Any thoughts on why the gun grabbers don't respond to the stories when a woman does the shooting.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

I think it's because it shatters their preconceived ideas about gun owners and self defense. To be clear I am talking about defensive shootings.

[Orrex]

1. Do you mean stories in which an armed woman defends herself against an attacker/intruder?

Or are you talking about stories in which (for instance) an armed woman has a firing range in her basement and likes to shoot holes in dogs?


If the former, I think the "gun grabbers" don't complain because it's a matter of self-defense.

If the latter, then I confess that I'm not familiar with many stories of that type with a woman as the shooter. Link, perhaps?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

2. I clarified. Defensive stories.

They routinely respond to defensive shooting stories involving men.

[Orrex]

9. Ah! So stipulated.

[ZombieHorde]

3. Because they are busy grabbing their own "gun" at the thought of the sexy gun woman.

[katandmoon]

4. Really keeps you up nights, huh? Maybe you should get another hobby than worshipping guns.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

5. Nope just seems hypocritical and shallow.

[ZombieHorde]

7. At least there is evidence guns exist, as opposed to some objects of worship I can think of. nt

[Tim01]

8. I know you are thinking about saying it. Go ahead and say it. nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

10. Any particular reason you post and then run away?

[Euromutt]

12. Aw, but I just bought a year's supply of candles for the shrine to my 1911!

Who knew you get scented candles that smell of spent propellant mingled with blood of innocents, huh? Natchez Shooters' Supply rocks. They also sell a wind chime that sounds just like brass cartridge cases hitting the floor; I've hung mine between the portraits of Richard Gatling and Mikhail Kalashnikov. Now, I must remember to light the new candles when I pray to my guns tonight to keep my family safe from harm, and to give me the opportunity to blow some punk away and get acquitted. My penis is engorged just thinking about it!

(Do I really need to insert the "sarcasm" tag here?)

Edited because "the opportunity to blow some punk" and "the opportunity to blow some punk away" are not the same thing! :blush:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

15. Cool! Where can I get some of those candles?

My 1911 is as close to God as I've gotten. Of course it is a Les Baer, Thunder Ranch Special and usually takes better care of me than Jesus. But, hey, that's just a personal opinion.

3" groups at 5o yards, guaranteed works for me.

I only wish the shooter could shoot that well.

[Euromutt]

16. Check your local gun show!

They should be right between the heat-seeking bullets and the shoulder things that go up. Cheaper Than Dirt has some candles too, but I think theirs use blood from Chinese prisoners, and they're of markedly inferior quality.

[cognoscere]

17. Not to mention that

they also contain lead and melamine.

[proteus_lives]

22. Ha!

Don't forget to draw a target circle on your forehead in gunpowder. It's almost "Gunpowder Wednesday."

:rofl:

[dashrif]

32. ass

i just spit water all over the place

[Tim01]

6. It shows they are wrong. nt

[xchrom]

11. gun owners = gun murderers, gun owning throwbacks,

gun owning tea baggers, gun owning barbarbarians...

i mean since we're at it.

[msongs]

13. gun grabbers lol is that right out of the beck playbook or what? nt

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. Just the counter part to gun nut in the gungeon. Sorry you are so easily offended.

[billh58]

28. You may not

hear about it in this forum, but it is possible to support the Constitutional concept of RKBA, without actually being either a "gun nut," or a "gun grabber."

The last weapon I fired at another human being (or ANY being for that matter) was in 1968, and I've had no reason to either own, or use, a gun since. That doesn't mean that I don't recognize, and agree with, everyone else's right to do both, within whatever legal boundaries that may exist.

[beevul]

36. The term "gun grabber"...

The term "gun grabber" predates becks being known, by quite some time.


Over a decade.


Nice try though.

[Rethuglicanhater7]

18. Responsible laws save lives

Gun grabbers? Did I join the wrong site?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

19. If you find support for the Constitution a foreign idea then yes you joined the wrong site.

[Treo]

20. Like the responsible law against murder? NT

[JonQ]

26. Yeah, why are people still getting murdered?

We outlawed it and everything!

Just like banning guns would eliminate all guns, and banning gun violence would protect us all forever, it seems like we should have stamped out murder by now.

