Brady Campaign joins the VPC in deception

[beevul]

Brady Campaign joins the VPC in deception

July 23, 2:44 PM



In addition to their attempt to use Iheme’s criminal act to paint all permit holders in a negative light, they also launched a blistering attack on the dedicated law enforcement officers in Minnesota, derisively asking “how could the state allow him to hold a concealed carry permit?”

The answer is simple … if Minnesota’s law enforcement officers are going to be forced to pursue mythological objects, then I vote we launch a search for bigfoot. We will find the elusive sasquatch long before we find Mr. Iheme’s non-existent carry permit.

But did they both just make it up?

While I personally believe the VPC and the Brady Campaign to be more than willing to outright lie if it forwarded their agenda and they felt they could get away with it, I do not believe that was the case here.

The truth I believe is much more damning in its own way. While gun owners invest a great deal of time in understanding the laws of the state they live in as well as the states in which they intend to transport or carry firearms, gun control groups actually understand very little about the state of gun laws in America and the media understand even less.



http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m7d23-Brady-Campaign-joins-the-VPC-in-deception?cid=exrss-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner

This one has a little something for everyone, but highlights the faults in the original VPC report quite nicely. And while yeah, lott is mentioned, he isn't a real player in this still unfolding story.

Brady did add this to thier webpage just today, after being publicly called on it:

Lies? Michael C. Iheme had a gun permit according to the stated source... but the records failure in the case bears scrutiny, regardless of the type of permit issued (pending verification).

http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/?p=491

As another poster said hereabouts, "I don't care what source you're looking at, YOU have an obligation not to make or repeat false statements"...

And the evidence CLEARLY shows that brady made or repeated a false statement...something which they have an obligation NOT to do.

I wonder how many other um...inaccuracies (to put it mildly)...will be uncovered in the near future.

[X_Digger]

1. K&R!

This highlights many of the issues that were brought up with these 'news reports' originally.

"Study" based on initial news reports, not verified, not taken 100% on face value?? I guess we know who MichaelHarris went to work for..

[virginia mountainman]

2. Caught with their hands in the cookie jar...

Again....

LOL!!!!!

[derby378]

3. With only 53% of polled Americans supporting a semi-auto ban...

...this makes the Brady Campaign and VPC look desperate. They're like Matt Serra getting pounded by Georges St. Pierre in a UFC fight in Montreal. You begin to feel sorry for them after a while and wish they'd just tapout and save themselves further embarrassment.

[iverglas]

4. If you wish to quote me

kindly do so in a manner that does not amount to "calling out". Omitting my name from your post does not alter the fact that you have attempted to use my words against me without even giving me notice.


http://www.startribune.com/local/west/25898449.html?location_refer=Most%20Emailed:West%20Metro

Hennepin County court records show that she had an active harassment restraining order against Iheme. The supporting affidavit suggests a history of domestic abuse, including threats by Iheme to kill his wife. The complaint said police in Brooklyn Park, where the couple lived most recently, had a number of domestic assault calls.

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/39166982.html?page=1&c=y

On Thursday, Iheme was arrested at the scene and a semi-automatic handgun was found near his car, police said. Inside, police found a gun permit and Cabela's receipt for the gun, charges said. He told arresting officers: "I called the police.... I shot her. ... I shot her."

What's "a gun permit"? Does Minnesota require one in order to possess a firearm/handgun?

I guess somebody needs to do a larger study -- of individuals with authorization to possess firearms, whatever form that might take (passing a NICS check or more, as a state may require, I suppose), who go on to murder their intimate partners, or commit suchlike unpleasant deeds. (He was convicted.)


As poster children for easy access to handguns go, this chap doesn't seem to be the best.




ew, subject/verb disagreement, fixed

[beevul]

5. If you're going to imply that I "called you out" ...

Kindly do so in a manor that matches reality in some way shape size or form.

