Fireworks stand operator kills one robber, seriously wounds another, third escapes.

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/20091226/NEWS01/912260310

One dead, one wounded in shooting at stand

One person was killed and another seriously wounded Friday night as a fireworks stand operator shot at three suspects who attempted to rob him and another person.

According to Capt. Matt Davis with the Rapides Parish Sheriff's Office, two people - and man and a woman - were closing the Crooks' Fireworks stand at the corner of South MacArthur and Jeff Davis drives around 6:20 p.m. when they were approached by three young adults. Davis said all three were armed with handguns.

One of the two operators opened fire with their own weapon. One suspect was killed at the scene, another was wounded and the third escaped. The wounded suspect was taken to a local hospital in serious condition, and the third suspect was captured a short time later, said Davis.

According to certain antis who regularly post here, the bad guys were supposed to get an automatic victory because they already had their guns out. What went right here? The good guy was outnumbered 3 to 1 by armed goblins, and the GG put one away, one in the hospital, one to flight. I suspect that the GG took training and range time.

[Way2go]

1. The killer was a robber. nt

[Katya Mullethov]

17. Robber killed by Crooks

glad it wasnt me that had to deal with em .

[sharesunited]

2. This story is so full of gunpowder, I'm just going to run the other direction.

I count four idiots.

[Name removed]

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[sharesunited]

4. Me?? I fled! That's wisdom.

[TPaine7]

27. It is wise in many instances for the unarmed to flee armed opponents.

Of course this is an INTELLECTUAL battle, so it would be wise for an idiot to flee.

Which begs the question--is "wise idiot" a contradiction in terms?

[proteus_lives]

5. We all know how much you hate self-defense.

[bluedave]

6. offense

is the best defense

[sharesunited]

7. Or do you just enjoy shoot outs?

Especially amidst an inventory of fireworks.

Awesome!

[proteus_lives]

8. Do you enjoy being passive?

Awesome!

[sharesunited]

9. Ghandi was just a wuss.

[proteus_lives]

10. Now you're Ghandi?

Wow, how do you fit that ego through the door?

What a funny little man you are. :rofl:

[sharesunited]

11. Hopefully not. He was a victim of handgun violence.

[proteus_lives]

13. What a way to shuffle facts.

Ghandi was killed over handguns? Yeah, roll with that.

What else can you twist into an anti-Rights argument?

[SteveM]

44. I presume you mean "Gandhi." Here is what Gandhi said:

"Taking life may be a duty... Suppose a man runs amuck and goes furiously about, sword in hand, and killing anyone that comes in his way, and no one dares to capture him alive. Anyone who despatches this lunatic will earn the gratitude of the community and be regarded as a benevolent man."

Elsewhere, "Fatalism has its limits. We leave things to fate after exhausting all the remedies. One of the remedies and the final one to relieve the agony of a tortured child is to take his life."

-- All Men Are Brothers. Life and Thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi, Navajivan Pub. House, Ahmedabad, 1960.

You would agree that Gandhi's passive philosophy was a bit more muscular than the saccharine stuff peddled in the late 60s?

[GreenStormCloud]

12. Ghandi's pacifism only worked against the British.

Ask the Jews how pacifism worked for them in WWII.

[sharesunited]

15. Waging war against the government is your 2A justification?

Been there, done that. It was called the Civil War. Never again.

[GreenStormCloud]

18. Nope, just pointing out that that truly evil agressive people are not contained by pacifism.

Whether on the small scale of a mugging, or the grand scale of global war, violent evil can only be contained by counter-violence. I have guns to be able to protect myself and my wife from violent felons. I strongly believe that self-defense is a natural right, and that includes access to the tools of self-defense.

I have asked you several times, and each time you have avoided the questions. What tools would you allow a citizen to procure to be able to defend themselves.

[Yupster]

23. I read a short story a while back

Main point was that England collapsed in WWII, and a German Army went through Persia and occupied India. The Britsh Army there had a formal surrender to Germany and Field Marshall Walter Model was appointed Germany's Governor of India.

The story revolved around Gandhi organizing protests against German occupation.

Model ordered Gandhi arrested and had a talk with him the gist of, hey Gandhi, you're an interesting little man. I like you. So keep yourself out of trouble.

