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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:10 PM
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Thank goodness for the Assault Weapons Ban.
It did more to further the Second Amendment cause than anything has in a very very long time.
LOTS of new gun owners. New gun industries. The repeal of anti-gun laws.
And a whole bunch of fence sitters started paying attention and became gun rights supporters after they saw what was really going on.
It was proof that there are really people working to ban guns and ammo, it isn't just scare tactics, it happened.

It almost seems like they did us a favor.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:25 PM
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1. Yeah, well I just did ya a favor too, I un recd your ass.
And if I could do it 100 more times, I would.
Because when I think of freedom, I think of the ability to spray a crowd of people with indiscriminate automatic rounds.
You folks won't be happy until everyone is armed, every moment of their lives.
Sounds like Utopia to me.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 05:13 PM
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33. clearly, as evidenced here and elsewhere...
ignorance is not a partisan issue

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:35 PM
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42. It is, however, apparently a deletable one... hmmm. n/t
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:14 AM
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43. lol
it took me a second to get it, then i looked back at the prior posts!

lol

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 12:04 PM
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45. Am am not sure how my first response was against the rules...
as at least one option was demonstratably true.

I suppose my second response was a bit strong, but it was also demonstratably true.

Oh well, serves me right for sinking to her/his level, I suppose.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:52 PM
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17. Wise people have always taught me that ignorance is never something to be proud of
Go read a book or something.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:37 PM
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29. For some people, faith is more important than facts.
Fact of the matter is, despite what you may think, the Assault Weapons Ban had absolutely nothing to do with automatic weapons. It did not ban them, prohibit them, or in any way affect them even in the slightest way. Automatic weapons are governed under the 1934 National Firearms Act.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 06:45 PM
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37. You are proud of your ignorance. You sound like a Klan member.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:36 PM
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3. You've proved my point a lot better than I ever could. Thanks. nt
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:46 PM
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5. Isn't that perfect?
It's like someone said 'cue the misinformed, vociferous idjit!'
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:47 PM
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6. Isn't there a button for that around here somewhere? n/t 8>)
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 10:57 PM
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8. The AWB had nothing, zip, nada to do with automatic weapons or guns that "spray bullets"...
but whatever.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:06 PM
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9. And the "arm everyone" canard crops up in the first response
That's got to be some kind of record.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:11 PM
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10. OMG you think the AWB had something to do with automatic firing weapons.
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 11:11 PM by aikoaiko
:rofl:
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:28 PM
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13. Automatic weapons
Are heavily restricted and essentially unavailable to most citizens, have been since 1934. you do know that right? Semi automatic (one round each time you pull the trigger)is over 100 years old, you also know that right?

Here's a 10 minute video explaining the difference. It was done buy a california Police officer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:51 PM
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16. Rolling on my ass, laughing the floor off.
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 11:51 PM by slackmaster
...spray a crowd of people with indiscriminate automatic rounds...

:rofl:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:03 AM
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20. The ignorance of gun-grabbers is astounding.
:eyes:
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 10:52 AM
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25. Please explain what part of the AWB would prevent
people from owning machine guns?
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S_B_Jackson Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 01:47 PM
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28. Wow, now that's a steaming pantload of diaper dough...
the AWB had nothing to do with "automatic rounds" or the ability to shoot them. What it did do was create a false sense of security in people like yourself apparently, who are impressed with cosmetics which have nothing to do with he operation of a self-loading firearm.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 05:12 PM
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32. lol on the indiscriminate "automatic rounds"
showing ignorance.

the AWB didn't reference AUTOMATIC weapons.

those are already highly regulated (to put it mildly)

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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 07:46 PM
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39. It depends what "automatic round" is supposed to mean, doesn't it?
I mean, if it means "any round that can be fired from an automatic weapon," then yeah, there are an awful lot of rounds that qualify as "automatic rounds," even if you're not actually firing them from a weapon capable of automatic fire. Just imagine it: every WWII-vintage Mauser, Lee-Enfield, Mosin-Nagant and Springfield M1903, just spraying "automatic rounds" across the landscape, with their bolt actions' massive rates of fire! The terrifying terminal ballistics of .32 ACP rounds fired from Walther PPKs and Seecamp LWS 32s!
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 06:44 PM
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36. Could you be less informed and more obnoxious? Somehow I doubt it. Congrats.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:57 PM
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46. Survey SAYS...
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:31 PM
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47. Hahahahaa look at how uninformed you are.
Amazing. Thank you for the laugh good sir.

Feel free to point out any AUTOMATIC weapons that were EVER covered by the 1994 AWB.

