is being discussed up in LBN?

Where one guy supposedly (I havent seen any reports to proof that the neighbor that the guy blamed actually shot the dog, but who knows) shot a barking dog with a pellet gun.

Then the dogs owner went to confront the person he believed to have shot his dog. Only problem is he took along a 3 foot club and broke windows, or glass out of the door, of the supposed 'pellet gunner's house.

And the guy who supposedly shot the dog shot and killed the guy breaking into his house with a stick?

If it is the same story you seriously misrepresented it.

[moroni]

18. I think I happened to read about this incident.....

The man who was shot had a weapon in his hand, a 2X2 or 2X4 piece of wood that he used to break the window in a door. It appeared he was threatening the man who shot him. Apparently the "shooter" had shot his dog with a pellet gun. Not worth being shot over. Call the police. It seems both men made bad decisions all the way around. No excuses. Poor judgement. I might see why he was shot, but I find I cannot "justify" a death over what was a barking dog incident.

[CO Liberal]

21. The Problem Is......

...guns make it too easy for split-second dumb decision to turn law-abiding people into judge, jury, and executioner.

[CandyCrim21]

29. I don't support...

Banning guns by any means but this is a very good point.

[leanings]

31. Interesting.

I wouldn't call shooting someone who had broken thru the door of my house and came after me with a weapon a dumb decision. I would say that person had been threatening me with deadly force and forfeited his right to live. Yeah, he could have tried to wound him. Maybe he could have. I wasn't there, and from the specifics of the incident I'm familiar with I can't fault the shoot.

It's unfortunate incident, yes. It would have been far more unfortunate had the man who did the shooting been badly beaten or killed.

[CandyCrim21]

32. Good Point

Good point, I'm sure if I was in a life threatening situation I probably wouldn't be able to keep my self out of a state of panic long enough to do the "smart" thing. It is, like you said, a very unfortunate incident.

[CandyCrim21]

25. wow

Over a barking dog huh? Thats crazy. I really do with that the gun laws were more controlled. Thats rediculous for a death to result over such a stupid fight. Thanks for the info.

[slackmaster]

39. What does that have to do with licensed, concealed weapons?

Inquiring minds seek an explanation of the connection.

[CO Liberal]

41. It Has to Do With The Misuse Of A Gun

And why the old, worn-out pro-gunner mantra ("You don't have to worry about law-abiding gun owners") is bullshit, IMHO.

[slackmaster]

42. If CCW permits were issued at random you might have a point

But they aren't.

[Man_in_the_Moon]

43. What misuse of a gun was there?

Where in this case was there a misuse of a gun?

[CO Liberal]

44. Ask The Victim's Widow

I'm sure SHE feels there was misuse.

[Man_in_the_Moon]

45. You mean "Criminal in the process of breaking and entering with a ...

deadly weapon".

The guy killed most certainly was not a 'victim', but then I guess to you maybe anybody killed with a firearm is a 'victim', no matter what.

Claiming this guy is a 'victim' is an insult to everyone that REALLY is a victim of criminal violence.

[leanings]

51. OH, he means the DUDE that got shot

I thought for a second there the DOG had expired and left behind a grieving female canine companion. Couldn't figure it out for the life of me. 'Cause near as I can figure, the dog was the only one who might have been the victim of an undeserved shooting.

[1a2b3c]

14. The only place to look for CCW permits and laws

www.packing.org It will tell you the laws in each state.

[CandyCrim21]

30. Sweet

Thanks for the link.

[thetoolshed]

33. Open carry, CCDW..

Here in Ky, we have legal open carry(subject to harassment from the 5.0), and a shall issue resident CCDW program, which allows you to carry all types of concealed weapons.. :D

[CandyCrim21]

34. thanks...I didn't

realize that so many states had passed laws like this. Whats really goin on?

[thetoolshed]

36. Freedom..

People actually like being free to decide such things for themselves..

Go figure..

[CandyCrim21]

48. I can understand.....

that but I just thought, still do think, that the CCW laws would be a little more strict than they are.

[beevul]

54. "People actually like being free to decide such things for themselves."

That seems to be the "just" of it.

A little over a year ago, I moved from the twin cities area in MN (hugo) to Yuma,Az(seen it 126 degrees here in summer before..youch!!)

Here, we have open carry, CCW, and though I've been told that the "long gun"carry is like Texas, I have not verified this.


Though It did take some time to get accustomed to, seeing folks open carry never startled or worried me. Lots of folks open carry here.

Sigh, talking about this makes me miss the snow :-(

No more white christmas :-(

[leanings]

37. The NRA's argument

is that having more armed, law abiding citizens will deter criminals from committing violent crimes. The pro-controller argument is that having more folks out there with guns invites a Wild West style atmosphere where minor incidents turn into shootings. The data supports neither position. Violent, life threatening incidents are still relatively rare and the number of folks carrying concealed is still pretty small, so no crime drop has occurred. People who get these permits tend to be good citizens; those who would shoot someone over a minor incident tend to pay little attention to any weapons laws and probably couldn't get a permit in the first place due to their criminal history.

I tend to think that if there's no harm in allowing concealed carry, why not allow it? I have one, and there's been a time or two when I felt more secure knowing that I had an option other than dying should a situation turn potentially deadly.

Welcome to DU, by the way. You may be way too polite for the JPS Forum, though, referred to as the Gun Dungeon in the local vernacular. To blend in you need to start throwing around terms like "gun-grabbers" and "racist gun-loving lunatics". :hi:

[jhfenton]

38. Politeness

Welcome. We need more politeness in the Gun Dungeon. :hi:

It gets tiresome when the anti-self-defense gun-grabbers call me a racist gun-loving lunatic. As usual, the gun-grabbers need to get their facts straight.

In reality, I'm a completely non-racist, gun-loving lunatic. :tinfoilhat:

[CandyCrim21]

50. whoa

Thanks alot. I was starting to wonder if I should just read from now on! LOL This is all a new learning experiance for me. You could say Im easing my way in! LOL;)

[slackmaster]

40. The NRA's argument has no facts to back it up

A more rational and realistic position IMO holds that as long as liberalizing concealed carry laws (i.e. going to a shall-issue system) does not lead to an increase in crimes committed with guns carried by licensed people, there is no reason not to adopt the shall-issue system.

[CandyCrim21]

49. LOL Thanks

Thanks for your point of view. I'm still a newbie, still learning the strings so any more pointers you want to throw at me, I'm ready. I learn alot hanging out in your "gun dungeon", the more I learn, hopefully the more I will toughen up. Thanks for the tip!;)

[CandyCrim21]

52. Thanks Everyone

For your views on this topic. I appreciate all the info.