SHOT DOGS IN GUN NUT'S APT

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A gun fanatic who turned his Queens basement into a shooting range - and who may have conducted gruesome ballistics experiments on dogs - faces 20 years or more in jail after being convicted in Manhattan yesterday of 25 counts of weapons possession.

Suwei Chuang, 37, scion of a Flushing-based real-estate family, was caught in January 2007 near the Brooklyn Bridge overpass in Manhattan with a small arsenal in his Toyota SUV.

A search of his apartment on 40th Road in Flushing uncovered a basement stocked with seven rifles, bullet-proof vests and almost 30,000 rounds of ammo. Three dog carcasses were also in the basement - their bodies shot, bludgeoned and slashed, authorities say.

Chuang's girlfriend - a $1,000-an-hour Bulgarian-born call girl - spent three days on the witness stand describing how he threatened her with guns.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/shot_dogs_in_gun_nut_apt_66yUr86jtmUrn1tVEGBIgM

[aquart]

1. Ah, the freedom to acquire guns and ammo.

[Euromutt]

3. Not in NYC

He wouldn't be looking at 25 counts of illegal possession otherwise, would he?

[rd_kent]

39. It sucks, huh?

Right along with the freedom to drink as much as you want and then drive your car into a crowd of people. Where is your sarcasm when people misuse OTHER items they are free to acquire?

[ZombieHorde]

2. He should have been a football player, he would have been out in two to three years.

[proteus_lives]

33. They do get away with a lot don't they?

[dashrif]

49. which one

Burress or Vick both have or will have lost millions so it is more than just 2 or 3 years

[rrneck]

4. Not much hope for that one.

He should be in for the rest of his life.

[Treo]

5. And at the same time

100 plus MILLION legal gun owners did nothing wrong

[sharesunited]

7. His access to guns and ammo was identical to theirs.

[Treo]

9. No, he had to break a law to get them

Once again proving that gun control laws don't stop criminals

[sharesunited]

10. Didn't he just visit jurisdictions where he could legally purchase?

All that proves is comprehensive national gun laws are what is required.

[Treo]

11. No matter where he purchased the hand guns

They were illegal to own in NYC.

You and I will not find common ground. You are absolutely committed to banning all guns and I am absolutely committed to banning all gun laws. so there's no point ibn us arguing.
If you ever come to Colorado I'll buy you a beer and take you to the range

[Euromutt]

15. That law already exists; it's called the Gun Control Act of 1968

The GCA of 1968 regulates interstate commerce in firearms, and dictates that transfers of firearms across state lines may only occur between Federal Firearm Licensees (FFLs). As a non-FFL, you cannot buy a firearm (with very few exceptions) outside your state of residence.

That leaves the possibility that he bought the weapon elsewhere in New York State (where no permit to purchase is required), but any FFL checking his ID (yes, that's mandatory, for the NICS check among other things) would have seen the NYC address and demanded to see an NYC-issued purchase permit.

[sharesunited]

19. He was able to buy guns and ammo at one or more retail stores somewhere.

That's the problem right there. New guns and ammo available for purchase at a retail store.

[Euromutt]

22. That's your assumption; got any evidence to support it?

I never cease to be amazed how you manage to glean items of information that aren't actually in the articles. Why, it's almost like... you're making it up as you go along!

[Treo]

26. But again , It isn't going to change in our life time

So on to a viable solution, like for instance dealing W/ the criminal mindset W/out which a gun(bat, knife, car, beer, rope etc. etc. etc.) is just an object

[benEzra]

37. I'm sure that's where NYC residents get their pot and heroin, too.

From retail pharmacies. After all, there's no such thing as a black market in contraband items, right?

[DBoon]

18. laws don't stop any criminals

that's why they are criminals

Outlaw whatever you want, and amazingly enough, people will just go ahead and break those laws

[sharesunited]

20. Stop the manufacture and sale of new guns and ammo. Make it scarce.

That's the first step.

[Euromutt]

23. How do we stop every country in the world from manufacturing arms and ammunition?

From Serbia through Russia to China, there are gun and ammunition manufacturers who are distinctly indifferent to what use their products get put. As long as they keep operating, the criminal element can--and will--smuggle in their products to meet its demand for firearms (as has already happened in western Europe). How do you suggest we stop Russian, China and various other countries from making and exporting firearms?

[sharesunited]

24. If it's contraband, you seize it.

[Euromutt]

28. Just like narcotics, eh?

Because we know how effective that particular effort has been. Yessir, drugs are really scarce and hard to get hold of in America right now.