[proteus_lives]

21. And admit they are wrong?

And that guns=evil isn't true?

They would die first.

[rd_kent]

23. They cannot use the "he must have a small penis" if its a woman!

[Treo]

24. Penis envy? NT

[JonQ]

25. Doesn't jive with their whole mentality

guns are useless for self-defense, and only as a penis enhancement for pathetic men.

A woman who would otherwise have been unable to defend herself, using one to save her own life flies in the face of that entire line of reasoning.

What are they going to say? This 90 lb woman should have just fought back using jujitsu against the 300 convict who broke in to her house at night? She only had it because she was ashamed of her lack of a large, powerful penis?

They can't argue it, so they ignore it.

You get the same results when you post accurate statistics on gun violence and self defense.

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. And because you can't get away with a gender qualification for gun ownership...

these days, they remain silent.

[Retired AF Dem]

27. I wish these two sisters that died in my home town

were armed.

GRIFFITH | A 35-year-old man has admitted he killed two sisters found dead of wounds to their throats in the bathroom of a burning house in Griffith on Friday night, police said Saturday.

http://nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/article_cef7132f-3524-5461-b95c-b69abfef1e15.html

It really confuses me why so many think it is better to die a horrible death than to have the means to defend themselves.

[HALO141]

30. Because they aren't able to close

their arguments with the ultimate winning point - The 'penis extension' argument!

[57_TomCat]

31. Most anti gun types...

prefer not to recognize the exceptions that make them look silly. Unfortunately in many cases they have ammo to squawk about. Prevention of violence by the presence of a firearm is so hard to quantify.

[OttavaKarhu]

33. Fear of facing their own misogyny

Gun grabbers pretend that the issue is GUNS not defense (of self, home, family, community, Constitution). For a long time they've gotten away with projecting their fear, and desire for control, onto a thing. This keeps them from having to examine more closely their attitudes toward the relationship between the individual and society, and between victims and predators. This is far more complex terrain and doesn't translate easily into bipolar ideology.

For instance, there are feminist self-defense courses (such as Chimera in Madison, Wisconsin) that teach women that they must always "respect" their attackers. This course teaches that guns are bad. If a woman just uses the right combination of voice tone, gestures, words, and physical engagement (with the attacker!), the attacker will stop. If he doesn't stop, then the woman should run away. If she can't run away, then she can be victimized with the secure knowledge that she "at least stood up for herself." And is, what, a hero in the eyes of other Second Wave feminists? Why, yes. I was told exactly that.

The possibility that a woman might say NO, refuse to get near the attacker, and blow them away if they don't stop is simply not allowed because, I was told, that would be "expressing violent disrespect" for that other person's human rights and dignity.

I asked, in that training, how a person who decides to take away my human rights (body, dignity, property) is more deserving of them than I. The instructor and other women in the course opined that "The test of a real pacifist is how she reacts under attack."

Really? So genocidal despots are actually exam proctors for Advanced Pacifism?

In other words, Second Wave feminism, and its adherents in courses like Chimera, teaches that a woman's ultimate duty is to be nice, and never to be equal in or superior to force used by an attacker. It teaches that if a woman is attacked, it's really her own fault for not knowing or mastering the magic combination of physical and gestural and verbal cues to manipulate an attacker out of his violence. It teaches that a victimized woman is morally superior to one who uses superior force as a moral choice.

As for the gun grabbers, in my experience when they are confronted with the fact that women, queers, elders, disabled, black people, indigenous people, etc., have always been armed for their own defense, they don't know what to do, because the Brady Bunch/Huffington Post/etc. never touches that issue. They will change the subject and inject bigotry (against rural people, Republicans, whites, men, military, etc.). They will do what we see so often on this forum--they will troll to try to create a diversion. They will have hissy fits. They will drop a load of poo in their diapers.

But they will not stand face to face with a queer person who's been bashed, a woman who has been raped, a disabled person who has been mugged, etc., and say, "But I insist you do not have the right to protect yourself with firearms. Because guns are always bad."

They will not admit that the logical extension of gun control is precisely that: to take away a force equalizer from the people who most need to equalize force.