Don't spend TOO much time looking though... Wouldn't want 'automatic' assault weapons to join 'gold at the end of a rainbow' legends.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 03:38 PM
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48. Ignore!
:)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:12 PM
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11. I've thought about the same thing. Fortunately the AWB had a sunset provision.
Edited on Sun Sep-27-09 12:00 AM by aikoaiko
A straight up repeal would have been more difficult.
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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:13 PM
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12. Thank goodness for Jim Crow?
If it were not for determined, institutional racism against blacks, we'd never have had the Civil Rights movement.
Well, thankfully, we did have Dr. King and the Deacons for Defense and Justice stand up for Liberty.

I hear what you say, but must we thank a cancer in remission for renewing life's zest?
All right infringements, most particularly gun bans, are cancers of the body politic.
I'll reflect upon the Clinton AWB as wistfully as healed fracture or a completed prison sentence.

It's not just our gun rights, but The People need to jealously guard, exercise, and insist upon ALL rights.
If they can make your guns disappear, then you're no longer in charge. Books, dissidents, art, film, culture may follow, and it will be harder than the Founders intended to dispute matters.

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:45 PM
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15. Gun control is racist.
Which is why I oppose draconian gun laws.

The Racist Roots of Gun Control
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

Just one quick excerpt:

The end of slavery in 1865 did not eliminate the problems of racist gun control laws; the various Black Codes adopted after the Civil War required blacks to obtain a license before carrying or possessing firearms or Bowie knives; these are sufficiently well-known that any reasonably complete history of the Reconstruction period mentions them. These restrictive gun laws played a part in the efforts of the Republicans to get the Fourteenth Amendment ratified, because it was difficult for night riders to generate the correct level of terror in a victim who was returning fire. <28> It does appear, however, that the requirement to treat blacks and whites equally before the law led to the adoption of restrictive firearms laws in the South that were equal in the letter of the law, but unequally enforced. It is clear that the vagrancy statutes adopted at roughly the same time, in 1866, were intended to be used against blacks, even though the language was race-neutral. <29>
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:55 PM
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18. Blacks are largely in favor of gun control, while whites are not.
Therefore, gun nuts favor racist policies; unless you claim that blacks who oppose guns are somehow racist against themselves. And dragging out the Black Codes from ancient American history is just as stupid as the freepers who like to point out that Senator Byrd was in the Klan a long time ago.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:45 AM
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23. That was just one excerpt, here's more that are recent...
Today is not 1893, and when proponents of restrictive gun control insist that their motivations are color-blind, there is a possibility that they are telling the truth. Nonetheless, there are some rather interesting questions that should be asked today. The most obvious question is, "Why should a police chief or sheriff have any discretion in issuing a concealed handgun permit?" Here in California, even the state legislature's research arm--hardly a nest of pro-gunners--has admitted that the vast majority of permits to carry concealed handguns in California are issued to white males. <36> Even if overt racism is not an issue, an official may simply have more empathy with an applicant of a similar cultural background, and consequently be more able to relate to the applicant's concerns. As my wife pointedly reminded a police official when we applied for concealed weapon permits, "If more police chiefs were women, a lot more women would get permits, and be able to defend themselves from rapists."

Gun control advocates today are not so foolish as to openly promote racist laws, and so the question might be asked what relevance the racist past of gun control laws has. One concern is that the motivations for disarming blacks in the past are really not so different from the motivations for disarming law-abiding citizens today. In the last century, the official rhetoric in support of such laws was that "they" were too violent, too untrustworthy, to be allowed weapons. Today, the same elitist rhetoric regards law-abiding Americans in the same way, as child-like creatures in need of guidance from the government. In the last century, while never openly admitted, one of the goals of disarming blacks was to make them more willing to accept various forms of economic oppression, including the sharecropping system, in which free blacks were reduced to an economic state not dramatically superior to the conditions of slavery.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html



Gun Control: White Man's Law by William R. Tonso

Chances are that you've never heard of General Laney. He hasn't had a brilliant military career, at least as far as I know. In fact, I'm not certain that he's even served in the military. General, you see, isn't Laney's rank. General is Laney's first name. General Laney does, however, have a claim to fame, unrecognized though it may be.

Detroit resident General Laney is the founder and prime mover behind a little publicized organization known as the National Black Sportsman's Association, often referred to as "the black gun lobby." Laney pulls no punches when asked his opinion of gun control: "Gun control is really race control. People who embrace gun control are really racists in nature. All gun laws have been enacted to control certain classes of people, mainly black people, but the same laws used to control blacks are being used to disarm white people as well."

Laney is not the first to make this observation. Indeed, allied with sportsmen in vocal opposition to gun controls in the 1960s were the militant Black Panthers. Panther Minister of Information, Eldridge Cleaver noted in 1968: "Some very interesting laws are being passed. They don't name me; they don't say, take the guns away from the niggers. They say that people will no longer be allowed to have (guns). They don't pass these rules and these regulations specifically for black people, they have to pass them in a way that will take in everybody."

