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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:05 PM Original message |
Sportsmen and gun groups outraged at new California law... |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. The Second Amendment says |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That canard has been passed around and discarded. |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Why aren't NRA |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Someone needs to read up on his Supreme Court decisions |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You mean conservative judicial activism |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So, whenever a decision is made that you dont like, it's JUDICIAL ACTIVISM? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Heller is exactly the fathers intent. Read the research and footnotes in Heller. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
52. Please share with us. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Heres the link to Heller...you can read it yourself and remove your ignorance on the subject |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. "the Second Amendment right is exercised individually and belongs to all Americans." |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. Ahh, another poster ignorant of what the bill of rights is... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
51. THEY ARE. |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Well you seem to have |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Give me |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. LOL Ha Ha Ha. Funny hyperbole there. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
53. Red Herring. |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Well you seem to have |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Deleted message |
rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Your ignorance is exposed, thanks to Atheist Crusader |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Lots of talk but no |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. WTF are you talking about? The answer is right infront of you. |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Thats right lets all |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Hahaha! Minutia? The congressional record on the subject is minutia? |
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nykym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. It's really simple. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I dont LOVE guns |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
54. This issue is not about loving or not loving guns. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Why don't we try to control gangs in California... |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Like it or not Ammunition IS part of the definition of Arms as used in the 2A. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. The definition of Arms includes firearms AND the ammunition that goes in them. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's a bullshit, do-nothing law. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. What a load of crap. Remember when California kind of represented freedom? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
6. Tennessee was like that too. nt |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
8. While gun shop owners in Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona are overjoyed. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. While the .50 cal ban didn't impact many and the bullet ID thing fell through... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Both the California Assembly and Senate |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Yes, there are better Democrats out there than the ones who voted for this. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
18. It doesn't ban mail-order sales of reloading components |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. It seems the law covers more than "ammunition" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That language refers to the section that provides a penalty for selling things to prohibited people |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. This may spread like the swine flu to other states... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Deleted by poster... |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
36. K&R |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
37. Cabela's restrictions on shipping ammo to California... |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
39. Logging ammo sales was a Federal thing... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. So, would FOPA prohibit fingerprinting ammo sales? |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. IANAL... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I'm pessimistic |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. Ammo sales logbook requirement |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Thanks, I wasted a lot of time trying to find that... |
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Israfel4 (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
43. Someone is going to make |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
46. So how does this law square with The Interstate Commerce Clause? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. There is all kinds of precedent for states doing that |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I know that CA has done these in the past. But have any of those ever been challenged |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
50. Attempt to repeal law before it takes effect .... |
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