Again, a pizza, a robbery, a gunshot

[slackmaster]

Another Lexington delivery man wounds holdup suspect

A Papa John’s pizza delivery man shot and wounded a 17-year-old who called in a pizza order and then robbed him at a vacant house with a fake handgun, the Lexington County Sheriff’s Department said.

The incident occurred July 5, but deputies delayed announcing it until Monday — a day after the teen was charged with robbery, and eight days after the shooting.

It was the second time in recent months that a pizza delivery man in Lexington County has shot someone trying to rob him.

The other incident was March 7, when a Pizza Hut delivery man shot and killed a 17-year-old assailant who was beating him. Deputies have arrested three other teens in that Irmo-area incident....

Neither pizza delivery man is facing criminal charges.

You'd think that these idiot robbers would get a clue sooner or later.

[Tim01]

1. Good. nt

[X_Digger]

2. What an idiot..

Is their life really only worth the $50-$100 that a pizza delivery guy is carrying?

I'll be happy when these thieves realize that armed robbery is a losing proposition.

[Hoopla Phil]

3. I hope he got to keep his job.

Too often stupid polices demand that an employee must be an unarmed target while on the clock.

[Statistical]

4. 10 years ago I delivered for Papa Johns and at that time they had a no gun policy.

I carried anyways however it was clear they would terminate anyone who violated the policy.
Not sure if it was a per store thing or nationwide and it was 11 years ago.

[eqfan592]

5. I think Pizza Hut has the same policy...

...and that it's nation wide. I know many gun owners who stopped buying from them because of this policy.

[Deadric Damodred]

7. If you aren't allowed to carry while delivering...

...and you violate the policy and carry anyway, and you end up needing to defend yourself and shoot a robber/attacker, can the criminal now sue you for all your worth since you were not supposed to be armed in the first place?

[slackmaster]

8. Possibly so, but company policy has nothing to do with it

Use of deadly force always carries the risk of litigation, even if you were legally and morally in the right to use it.

[Deadric Damodred]

9. That's not completely true.

In states with castle doctrine law, which is most states by now, if you shoot an intruder on your property, and it's ruled a good shoot, the castle doctrine law doesn't allow the criminal to sue. I was just wondering if in the case of a delivery guy carrying the robber could sue simply because even though it gets ruled a good shoot the delivery guy was violating policy. Kind of like if someone has a gun illegaly and ends up needing it to protect their home and family...even though it is a good shoot and even though they are technically in a castle doctrine state, does having the gun illegaly void their protection against being sued by the criminal simply because they weren't supposed to be armed in the first place?

[slackmaster]

13. A pizza shop's company policy doesn't carry the weight of law

I doubt that a court could or would take it into consideration in determining liability. That would be like saying that robbers have a reasonable expectation that drivers for pizza places that have policies against armed drivers won't be armed.

In states with castle doctrine law, which is most states by now, if you shoot an intruder on your property, and it's ruled a good shoot, the castle doctrine law doesn't allow the criminal to sue.

That may be true in some states, but not all defensive uses of force are covered by Castle Doctrine.

California's castle doctrine (one of the oldest among states) does not immunize a homeowner or business owner against a civil suit, only against criminal prosecution.

[Statistical]

10. Company policy is not the law.

If I have a legal right to use lethal force it doesn't matter what company policy is.

Some states provide immunity if no fault is found, some do not.

Regardless the criminal has no more ability to sue if I shoot him while on the job then if I shoot him when he tries to rob me at a gas station after I get off work.

[TheWraith]

12. No. The company can fire you, but you're not in legal trouble. nt

[LAGC]

14. Yes, this happened to a friend of mine.

There was an attempted robbery at a convenience store he worked at. He (the clerk) pulled a gun, scared the robbers off, but then was given an ultimatum by the company: "Leave the gun at home in the future, or don't come back to work." He chose the latter.

[imdjh]

15. I chose the latter.

I didn't have a gun, but one night I was working at my part time job in a c store and it suddenly occurred to me that I was putting my life on the line for fifty dollars of someone else's money and that I had been very lucky for two years. I got another second job.

[spin]

6. K&R (n/t)

[gorfle]

11. k&r

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