[sharesunited]

29. The difficulty or imperfection of it is not a reason to abandon sound policy.

[Treo]

32. Why do you hate guns so much? NT

[Euromutt]

38. I'll take pragmatism over dogmatism

What's the line again? "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." What's "sound" about a policy that simply isn't going to work? And what's sane about adhering to it?

And the reason it won't work is that the criminal demand for guns isn't driven by the supply; the supply is driven by the demand. Use of firearms in crimes in western Europe has increased in recent years even though gun laws haven't become any more lax, and illicit supply has risen to meet the demand. As long as you refuse to acknowledge this reality, and base your reasoning on false premises, nothing you advocate will be sound policy.

[Tejas]

44. "sound policy" - LOL!

[Treo]

27. Ok lets

Shut down every machine shop in the world and kill all the machinists, and all the people who know how to build the machines and the machines those machines were made on. While we're at it let's do the gunsmiths and everyone who knows how to make smokeless powder and.............

Get the point?

[sharesunited]

30. The point is the gun and ammo trade OUGHT to be driven THAT underground.

[Treo]

31. But it isn't going to happen So you wanna stop buy for a beer/range trip on your way back to realit

[GreenStormCloud]

35. No. And we have the votes to stop you and your side.

Your side peaked in 1994. Since then you have been losing ground faster and faster.

[Tejas]

45. Congratulations, ignorant statement of the year.

Put every employee related to the domestic gun industry out of work?

Gun manufacturers
Ammo manufacturers
Retail store employees.
Gun range employees.
Brass suppliers.
Lead suppliers.
Trucking of raw materials to factories.
Trucking of finished product to retail.
Scope manufacturers.
and on and on and.......

And exactly who is going to support all of the out-of-work financially until they're retrained for other lines of work?


You?

[Euromutt]

12. Not technically correct, but it does illustrate Treo's point

One psycho rich kid threatens his girlfriend and shoots up some dog carcasses. Eighty million other gun owners don't use firearms to transgress any laws. All acquired firearms and ammunition (though the rich kid had to break some laws, hence the difference in "access"). Conclusion?

Could it be that the problem lies with the person, not the firearms?

Maybe, just maybe?

[PavePusher]

21. Yes. We're a statisticly amazingly law-abiding demographic, yes? n/t

[proteus_lives]

34. Therefore, they must be punished too.

Logic according to Herr sharesunited.

[JonQ]

48. The fact that so few legal gun owners are doing this sort of thing

would suggest it is the individual, not the gun, that is to blame.

[katandmoon]

8. Awww poor widdle gun worshippers, let their gun loving ways not be besmirched!

[Treo]

13. Do you actualy want to discuss this or do you just want to whine? NT

[Katya Mullethov]

43. That isn't whining

That was a digital pat on the head . Ouw-ah widdle gun wuving mop heads .

[Orrex]

6. If the girlfriend was on the witness stand for three days, did they have to pay her $72,000?

After all, they list her hourly rate...

[flvegan]

14. And *boom* goes the dynamite.

[Orrex]

16. I think it's important that we establish all the facts at the outset.

[Euromutt]

25. I don't imagine court was in session all 24 hours

Maybe 8 hours a day, so $24K. And maybe she gives discounts for extended engagements.

Damn, there must have been a time that you could hire the entire working population of Bulgaria for $1,000/hour. Now, a single prostitute can make that much. Isn't globalization grand? I wonder if she knows Elliot Spitzer?

[X_Digger]

17. A story from January is relevant how? (was there some recent activity?) n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

36. What kind of prostitute is worth $1K per hour? NT

[Euromutt]

40. Worth it? I don't know, but apparently, it's what the market will bear

Evidence that some people have too much money, if you ask me.

[solinvictus]

41. If he'd been a politician or professional athlete..

...this would be no problem for him. He sounds like an overall nut case anyway by threatening a hooker and killing dogs.

[Euromutt]

42. We don't even know whether or how he killed the dogs

The article doesn't say whether the wounds were inflicted on the dogs before or after death. There's any number of possibilities here.

Not that I think that mutilating dead dogs by way of ballistic experiments is a particularly wholesome way to get your jollies, mind you, but let's not read more into the piece than it says. And do note that the article doesn't mention charges of cruelty to animals, which might suggest the wounds were post-mortem.

[slackmaster]

46. This forum is for gun-related public policy issues or the use of firearms for self-defense

Please explain the relevance of the story here.

[JonQ]

47. This reads like a movie script

budding serial killer, lots of guns, bulgarian hooker girlfriend.

Surreal.