Some white liberals have said essentially the same thing. Investigative reporter Robert Sherrill, himself no lover of guns, concluded in his book The Saturday Night Special that the object of the Gun Control Act of 1968 was black control rather than gun control. According to Sherrill, Congress was so panicked by the ghetto riots of 1967 and 1968 that it passed the act to "shut off weapons access to blacks, and since they (Congress) probably associated cheap guns with ghetto blacks and thought cheapness was peculiarly the characteristic of imported military surplus and the mail-order traffic, they decided to cut off these sources while leaving over-the-counter purchases open to the affluent." Congressional motivations may have been more complex than Sherrill suggests, but keeping blacks from acquiring guns was certainly a large part of that motivation. (Incidentally, the Senate has passed legislation that would repeal the more-onerous provisions of the 1968 act. The bill faces an uncertain future in the House of Representatives.)
http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_wtr8512.html


From a brief filed to the Supreme Court in the Heller case:

IDENTITY AND INTEREST
OF AMICUS CURIAE
GeorgiaCarry.Org, Inc. submits this amicus
curiae brief in support of Respondents. Pursuant to
Supreme Court Rule 37(2)(a), this amicus curiae brief
is filed with the written consent of all parties.1
GeorgiaCarry.Org, Inc. is a non-profit corporation
organized under the laws of the state of Georgia. It is
dedicated to preserving and protecting the rights of
its members to keep and bear arms.
--------------------------------- ♦ ---------------------------------

SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT
The Petitioners recite a selective portion of the
history of gun control laws in the District of Columbia,
but omit portions of that history which demonstrate
that the Petitioners’ laws are deeply rooted in a
racist attempt to keep arms out of the hands of the
politically and economically disadvantaged. This brief
will explore the racist history of gun control in the
District of Columbia and throughout the country. It
also will show how the principles of black oppression
via gun control laws of yesterday are used to oppress
the politically weak today via those same, and additional
laws.

***snip***

CONCLUSION
American history, from colonial times to the
immediate past, is replete with evidence that gun
control has frequently been implemented with a
nefarious purpose of subjugating blacks and other
minorities. Even today’s gun control laws are often
vestiges of, or the continuation of, the nation’s Jim
Crow past. At best, many such laws have greater
effects on minorities and the economically disadvantaged.
As the parties and other amici no doubt will
argue, the Framers put into place a constitutional
guarantee that the right of the people to keep and
bear arms shall not be infringed. It clearly was the
intent of the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment
to ensure that this guarantee applied to all people
and against the states as well as the federal government.
This Court should apply the Second Amendment
as it was intended, and eradicate any vestiges of Jim
Crow in the District of Columbia’s firearms laws.
http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/07-290/07-290.mer.ami.resp.gc.pdf


The fact that blacks are largely in favor of gun control is true. However the fact that I am opposed to many of the draconian gun laws proposed by liberal organizations in no way makes me a racist. I have introduced blacks to the shooting sport in the past. Once they realize that shooting ranges welcome all races they find the sport enjoyable and rewarding. (Note: I can't speak for all ranges, but the ranges I shot at in the the Tampa Bay area treated people equally as fellow shooters despite race, gender or sexual orientation.)

The Black population seems to follow the path proposed by the very liberal faction of the Democratic Party. I believe that the liberal Democrats have successfully convinced blacks that white gun owners are similar to KKK members.

Hopefully, gun owning Democrats will, over time, correct this misconception and more blacks will join the ranks of shooters and others will no longer feel threatened by gun owners.

You can always ignore history and state that it's out of date and therefore irrelevant. History is never irrelevant. Ignoring it can lead to unpleasant results.



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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:40 PM
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30. People in urban areas favor gun control.
People in rural areas do not. Black people are far more likely than the national average to live in an urban environment where the most common perception of firearms is one that's associated with gang violence. There's no history of benevolent sportsmanship in inner city Los Angeles, and little visibility for recreational shooting. You're also likely to find out that most of the people who favor banning guns are people who've never held or used one.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 05:04 PM
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31. That's pretty much what I was thinking.
Guns are more an issue of city vs country.
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 06:10 PM
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35. Define "urban"
People in Co Springs don't favor gun control. But I do see your point
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:32 AM
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19. Meh, I've never found that "guilt by association" argument very persuasive
Hitler and Pol Pot were fervently anti-smoking, Stalin and Mao smoked like chimneys; whatever your position on smoking, you have to share it with some genocidal fuckhead. That doesn't make your position wrong.

The crucial point here is, of course, that the Black Codes and the Sullivan Act weren't aimed at controlling guns so much as they were aimed at controlling blacks and recent immigrants (Italians, eastern European Jews, etc.), respectively. In Europe, gun control laws were implemented following World War I first and foremost to forestall any attempted communist takeovers, a fear mostly stemming from the governments of the time having some legitimacy problems (like putting the voting age at 21 but the draft age at 18).

