Open carry first responder shoots robber in Richmond Va.

[Tim01]

I have some inside info on this and the word is that the robber had shot the store owner and shot at others in the store. He lined them up against the wall and told them he was going to kill them, and was reloading. When an open carry guy(friend of the store owner) came in with a COLT SINGLE ACTION and shot the robber in the torso. That put the badguy down.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/SHOT121_20090711-230802/279571/

A gunman who had wounded a shopkeeper and opened fire on several customers was stopped yesterday when another man shot him at the store in South Richmond, authorities said.

The violent attempted robbery took place shortly after 1 p.m. at the Golden Food Market at 2701 Jefferson Davis Highway, the same store where another man was shot last month -- and only three blocks from the scene of another robbery in June that left a shopkeeper dead.

Owners of as many as a dozen Jefferson Davis-area businesses flocked to the scene of the shooting, and many were rattled by such a brazen daylight attack, said Councilwoman Reva Trammell, whose 8th District includes the Jefferson Davis corridor.

Trammell, who arrived outside the store shortly after yesterday's shootings, described a frenzied scene. One man told Trammell that the man who had shot the robber was a guardian angel.

"Whoever did it probably saved their lives in there," Trammell said of the shooter.

[Common Sense Party]

1. Good example of gun control.

Control your grip, your breathing, your aim...

[iverglas]

2. can you tell us

where the "bad guy" got his weapon?

Strikes me as an eminently relevant question here. And you're the one with the inside info.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

11. He got it from the Candian Black Market...

Bootleg Maple Syrup & Arms trade... :crazy:

Your guess is as good as ours at the moment.

[iverglas]

19. well you all should do something

about the obviously lax regulations in this Candia place!

[TPaine7]

15. Even more important is ignoring the point of the OP--

A man's choice to exercise his right to keep and bear arms enabled him to save lives.

The crucial issue is to divert attention from that fact.

[iverglas]

17. fascinating

Strikes me that the point of the OP was that someone evidently in illegal possession of a firearm used it to commit a crime and cause harm.

The other bit certainly does qualify as noise made to divert attention from that fact, fer sher.

[TPaine7]

24. Boring, actually...

The author of the OP--the world's foremost authority on its point--seems to agree with me.

But I'm not surprised that the gun control reality distortion field has mislead you. Again.

[iverglas]

31. you still have time to edit

Another grammar/spelling mistake that is like a fishhook in mine eye.

[Tim01]

21. Divert then attack.

The divert tactic is only used until something can be found to attack.

She doesn't try to prove she is right. She just tries to cast doubt on us.

Always attack, never defend.

[Hoopla Phil]

3. I'm glad the citizen was able to stop this senseless violence.

I am surprised that the citizen carried a single action revolver though.

[one_true_leroy]

4. Worked for Wyatt Earp.

Single action, that is.

[Hoopla Phil]

5. Guess I'll have to concede that point. lol

[denverbill]

6. That's because Wyatt Earp enforced gun control laws.

That was one of his main jobs in Dodge City, enforcing the law banning carrying of guns in town.

[Tim01]

9. How ironic. It worked in D.C. like it did in Dodge city. nt

[slackmaster]

8. I think it's an excellent choice for open carry

Conspicuous, rugged, reliable, safe, and powerful enough to stop a threat.

[Hoopla Phil]

12. Good points, all.

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Conspicuous is not a good thing

when you're standing in line at the gas station, and an armed robber with a gun in his pocket walks in, and starts deciding who to shoot first.

I think open carry is fine from a legal standpoint, and great for outdoors, but around people in day to day life, I think Concealed Carry is a better option. If someone is going to do something bad, it's better they not know you are armed, until you decide to reveal the fact. It's not like it's going to improve your draw much, if at all, and then you have all the grappling problems a uniformed police officer has, and a plainclothes officer does not.

[spin]

7. Bad history of crime in that area....

Business Owners are reacting to this latest shooting at the Golden Food Market and several others that have happened along Jeff Davis Highway in recent weeks.

It was June 8th, when Fawwaz Yousaf than a month ago when best friend, Ashraf Alatiyat was gunned down in his Jefferson Davis Highway Convenient store. "He was shot for money, killed for money," Yousaf told CBS 6 on Sunday. Eleven hundred dollars were taken from the Come and Go Market's register, the gunmen has yet to be caught.

But Yousaf isn't alone. In the past month, the Golden Food Market has been victimized by violence twice, both times, two clerks have been shot.

The gunmen in the first shooting were never caught, the gunmen from the Saturday's shooting was shot by a customer police say. No word on that alleged robbers condition or if any charges have been filed.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/SHOT121_20090711-230802/279571

It's hard to say, but maybe the crime in that area will decrease after the incident.

[Tim01]

10. I don't know.

It says he is being charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Maybe he got it from one of the law enforcement guys who have been caught selling guns to criminals, like that FBI agent who just got busted.