"Omitting my name from your post does not alter the fact that you have attempted to use my words against me without even giving me notice."

Uh, I wasn't using your words against you, I was using them against the brady bunch. Dog only knows how you came to any other conclusion.

Its really not all about you. Really.

And I couldn't help notice, that thats all you have to respond with in regards to the OP.

The rest of your schtick...well...thats a subject for another thread.

[E-Mag]

6. the laws on MN require a permit to purchase/acquire.

"What's "a gun permit"? Does Minnesota require one in order to possess a firearm/handgun?"

It is good for one year and must be signed by your local Police Chief. They have 7 days to investigate the person and issue the permit. This would make sense if the receipt and the permit to purchase was found at the scene.

[iverglas]

7. "This would make sense if the receipt and the permit to purchase was found at the scene."

Actually, it would make sense if he had been issued such a permit.

I have no idea what else you might be on about.

If he obtained/retained a permit to purchase a handgun (I presume what was needed and what he had) with that history / once those events had occurred, well, I'm seeing a bit of a problem.

[AtheistCrusader]

8. The distinction is important.

I don't know what that state's process is for obtaining a license to own or purchase a pistol. but the background check for a concealed carry permit is extensive.

Fingerprints sent to the FBI to be compared to solved and unsolved crimes.
FBI background check.
Local state background check. (In Washington, the relevant database belongs to the State Patrol) This catches arrests that have not yet been reported to the FBI's databases.


This is no simple NICS check. If he had Domestic Violence charges, I sincerely doubt he had a concealed carry permit, as the VPC and others allege. Entirely possible the 'bar to entry' for the 'pistol license' in that state is lower, and warrants scrutiny.

[Mercracer]

9. No fingerprints Needed.

No fingerprints for a Permit to Carry in MN. If you can pass a NICS, you should be able to carry nation wide unrestricted including School Zones and public buildings...

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Really, I wasn't aware of any states with a weaker bar to CPL than Washington.

We have no training requirement.

Fingerprints are a good idea. Catches applications with a technically clean record, but have many crimes under their belt that have not yet been discovered. Some people get caught because of this.

[Statistical]

14. So an end run around the 4th?

I mean why not take fingerprints of every citizen & resident of the United States and be done with it.

Of course it is a good thing the legal system is infallible and nobody is currently in jail for a crime they didn't commit because their fingerprints were left at the wrong scene or improperly matched.

We have a 4th amendment protection for a reason.

[AtheistCrusader]

15. Background checks are elective.

Hell, I've done 7 fingerprint checks just for international and local adoption. What did you think the FBI did with them?

If you don't consent to this form of 'search', by all means, don't. Might make some things you want to do off-limits, but it's all elective stuff.

[Statistical]

16. So you have to choose to give evidence against yourself in order to excercise your other rights?

7 fingerprints should be an indication on how widespread the issue is.

"Might make some things you want to do off-limits" that right there is the problem.

One shouldn't have to give up the 4th in order for the govt to not make some things "off limit".

[AtheistCrusader]

17. I don't have a constitutional right to adopt a child. Nor to a Concealed Pistol License.

I've been printed twice for my CPL, and the rest are for international, and domestic adoption, which are separate, and the international adoption dossier needs to be updated every 18 months, so there have been repeated printings for that.

I don't consider this a problem. Why would I? For the international adoption process, such checks are a requirement of Hague Accreditation for international adoption. My recourse? Don't participate. The standards reduce human trafficking. I just happen to be an unusual case who has a CPL, (once renewed) and both a domestic and an international adoption in the works.

[iverglas]

10. if only I knew what it was

I was addressing this:

"This would make sense if the receipt and the permit to purchase was found at the scene."

I have no idea why either would have to be "found at the scene" in order for this to make sense.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Convienience I guess...

Otherwise, I'm not sure either.

[JonQ]

13. People leaning towards fascism

often have to misrepresent themselves and the truth to get public backing.

For some reason it's not all that popular.