But even though gun control has been historically about controlling (certain) people more than it's been about actually controlling guns, that's not to say that present-day proponents of gun control are motivated by racism, elitism, whatever. Some are genuinely motivated by humanitarian concerns, and they've been led to believe that private ownership of firearms has more negative effects than it does positive ones. That's a valid position, provided you have the evidence to back it up, and provided you're willing to acknowledge evidence to the contrary.

I used to be a gun control advocate myself; I began to shift my position after reading about Castle Rock v. Gonzales, and reading up on criminological evidence that a) the overwhelming bulk of violent crime (with and without firearms) is committed by a small, but nasty, percentage of the populations, and b) that firearms are used more often in DGUs than in violent crimes. But if I'm ever presented with compelling evidence that private ownership of firearms is a net social liability, I will reconsider my position again.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:53 AM
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24. The interesting thing is that you were able to turn from anti-gun to pro-gun...
because you actually took the time and effort to study the issue. Many of the anti-gun advocates operate on emotion rather than facts.

It's easy to oppose firearms, especially if your exposure to them is mainly from movies and TV. Also some of the anti-gun advocates have had negative experience with firearms in the past. Perhaps someone in their family or their group of friends committed suicide. That experience is difficult to overcome.

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Francis Marion Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
34. Congress on Racial Equality on US v. Timothy Joe Emerson
Edited on Sun Sep-27-09 05:28 PM by Francis Marion
This fascinating friend of the court brief contextualizes gun control's history, and what those policies meant, for Black Americans.
http://www.potowmack.org/emercore.html

Having access to Constitutionally identified (effective) means of self defense would have been of great benefit to black people, and furthermore, the blatant denial of black rights to self defense arms was one of the "reasons" by which whites and institutions justified the many other legal marginalizations of black Americans.

Of course you can't vote, work here, talk to that woman, or live in this neighborhood, you can't even own a gun!

Disarmament was a stigma from, and an identifying trait of slaves, in the time of slavery. I certainly don't welcome this repugnance today, however nicely justified or intentioned. That's beside the fact that disarmament is blatantly unconstitutional.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 07:59 PM
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40. Thanks for the link, more good info about racism and gun control. (n/t)
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 11:39 PM
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14. K&R (n/t)
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 08:59 AM
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21. I understand what you mean, but...
the AWB also gave us over a decade of a Republican controlled congress. The toothless 1994 AWB did wake up a lot of gun owners, I agree. But it had other, rather rotten fruit.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:20 AM
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22. Hopefully we won't have to learn those lessons again. nt
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st8grad93 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:03 PM
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26. What exactly is an "assault weapon" ?
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Treo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:57 PM
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27. Anything the grabbers want to ban? NT
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 07:01 PM
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38. Short answer: any semi-auto that looks scary
Long answer, going by the 1994 AWB:
Any semi-automatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following features:
* pistol grip
* folding or collapsing stock
* bayonet lug
* grenade launcher spigot
* muzzle flash hider or a threaded barrel capable of accepting one;
any semi-automatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following features:
* magazine well outside the grip
* threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extension, muzzle flash hider, suppressor or foregrip
* barrel shroud (incorrectly believed to be "a shoulder thing that goes up")
* unloaded weight of 50 oz. or more
* being a semi-auto-only version of an existing automatic weapon;
any semi-automatic shotgun with two or more of the following features:
* pistol grip
* folding or collapsing stock
* fixed magazine capacity of over 5 rounds
* detachable magazine.

In 2007, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy introduced House bill H.R.1022 which would have reinstated the AWB permanently, reduced the number of permissible scary features to one, and prohibited any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."

More informally, an "assault weapon" is anything some lazy journo says it is. One Chicago newspaper actually referred to a 1898-type Mauser as a "bolt-action assault rifle."
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 09:17 PM
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41. An even shorter answer:
An 'assault weapon' is the gun that person who says "We need to ban assault weapons' is pointing at when he/she says it!
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 05:37 AM
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44. Good point! Or, in PR/marketing terms...
..."assault weapon" is one of the most effective pieces of framing (in the social sciences sense) ever achieved.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 06:56 PM
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49. I think ultimately, it was *too* good.
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 06:56 PM by benEzra
Sugarmann intended the meme as a way to build momentum for a ban on handguns and a way to play off the public's gullibility, but the broader gun-control lobby came to actually believe the rhetoric that modern-looking rifles were a grave menace that had to be dealt with regardless of the cost. And so they rode the "assault weapon" fraud into the political dustbin.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 07:15 PM
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50. Sugarman is the Napoleon III of gun control
Where Napo the Third thought it a most excellent idea to declare war on Prussia in 1871, Sugarman thought it a most excellent idea to try and conflate semi-automatic rifles designed after the Garand M1 with flat-out machine guns.

Neither idea worked, obviously..
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