Senate to consider interstate CCW reciprocity this week

[TPaine7]

URGENT - U.S. Senate To Consider Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Amendment Early Next Week

Friday, July 17, 2009


Contact Your U.S. Senators TODAY And
Urge Them To Support Your Right To Self-Defense

The U.S. Senate is now considering the National Defense Authorization Act (S. 1390). As a part of the consideration of that legislation, Senators John Thune (R-SD) and David Vitter (R-LA) will offer an amendment on Monday to provide for interstate recognition of Right-to-Carry permits. There is a very high likelihood of a Senate floor vote on this important and timely pro-gun reform on Monday or Tuesday.

While the right to possess firearms for self-defense within the home has long been respected under the law, for most of our nation's history, state and local governments have prohibited ordinary citizens from possessing firearms for self-defense in many settings outside the home. Recently, however, most state legislatures have taken steps to reduce those restrictions. In the last twenty years, the number of states that respect the right to carry has risen from 10 to 40 -- an all-time high.

Now is the time for Congress to acknowledge these changes in state laws and recognize that the right to self-defense does not end at state lines. Under the Thune-Vitter amendment, an individual who has met the requirements for a carry permit, or who is otherwise allowed by his home state's state law to carry a firearm, would be authorized to carry a firearm for protection in any other state that issues such permits, subject to the laws of the state in which the firearm is carried.

Source: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5061

I trust that the NRA has accurate knowledge of the legislative schedule; that is all I am relying on them to establish.

For the fact that Congress has the explicit authority--or, better yet, responsibility--to enforce the first eight Amendments of the Constitution against the states, I rely on my own knowledge of history.

Baby steps, I guess. After decades, nay centuries, of lies, misrepresentations, gross immorality, and wanton hypocrisy at least progress is being made. But ultimately, of course, Congress and the Supreme Court should ram the Second and Fourteenth Amendments down the throats of the holdout states and localities. They have no more legitimate power to ban the bearing of arms in their borders than they do to set up state churches or ban political criticism by their rivals. They can either yield to the Constitution like the rest of America is required to, or--if they really feel lucky--attempt secession.

Call your senator!!!!!!!!!

[depakid]

1. Gun obssessives at it again

As if there aren't more important matter to deal with than more gun proliferation. Hopefully, Congress shuts this down.

[SteveM]

3. Obsessive? After 30+ years of (failed) gun-control legis.? Hardly. (nt)

[E-Mag]

4. What are they going to do next let you use your

Drivers license in other states? Or honor your marriage? :Sarcasm:

[jeepnstein]

6. All you can do is...

call or write your Congressman and make your wishes, as a constituent, known.

[oneshooter]

10. Why should you care?

Don't you have problems in Austrailia to contend with?

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?bfromind=7812&eeid=6698145&_sitecat=1505&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne

Six people clubbed to death in thier own home.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[Howzit]

16. At least they weren't shot

Must ban those infinite capacity clubs! While we are at it, ban sports clubs where people do fitness and strength training unless they are licensed as deadly weapons.

[depakid]

22. And it's been major headline news- and will be for weeks- unlike the latest mass shooting in th US

6 family members killed over the weekend- that policies such as this enable.

That's had barely a mention.

Why? Because your society- and particular your state, encourage violence to the extent that you've gotten used to it as an every day feature of your lives.

It would be sad- except for the fact that, reviewing some of these posts- it's what you want. An acceptable trade off to further your obsession.

[pipoman]

2. It's probably time for this.

There is a patch work of reciprocity across the country now. This would simplify travel immensely. I think this will also move states to adjust their ccw statutes over time to be more similar.

I have heard some concern that this would give the feds some jurisdiction over ccw.

Edit...I wonder how this would effect 'may issue' states?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

5. Oh heck yeah!

I'd say if you're 21+ and have a valid CCW you should be allowed to exercise your rights in any other states that allow CCW - so long as you obey their carry and transportation laws.

You know who this is REALLY going to piss off?
Those states that "allow" ccw but pretty much deny anyone the right.
New York, California, etc.. I can't wait to see thier heads heads explode.

[oneshooter]

7. A couple of links

To show the New York reaction.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-poguns2012984823jul19,0,5836292.story


http://uk.sys-con.com/node/1039941

They do not seem very pleased!

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[TPaine7]

23. I like how Schumer worded his silly objection:

"To say that someone who gets a license in another state can then take their gun into Central Park or into Eisenhower Park without any checking with local law enforcement is appalling and could affect our safety," Schumer (D-N.Y.) said in an interview.

Let's see, we have a negative opinion about something and then a theoretically possible bad outcome that might be in some way tied to the disapproved thing. Let me try my hand at this particular brand of sophistry:

Allowing Chuck to serve on the United States Senate is appalling and could affect our security by allowing him to give our enemies sensitive state secrets.

I think I've got it!

[Redneck Socialist]

8. Any link to the actual legislation?

How would this affect states like Vermont that allow concealed carry without a license? Will it force states to standardize their requirements for concealed carry? There is huge variation across the county in terms of what states require in order to get a carry permit.

[oneshooter]

9. Try this one

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-845

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[Statistical]

11. Nope.

I checked the wording of the bill.

If you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon in your state then you are allowed to carry a weapon in any state that allows its citizens to carry weapons.

Each state can set their own requirements but just like driver's license are required to accept CCW (or carry status without a CCW aka VT & AK) from other states.

If a state doesn't want to accept CCW from other states they can not allow conceal carry in their state.

[jeepnstein]

12. Sounds fair to me,

New York could just repeal concealed carry if they don't wish to have lawful citizens from other States doing so in their jurisdiction.

[eqfan592]

13. Crap.

I was hoping that even states that don't currently allow it would be forced to accept other states CCW permits. I live in Wisconsin, a state that I love, but the Gov, who I generally support, vetoed our CCW law when it was passed a few years ago. It's been a dead issue ever since, sadly.

I know it wouldn't make perfect sense for it to do it this way, but still, a person can hope!

[TPaine7]

15. The Supreme Court is inching its way in the right direction...

not that I fully trust them (or any branch or level of government).

There's more than one way to get there.

[Redneck Socialist]

14. Interesting

I'm surprised by that. I'm guessing the wide variety of requirements nationwide will become an argument against this bill.

[Statistical]

17. Here is the exact text.

(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.

(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.

Section #1 essentially applies to any shall issue or may issue CCW.
Section #2 was added to cover states like AK and VT which allow conceal carry without a permit.

[Howzit]

18. If I was into betting on outcomes, a large wad of cash says this won't happen anytime soon

The fact that something is a good idea does not make it likely to happen; especially when there is strong opposition from key politicians.

[Statistical]

19. I agree but I also thought the same thing about CCW in National Parks. n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

20. Agreed, but if nothing else

this keeps the gun-grabbers on defense - wasting their time, money, and effort STOPPING rkba legislation from advancing rather than writing dumbass legislation.

[spin]

21. Good point. (n/t)

[virginia mountainman]

24. I agree BUT...

It is better to have those Anti-Civil rights crusaders, FIGHTING pro civil rights legislation, than trying to pass their Anti Civil Rights crap.

Lets them face the fact, that they, are outside of the mainstream in America today, and gun control died as a national issue over 10 years ago..

Gun Rights, are the rule of the day now....They best be getting used to it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. Amen to that, Brother VM!

Keep them on the defensive, and remove that millstone from the neck of the Democratic Party.