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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:14 PM Original message |
Do Americans Have A Right To Personal Self-Defense? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Americans don't have a right to have a life threatening.... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. SCOTUS said "We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. lordy jayzus |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm at work right now... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. A bit of waffle, some meat.. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Gotcha. Thanks Digger :) (nt) |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's a question that begs several other questions, and a few... |
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bumbum (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes Americans do, but they don't let you in Canada |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Ordinarily, |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. "I find, Canadians make sense." |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. will a picture do for a few thousand names? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Self defense is an offense against the crown there unfortunately |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. what would we do |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. Have a McLobster sandwich perhaps? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. well that's just gross |
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Deadric Damodred (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
57. I happen to love seafood... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
56. dang, another popular denizen of the dungeon |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes they do. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. her response |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. Self defense is an exculpatory response to a criminal charge of homicide. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Ummm, what? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The purpose of the 2A was to give teeth to the threat of armed rebellion against the USA. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. If that was the only 'purpose'.. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Repeal the 2A or any other of the sacred text? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. They changed what would have been fundamental to the founders.. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Why would a methodology of self defense merit Constitutional protection? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. "To wit, the harm outweighing the benefit of allowing this to continue." |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. You are overlooking something very important. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. By eventually.... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Guns made in your own workshop |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. I'm sorry, but I do not see the relation between kiddie porn an guns. you keep making it, but... |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. Hyperbole |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. They also |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. So your statement- |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. High explosives permissible? Armor piercing permissible? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. I can buy high explosives (or grenades or RPGs).. with more paperwork.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #38 |
54. The line you are thinking of was drawn in 1934 |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. and this is an answer to the questions/comments in that post |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I agree. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
79. A lesson for those who like "prohibition love"... |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. History shows that tyranny does not accept a single defeat as the end. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. If you wanted to go down like Koresh, Weaver and McVeigh |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Happiness Is a Warm Gun= Sexual innuendo... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. David Byrne is great! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. precisely |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. The right to life is a rhetorical flourish contained in the Declaration. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. yes ... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. That's a bit of a stretch. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. well, I didn't think we were actually disagreeing |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Thanks for the proofreading edit! Yes, not wishing to be overly argumentative. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I think it's funny that you make the freeper comment in regards to those... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I think it matters |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Sorry, but wrong. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Sure, no offense and the best of intentions to both enlighten and shame. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. See, and that's where you and I differ. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
80. A zealot is a prohibitionist is a zealot is a prohibitionist is a zealot is a.... (nt) |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. So you actually believe that self defense violates the criminals right to due process? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Deleted sub-thread |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
52. A simple yes/no question and she blew it COMPLETELY |
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Deadric Damodred (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. It's ok, she isn't fooling anyone. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Exactly she will likely be the most anti-RBKA justice on the Supreme Court. |
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Deadric Damodred (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Justice Kennedy is the most powerful man in America. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
58. Q: Do Americans Have A Right To Personal Self-Defense? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Q: Do Americans Have A Right To Eat Pizza? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Funny, I don't remember pizza being mentioned in the constitution |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. funny |
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Deadric Damodred (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Funny, can you point to where... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Nope |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. And yet there are troglodytes... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. there are troglodytes? |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. One identifying characteristic |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. appears to be obsession |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Be specific. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. blinded by it? |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. I guess that's the closest you'll ever get to admitting the truth. |
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Wallew (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. Raging against self defense - or what is wrong with people like this |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. what is wrong with people like |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. not your first outing with this I see, Wallew |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. "the insane loon Sarah Thompson." |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. really |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. just to clarify |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
82. Yup. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. yeah, I felt her pain |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. A meaningless question. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. lordy, that wasn't even the question |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. It was the question. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. "or words very much to that effect" |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Only you. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. fiddle with the question as much as you like |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. No, the fact is... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. why didn't you anwer my question? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Because I don't grock lawyer-speak. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. well then I'm failing to see the problem |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. "Sorry about not giving the full course." LOL |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. yeah |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. I understand, iverglas. Really, I do. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #93 |
105. She must have said that... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. I believe it was about the third thing she said. |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Hypertechnical BS |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. "I support the right to life" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. and yes |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. If I cared enough, I would look up your statements on |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:06 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. snork |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Very revealing. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Deleted message |
TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Thanks! n/t |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #104 |
113. oh dear |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #102 |
107. Check and mate. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #102 |
109. what is truly sad |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #94 |
106. Of course she does. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
110. I admit I tuned out after about three sentences |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. You invoked Christ so I wanted to add the statement "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. "brawk" |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. This is a very good point. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. yeah, stuck with Obama as President |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. indeed |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
117. anybody else wonder where "guardian" went? |
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trumanh59639 (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
118. Sure |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Do tell.. |
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Glory89fan (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
120. Yeah, of course |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. many people who join this site |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. oh dear, I missed the interruption of the disruption |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-01-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
123. She holds progressive values in high regard. The question is stupid. |
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