[Hoopla Phil]

13. I think the FBI guy is suspected of selling to Mexican drug cartels.

[proteus_lives]

14. A citizen stood up and did the right thing.

Good for him and I hope we would be so brave if the need ever arises.

[jody]

16. Good point, the "first responder" is often a law-abiding citizen with a CCW who knows when seconds

count, police are only minutes away.

[Tim01]

22. Even if you have nothing but a single action colt.

I just can't get over that.

[iverglas]

18. how does everybody here know this individual's nationality??

:shrug:

[AtheistCrusader]

29. What am I missing here..

I read the thread twice, I don't understand your question.

He might be a resident alien with a concealed pistol license. Easy enough to get, unless you're in Washington State, and that's changing later this month, we're getting rid of our alien firearms license. (I'll take two blasters and a phaser please)

[iverglas]

32. citizen citizen yada yada citizen blah blah blah

Gun militant lingo. Some don't even notice it.

[AtheistCrusader]

33. 'nationality' is commonly used as a synonym

for citizenship where I am from. You'll find that varies across the United States. In some regions it is used to refer to ethnicity.

I still don't understand your original question. Could you elaborate?

Edit: Are you referring to the robber, or the first responder? I still don't see any posts in this thread referring to either's nationality in any sense...



Edit2: Aaaahh, damn, I see Hoopla and Proteus's subject lines. Yeah, citizen is un unfair assumption, there is a legal process for resident aliens to posess and in most states, carry firearms. They can even join the military.

However, statistically speaking, it is a fair assumption.

[iverglas]

34. try this

Count the number of times the word "citizen" appears in posts in this thread.

I suspect the person committing the robbery was a citizen too.

Funny how the word is never used when referring to the people who get shot by "citizens", eh?

I notice language. It is seldom used inadvertently or for no purpose.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Good point.

I was just editing my post when you responded. Well, it's sort of human nature to categorize people into good/bad or our team/their team. If you asked directly, I expect they would acknowledge even the scariest, meanest felon is still a citizen, but it's not a word that springs to mind when you think of 'the bad guy team'.

Citizen carries positive connotations, such as an 'upstanding member of society'. I chalk it up to 'spin'. Seems harmless enough. Could provide for some comedy if the responder turns out to be a foreign national, don't you think?



Interesting side point, apropos of very little, the Random House dictionary carries definitions 2-4 of Citizen as a noun, in a way that does not imply natural born or naturalized citizenship. I didn't realize that, until I just looked it up. Certainly not common usage. But language varies across the country, you might ask the people who used it. I'm guessing they were just looking for positive spin, but it also applies to "a civilian, as distinguished from a soldier, police officer, etc.". Though I would be surprised if anyone here relied on that usage.

Edit: Curse my spelling

[tisfortomi]

39. Citizen

"Citizen" as in "not law-enforcement officer." See "citizen's arrest."

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Ahaha Colt Single Action.

Once more, with FEELING

[matt_a]

23. good outcome

ya i saw this story via twitter a few hours after it happened, glad there was a good outcome and it is being publicized. the owner was saying now that he is unsure if he is going to reopen (he was even thinking about going back to Morocco ) but he then it seemed like he is just leaning towards reopening but getting armed. i really wonder how many less of these things would happen if we had shop owners open carrying and knowing how to shoot... then again people are pretty stupid, might not stop many attempts

-matt

[imdjh]

25. Is it legal to yell "Take that mother fucker!" after you shoot the criminal?

Seriously, in my self defense fantasy, I take down the robber before he shoots the store keeper, and as he lies writhing on the floor I say, "Damn, looks like that hurt. Was it worth it you stupid motherfucker?"

In reality, I would probably be hyperventilating.

[Tim01]

26. I know a few guys who have been there.

If I got into a gunfight and pissed myself, I think they would figure that was a pretty reasonable response to the situation. They tell me the involuntary shaking lasts for hours sometimes.

[AtheistCrusader]

30. In my self defense fantasy

I die a happy old man in my bed, never having needed to use any weapon in self defense of myself or others.

I carry just in case, but using it is not a fantasy.

[imdjh]

35. It's not a wake up in the morning walking around fantasy.

It's a reading in the paper that the two brothers who work 16 hours a day in their corner store ten blocks from my house got shot by some piece of shit who has never and will never contribute anything to society and if I had been there kind of fantasy.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. How does it end?

Seems to me an odd thing to daydream about. Prepare for, ok, but not uh... Idunno, the word 'fantasy' is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

Responding to something like this is incredibly risky. Romanticizing about it seems odd. We had a shooting at the Tacoma Mall a couple years ago. A CPL holder responding, and failed. He ended up paralyzed from the waist down. (Pistol versus rifle is a losing proposition, in most cases)


Seems like something to prepare for, but not to 'fantasize' about.

[Tim01]

38. Good fantasy. Mind if I use it too? nt

[Jester Messiah]

27. An armed citizenry is a safer citizenry. [nt]