Gun grabbers don't react to stories about women using guns in self defensive situations because to do so would reveal their biases as, basically, committed to the idea that people should be victims and slaves. Where women are concerned, that is misogyny. Where black people are concerned, that is racism. Where queers are concerned, that is homophobia.

But liberal gun grabbers believe firmly that they cannot possibly have those biases. And if asked to consider it, they get very cranky, very violent, and very rude and dismissive and hurtful.

A few I've known, I've been close enough to run the math with them, over a period of years, and when they wake up they generally come around to the idea that while they don't like guns, or fear them, they're not going to take away that right from others.

But the vast majority live in a fantasy world where nice people (i.e., they and their friends who agree with them 100%) are always safe. This generally reflects a huge amount of class and other privilege, but that is another topic, and I'll close now.

[Euromutt]

34. I have some minoir quibbles, but broadly I agree

Speaking as reformed gun control advocate myself, I think you're being overly harsh with regard to their social attitudes. I think most people who are vaguely in favor of gun control acknowledge the possibility that firearms can be used for legitimate defensive purposes, but are under the impression that it doesn't happen very often, and is therefore a small sacrifice to make for the payoff of severely restricting access to firearms for those who would use them for ill. It's an understandable attitude, because the massive discrepancy between media coverage of criminal shootings (especially mass killings like Virginia Tech or Winnenden) and media coverage of defensive gun uses is so massive. It is, of course, even worse in jurisdictions that restrict the legal possession of firearms for defensive purposes; the argument that firearms are rarely legitimately used for self-defense anyway is a self-fulfilling prophecy in a jurisdiction where doing so is against the law.

So from a utilitarian perspective, gun control makes sense if it prevents more harm than it facilitates. The question is, does it? The primary reason I crossed the aisle on this issue is when I discovered that the best available evidence indicates that it doesn't. I think most gun control advocates have their hearts in the right place, but just don't have all the information. There are also, however, those who just don't want to know; there's a few of those around here.

[TPaine7]

35. Hat tip.

Absolutely brilliant!!!!!!

Please stick around.

PS: I would like to see this post as an OP.

[one-eyed fat man]

38. Man, oh man!!!

Did you ever nail it there!!!

Especially with, "But the vast majority live in a fantasy world where nice people (i.e., they and their friends who agree with them 100%) are always safe. This generally reflects a huge amount of class and other privilege....'

You can expect a double ration of vilification and vituperation from the the most doctrinaire opponents of self-defense here.

How dare you call into question their belief that if your hide were worth protecting you would already:

1. Have a security detail assigned to you at taxpayer expense.
2. Live in a gated residence with 'security contractors' patrolling the grounds.

[Piwi2009]

39. It could also make it more psychologically burdensome for a woman

If you start in on "well, if you had done X, you might not have been raped" I think some women feel they go down that road already and it's not a good thing. It's like piling on guilt and blaming the victim. I don't want to do that to some woman.

But I admit, when I DO hear that some woman has blown away an attacker, I can only think Good for her!

[spin]

40. Welcome to DU. Great post. (n/t)

[Piwi2009]

37. Could be they over-idealize women, and this is uncomfortable to admit

They have a real basic feeling of "women are life givers, not life-takers" and that "violence is the man's way."

I admit it, I resonate quite a lot to these stories. Hell, rapists, abusive husbands, crazed stalkers have been killing US for eons, and maybe it's time for us to spill some of THEIR blood for a change.

[Buzz cook]

41. Any thoughts on why someone would start a thread with a pejorative.?

I think it's Freudian.

[Euromutt]

42. I have a hypothesis

Maybe it has something to do with a reaction to the way terms like "gun nut" and "gun worshiper" get thrown around by certain people on this board. I don't care for the term "gun grabber" myself, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if someone else uses it.

[PavePusher]

43. Yeah. Now we're worried about people who want to steal our small penises.

Whatever. :rofl:

[Euromutt]

44. How many Freudians does it take to change a lightbulb?

Two; one to change the lighbulb and the other to hold his penis-- his mother-- the ladder.

[PavePusher]

45. SNORK! O.K., that's the funniest thing I've read here all day...! n/t

[rrneck]

46. But the light bulb has to want to change. nt

[JonQ]

47. Hehe

Freud did have issues.

He should have seen a shrink.