6 year old IPSC shooter using a 1911.

[michreject]

Start em young. He's pulling the trigger with his weak hand.

I shoot every Sunday between April and November. I was a little older when I started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSYCQC4D7KU

[Treo]

1. The grabbers are going to flip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0&feature=related
I bet Roman Polanski wouldn't have got his hands on this kid

[michreject]

3. WOW WTF

The shooters face up range without holstering their weapon.

[Treo]

5. There doing shoot and scan drills

in one ofthe videos McKenzie does tap rack bangs to (very well I might add)

[paulsby]

2. there is no "weak hand"

:)

i teach this at the range. neither hand is the "weak hand" or "weak side".


one side is the PRIMARY (the side you default to when you shoot), and the other is "support" (the hand you use when your primary hand is disabled)

it's all part of having a winning mindset.

[michreject]

4. In IPSC it's strong and weak hand

I teach and am a NROI certified Chief Range Officer.

[paulsby]

6. that;'s great

IPSC is about hitting targets. i'm about surviving combat. targets are people, and they can shoot back

different mindsets.

a winning mindset is key to surving on the streets

several people i work with ALSO do IPSC.

[ManiacJoe]

7. With the right instructors

it becomes "strong hand" and "other strong hand".
:evilgrin:

[paulsby]

8. yes. i like that much better

calling any hand a "weak hand" is part of a loser's mindset. that's inappropriate for combat/self defense shooters.

i like the "other strong hand" thang. i think i shall use it.

[michreject]

14. I did the actual combat thing years ago

I'm a vet. Spent 11 months over seas. Got discharged in 72.

I've been around guns my whole life. I shoot over 2,000 rounds a month. I have 4 reloading presses. :)

[paulsby]

18. i teach police recruits and veterans

so it's essential that you teach a winning mindset.

concepts like "weak hand" play into a less than optimal mindset.

interestingly, about the only time we see misfeeds on the glock are doing one handed shooting (the glocks HATE limp wristing), so when shooting one handed i teach to face your torso perpendicular to the target (vs. a two handed stance would prefer isoscoles), since you need to lean into it with only one hand, or you get the dreaded glock misfeed.

i'd say at least 90% of misfeeds are one handed, and considering we only shoot about 5% of rounds one handed (primary and support side), that's a pretty damning statistic

[PavePusher]

9. Looks like he is using a .22 conversion...

by way of lack of muzzle flip, lack of last-round-slide-lock (most .22 conversions lack that feature) and the relatively low sound level. Also has the grip panels removed to better size to his hands.

Excellent gun handling, I've seen a lot of very experienced adults do much worse.

Very nifty video.


P.S. How do you know you're a shooting enthusiast? You see a video like this one and automatically watch for muzzle-down-range-at-all-times, and finger-off-trigger-until-ready-to-shoot, instead of wailing about exposing a six-year-old to "teh ebil, ebil gunzezes".:evilgrin:

[X_Digger]

10. I wondered about that, too

(lack of lock back on last round)

Also good technique on racking the slide- rather than using the thumb and knuckle of the index finger on the back of the slide, he rotates his left hand around for a four finger and thumb grip on the slide.

[Hoopla Phil]

11. Not a .22. Look at the 40 second mark and you can see the magazines.

Those mags are not .22 mags. It's been a number of years sense I've played the IPSC game but back then .22s were specifically not allowed. In fact, there is a minimum "power factor" that must be met on your ammo. It gets complicated but it has to do with bullet weight and velocity. (yes - at sanctioned match events you have the Range Officers select 6 rounds of ammo randomly from your mags, pull a bullet and weigh it, and shoot the rest over a chronograph to make sure everyone is playing fairly.

I suspect that the gun is set up like a bowling pin gun. Light recoil spring and ammo loaded to just meet the minimum power factor. The slide not locking back could be too heavy of a spring (I doubt this as that could affect reliability) or the slide stop could have been deactivated - fairly common in IPSC guns.

[michreject]

15. I'm leaving this AM for a Level lll match

Ohio Sectional.

There's nothing preventing the shooter from shooting 40 minor. Only has to make a 125 Power Factor.

[spin]

12. Or you notice the more technical stuff...

like the lack of last-round-slide lock.

[michreject]

13. Could be right on the .22

The slide lock is no indication though. All my bottom feeding competition guns have this feature disabled.

[PavePusher]

17. mich and Phil, question...

Why disable the slide lock for competition guns? Is this a rule or some sort of performance enhancement? TIA.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

20. It's just something else that can malfunction.

IPSC and IDPA are about speed and accuracy. I'm an IPSC (USPSA) shooter myself. If your slide stop gets tripped and activated (and you are NOT out of ammo) it not only slows you down but you'd likely loose count and timing on that course of fire. Losing round count is a guaranteed way to suck up a round for most shooters. You should never be shooting to slide lock anyways in a competition (keep track of your round count and reload before empty) so there is no need for slide lock. Keep in mind the best shooters operate their pistols WAY faster than an average machinegun can shoot so even 1/2 sec is a big deal. This all controlled course fire with speed in mind, so all of this goes out the window for carrying a defense pistol.

People also disable several features including firing pin blocks, hammer blocks, pinning grip safeties, magazine disconnects, defeating chamber indicators, removing mainspring locks, and disabling slide locks. I think there may be a new rule recently involving disabling internal safety type devices though :(

[Hoopla Phil]

22. You explained it much better than I. Thanks

I remember a club rule somewhere that did not allow for grip safeties to be pinned or disabled. After a lot of complaints from people traveling in from out of town they finally dropped it.

[Hoopla Phil]

21. You are getting rid of something that could go wrong with the gun and cost you time.

In competition you will pre-plan your reload points so the slide lock is not needed. You should never run the gun dry - if you do, you've done something wrong. There have been occasions where a gun locked back when it should not have. I've seen it happen at matches once in a blue moon. So for a competition gun, not one that would be used for self defense, you are just eliminating one of the things that can go wrong with the gun.

[Hoopla Phil]

19. Here's a few pics that can help.

This is what a .22 mag looks like for the 1911.




You'll notice at the 40 second mark that the mags in the carrier do not look like that but close to this.

[PavePusher]

24. There are many different .22 mags for the 1911.

Mine are unfortunately plastic and look more like the bottom pic than the top. I'll try to post a photo later.

[GreenStormCloud]

25. LOL. And you notice other stuff too.

You see the muzzle drop when he fires on an empty chamber, and his slide rack technique, and you are proud of the kid for doing as well as he does. And you wish you could see his targets to know how well he is hitting.

[cognoscere]

16. Two things I noticed:

He wasn't counting his rounds, unless the rules call for you to pull the trigger on an empty chamber. When he didn't get a bang, there was a significant downward jerk on the weapon.

[DissedByBush]

26. Yes, classic shooting mistake

He's not hitting much if he's anticipating recoil. But he is only six.

I also noticed with his grip he's in serious danger of having his right index finger grabbed by the slide. That is a safety issue that the parents should not be overlooking.

[Francis Marion]

23. I think he's too young for gun n' run.

This young man should be shooting 22s, from stationary position, until he's at least 10.
He's anticipating recoil and although is good about reloads and muzzle discipline, he's not managing his shots. Too much for him at this time.