After a few more protests, Model orders his troops to fire on the marchers and Gandhi is brought in again. Again, Gandhi visits with "The Fuhrer's Fireman," explaining the theory behind non-violent resistance this time while Model is having lunch. Again, Model tells Gandhi that he's enjoyed talking to him, but then orders him taken out for the "noodle" at which point, Gandhi is taken into the courtyard and shot in the neck.

The story ends with the Field Marshall asking his aide how he ever got such good sausage into India so quickly. "An excellent lunch," he summed.

It may have been by Harry Turtledove. Not sure.

[petronius]

26. You're right on Turtledove - the story is 'The Last Article'

The ending was certainly chilling...

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

43. Ghandi and Stalin... n/t

[rd_kent]

14. Reminds me of a dog that immediately rolls on its back and presents its belly....

[Tejas]

19. "I count four idiots" - huh?

[GreenStormCloud]

20. Not the way shares meant it, but that would be:

Three young criminals, and shares.

[sharesunited]

29. The fourth would be the fireworks vendor. Serving a manifestly depraved clientele.

[PavePusher]

30. WTH are you talking about?

Please, expound...

[sharesunited]

36. Please. You have a tough enough time defending guns.

Don't complicate your life by trying to defend fireworks too.

[GreenStormCloud]

37. Fireworks are fun.

As a kid I used to get some every fireworks season. Yes, I know that sometimes there are injuries, but that happens with all human activities. The modern aerial displays are much prettier than when I was a kid.

[PavePusher]

38. Does the phrase...

"wet blanket" sound familiar?

Any other fun but non-productive activities you'd like to ban?

I do bicycling, motorcycling, rock climbing, slef-powered water sports, skiing and sometimes I just like to lie in the sun with a beer or three and dream up ways to annoy people like you.

There is a movie you should watch... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

[GreenStormCloud]

40. Looks good. I put it on my Netflick list. Thanks. N/T

[burrfoot]

46. What a great recommendation!

I love that movie! Not terribly well known.

I salute you, pave, for such good taste in movies :)

:toast:

[PavePusher]

54. I do what I can. Cheers! n/t

[rd_kent]

39. Please point out anyone who has tough time defending the Second Amendment in here.

Only you and your kind seem to have any problem, as all you post is nonsense, hyperbole and inflammatory comments.

[rrneck]

31. LOL!

Unbridled sanctimony can make people say the most ridiculous shit! The vendor was an idiot because of his customer's depravity.

A new high in low.

[GreenStormCloud]

34. Defending his own life makes him an idiot? N/T

[rd_kent]

35. Ahh, more incoherent gibberish from shares.

[SteveM]

45. Either you are traveling in cognito as a would-be comic, or...

you are so severely pristine in your cleanliness and wholesomeness that you can easily condemn someone for "serving a manifestly depraved clientele," whatever that means. How many times a day do you wash?

[GreenStormCloud]

47. By "depraved clientele", I think he means everybody who buys fireworks. N/T

[SteveM]

62. I was't sure. This guy is into the lifestyle of prohibitionism. Yecch (nt)

[east texas lib]

16. Well that certainly went well for our thugs-in-training...

Perhaps a re-assessment of the risks to benefits ratio of their chosen profession is in order.

[oneshooter]

21. Perhaps they may even choose to change professions. n/t

[east texas lib]

28. You'd certainly think it might cross their minds...

If they wanted to keep living. Slow learners, perhaps.

[katandmoon]

22. Ohhh, somebody is getting off on this!

[Katya Mullethov]

24. Seasons Greetings to you and yours

Yippie Kai Ya etc

[proteus_lives]

33. That's awesome!

Excellent tat from an excellent movie!

[rd_kent]

25. Yeah, you are with your cowardly hit and run posts.

[proteus_lives]

32. Always sex with you.

You're a lame pony.

[aikoaiko]

41. Might be the person who uses exclamation points in her post titles.

:hi:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

42. You are one sick puppy then.

[GreenStormCloud]

48. Why are you against self-defense? N/T

[RealityInSeattle]

49. Gun use cheerleading

A normal person does not have the glorification of weapons and their use to kill people as a core component of their self-identity unless something traumatic and violent happened to them to cause that. Either that, or they live in such a fearful and insecure state of mind from moment to moment, that they constantly imagine a threat is imminent. I am not sure where you live, but if it is at all economically possible, if your life is constantly in that direct of a threat, you really should move.

