Oregon man protects home with firearm, hilarity ensues

[Buzz cook]

http://www.kval.com/news/local/49453732.html

'He beat me up, so I shot him. This is my house. He's an intruder'

"Smith had been at the same bar as Cramer, but it does not appear the men knew each other."

[rrneck]

1. If there's no threat, don't shoot.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

2. You think killing a sleeping man is hilarious. You need some serious help. Sickening.

[Buzz cook]

3. Sorry did you need sarcasm tags?

This is black humor only because many people would call this a "good" shooting.

[eqfan592]

5. Really now??

Which people would call this a "good" shooting? By all appearances, he shot the man as he slept on a couch. Intruder or not, there is not way to show that this guy could have been a direct threat to anybody else.

"Many people?" Sorry, but you're really blind to the issues at hand if you think that those of us who believe in a right to defend ourselves would view this as a "good" shooting. In fact, there's no shooting that's "good." It's justifiable or non-justifiable, but never "good." At least not IMHO. And I think you'll find most folks agree with that statement.

[Buzz cook]

9. Yes most would agree

That any shooting is tragic.
This is a case where obviously the shooter felt justified. That is part of the tragedy.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

12. The shooter felt like revenge and used justification as an excuse, that's obvious.

[Buzz cook]

17. Revenge for what?

I think you're giving the shooter too much credit.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. He beat me up? Maybe there was some history there, just a possibility.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Who is 'many people'?

next time, use the sarcasm tags. Your humor isn't.

[Buzz cook]

7. 2 or so examples

from a thread about the same article
1
Personally, I wouldn't convict anyone of shooting an intruder in their home, regardless of the reason.

Drunk, crazy, or just plain stupid, if you go in to someone's home uninvited then you're risking your life.
2
If the intruder wakes up and jumps up when you see them, you might reasonably and lawfully have a claim for self-defense if you fire depending on your state's law.

From a similar discussion on the castle doctrine
1
If someone is trying to kill me, I will kill them. Once they try to harm me they lose their right not to get shot. Only cowards retreat.
2
How is the homeowner expected to know that a night intruder is just "Ol' Joe the harmless town drunk"?

"Excuse me mister intruder, are you just lost or confused or do you have a gun and plan to shoot me and rape my wife?"

If someone forces their way in to my home, I'm not going to sit by and wait and see what they have on their mind.

This is one of the implications of the castle doctrine.

So did you mention that joking about someones death was inappropriate on the Darwin Awards thread? Or is it just threads where home defense is used as an excuse for murder?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

13. Obvious that in the examples the intruder isn't asleep when shot. You fail.

[Buzz cook]

18. How so? nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

21. Your examples are about home invaders not people found asleep that remain asleep until killed.

[SteveM]

14. "2 or so examples" = "many"? (nt)

[AtheistCrusader]

15. Your examples don't reflect your original post.

Show me someone advocating shooting an unconscious or sleeping 'home invader'.

[Buzz cook]

16. The first two examples came from a thread about this very article

That's why I mentioned it in the post

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Ok, the first meets your criteria, but the second does not.

The second is a simple statement of fact, not an endorsement, or celebration of the death.

Hardly 'many people', even if you do count both.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. Except they noted that if the intruder woke up and came at you.

[jeepnstein]

24. In that situation...

The threat of serious bodily harm or death has to be present when you pull the trigger. Stand up in front of a jury and say "He was going to kill me after he took a nap so I woke him up" and see how many years you get. You may beat the charge but you'll still take a ride.

Here's the part that really bothers me about this shooting. The wife took the time to call her husband home from the bar. He returned to the home and entered the room where the "prowler" was sawing logs. It will be a tough sell to get anyone to believe they were in fear for their lives.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. Black humor? Is that different than White humor?

[east texas lib]

27. It's exactly the same, only completely different!

;-)

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. Who would call this a good shoot? The prosecutor nope, the cops nope, anyone here nope.

[Buzz cook]

19. We will see about that. nt

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[Fire_Medic_Dave]

26. Still waiting.

[Tim01]

4. So, the story starts out with evreybody being really drunk...

and somebody gets shot.

[Buzz cook]

8. There is no evidence that the wife was drunk

With the exception of the victim there is no evidence that anyone else was "really" drunk.

Are you suggesting that alcohol use is an extenuating factor?

[JonQ]

25. I don't think anyone has defended the use of firearms

in "self defense" against a sleeping individual.

Sounds like a strawman argument. Just like how gun-grabbers want to ban guns so they can start rounding people up in to camps and executing undesirables. I think I remember some of them saying that anyway, so most probably agree.