I hope you can get some mental health counseling for whatever happened to you, so you don't have to live your entire life equating your ability to kill other people, for whatever reason you wish, as being safe.

Your posts are quite disturbing and concerning. Your overt cheering the use of guns to kill people is very alarming.

I hope you get some help.

[TPaine7]

50. I think he is cheering the victory of the defender over the aggressor.

A mentally healthy person who was under threat of death would be happy about being rescued from the threat. If a hostage taker had just shot the two people next to you and was adjusting his sights to kill you, you would be quite rational to "cheer" or "thank" or "applaud" or "cheer lead" or "approve" or "be grateful to" the police sniper who destroyed his brain, saving your life.

It is also mentally healthy to be glad when someone else is saved from a threat you would want to be saved from. Empathy is healthy. I would be happy if a police officer killed an attacker when appropriate to protect a member of my family. Why should I not be happy if he killed an attacker to protect my neighbor? Or someone I don't know? Why should I not be happy if a family member, or neighbor or someone I don't know defended themselves from a deadly threat?

Isn't the real mental health issue the failure to make a moral distinction between the guilty and the innocent, between the attacked and the attacker? Or, alternately, isn't the real mental health issue the failure to empathize with the intended victim of a violent assault and be glad when the innocent person prevails?

[PavePusher]

56. +1 Awesome response! n/t

[GreenStormCloud]

51. Actually, there is another reason that I post self-defense stories.

It is to point out that they actually do happen in real life. People really do use guns to defend themselves.

If my posts are disturbing to you, it is because they challenge your core beliefs that the best self-defense is no defense. Violent crime exists. Denial of that fact doesn't help. Instead I choose to be prepared to deal with it if it comes my way.

[RealityInSeattle]

52. You are trying to convince only yourself, not anyone else

I just feel bad that statistically speaking, either yourself or someone you know are the only people ever likely to be shot by one of your many firearms.

Please, get some post-trauma counseling for whatever event(s) has locked this fear-based interaction you have with the world into your psyche and requires you to broadcast your eagerness to use firearms (which seems to be the only reason you post here) in order to feel safe...before something happens.

I am only trying to give you some constructive feedback so you can get some help - normal people do not fixate on using firearms like you do. Something is wrong. Investigate it and get some help.

[rrneck]

53. Ga!

Stop it, you're killing me.

This is the guns forum. It's where people talk about all things gun. Among the things that relate to guns is the sad fact that people shoot each other with them for any number of reasons.

Armchair psychiatry gift wrapped in affectation and condescension.

I love it. :rofl:

[PavePusher]

57. With projection like that...

You ought to be able to teleport across a continent.

[GreenStormCloud]

58. You can stop with the insulting posts.

And your statistics are badly flawed.

You started out nice on the forum. You actually tried to discuss the issue. But your points were very effectively rebutted, and like the rest of the gun-grabber crowd you have turned to insults.

Try actually discussing the issues. You might learn something.

[Piwi2009]

59. ""either yourself or someone you know ever likely to be shot""

Don't confuse us with the idiots who don't know how to own them responsibly. We know what we're doing. And even some idiots can be educated so they won't be idiots anymore.

I can tell you the incident that happened to us - a guy burst into my old workplace and started shooting. He got off one shot and missed, then was himself shot dead. I didn't spend a whole lotta time weighing statistics, legalisms and pro's and con's, all I knew was that the shooter was stopped by another shooter.

[rd_kent]

60. Outright lie on your part.

either yourself or someone you know are the only people ever likely to be shot by one of your many firearms.

Please show me that where I can find that statistic. I will wait.......

[PavePusher]

55. Perhaps you need to re-examine your preconceptions.

We are not cheering the use of any particular tool.

We are cheering the succesful resistance to a criminal act, with one of the most efficient tools available for doing so.

Please, you seem to be suffering from cranio-rectal inversion syndrome.

[rd_kent]

61. How quickly your argument is refuted and you turn to insults and childish taunts

is very telling. Whose sock puppet are you, anyway?