NBA players pulled guns on each other in the locker room.

[sharesunited]

Easy to obtain. Easy to use. But self-restraint saved them.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/01/01/wizards.guns/index.html?cnn=yes

[rrneck]

1. How did they manage

all that self restraint with those evil guns warping their minds?

:rofl:

[sharesunited]

4. That's called dodging an unfired bullet.

[rrneck]

7. What is the difference

between these guys and somebody who fires the weapon?

Can you explain it or are you going to offer another obtuse koan?

[sharesunited]

8. Don't you think their judgment was clouded by their access to guns?

The difference is luck in a blessed moment of recognition that the outcome would have been mutually unwelcome.

[rrneck]

9. No.

And you are saying they got lucky.

Assailants come to the same realization all the time when confronted with someone able to put up a spirited defense with a firearm.

I know you see where this is going, and you can't run forever.

[sharesunited]

14. What passes for clarity is the perception that one must shoot first, lest a defense be put up.

The society in which we will eventually find ourselves.

Everyone trying to get the drop on each other.

Stop now, and turn back.

[rrneck]

32. What defense do you suggest? nt

[rog]

2. Restraint???

You know, I rarely post, and never in this forum, but ... aside from the RKBA "controversy" ... I have to say, 2 guys draw down on each other in the locker room over a GAMBLING DEBT and this is described as "restraint?"

There's a part of me that wants to say they should just have blasted away and taken each other out of the gene pool.

jesus

.rog.

[sharesunited]

3. I give them credit for not shooting. They got themselves right out on the ledge and didn't jump.

But they shouldn't have had access to guns in the first place.

[AtheistCrusader]

5. Why not?

Aren't basketball players human beings?

Though, I would say they shouldn't have had firearms on their persons. The owner of the property they were inside makes that quite clear. They were trespassing, at the least.

[sharesunited]

10. Their humanity is not a qualification for gun ownership.

If anything, it is their human frailties which counter indicate suitability.

[taurus145]

13. Once again youve proved

that the Constitution means nothing to you unless you agree with it.

You remind me of the old saw about the lady who marked out the parts of her Bible with which she disagreed. Like you, she only accepted the parts she liked.

[sharesunited]

15. A well regulated militia might have served just fine.

What we have now is an obsolete and misinterpreted affliction.

And a nation so enamored of force that no one has the courage to amend.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. No, what we have is shitbags not obeying the law.

I just realized where the Wizards practice stadium is. They had no legal right whatsoever to be in possession of firearms in that location. None. Period, end of story.

They are both hopefully about to become criminals. I certainly hope they are prosecuted.

[sharesunited]

17. Access to the guns and ammo in the first place was the problem.

Less of a risk that shows up in the locker room if it is much more difficult to obtain.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Access is not a problem for some 80 million americans every day.

The statistics are heavily weighted against your claim.

Why blame an inanimate object, when two humans decided, with clear heads, to actively break the law?

[sharesunited]

19. Whomever receives bullets in their body from those Americans on any given day loses that lottery.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Counterpoint: Some of those Americans that receive bullets in their body made poor choices

that force another person to shoot them, to preserve their own lives..

[sharesunited]

23. That's an awful lot of judges, juries and executioners you are appointing there.

Nation of laws or men?

[AtheistCrusader]

24. Self defense is not extra-judicial killing.

No matter how often you might try to link the two.

[sharesunited]

25. Depends on how trigger happy the system has become, and that varies from state to state.

A real equal protection problem, by the way.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. Here I will grant a point.

I don't like the way Castle Doctrine is implemented in Florida. My home state, Washington handles self-defense investigations inside and outside the home much better. All homicides are investigated until they are determined to be either prosecutable, or Justifiable Homicides under state law.

Though, I would argue the 'system' in Florida isn't necessesarily 'trigger happy', and the law was formed democratically. Will of the people and all that.

[sharesunited]

36. The people of Virginia democratically formed the law prohibiting interracial marriage.

It took SCOTUS acting in Loving vs. Virginia to fix that.

[AtheistCrusader]

50. That's true.

However, I doubt Florida's law would be overturned by the Supreme Court. The survivors of a dead home invader could certainly challenge the law that far.

[GreenStormCloud]

31. What do you have against self-defense? N/T

[proteus_lives]

27. Anyone who gets in a car plays a lottery.

Or uses a ATM.

Or smokes a cigarette.

Or drinks a beer.

Or uses electrical equipment.

Or uses heavy machinery.

Or cleans high-rise windows.

Gives births.

Gets an abortion.

Once again, you have no point or argument.

[GreenStormCloud]

20. Lack of Courage? LOL.

We, the voters, want guns to be legal. So we elect enough politician to keep guns legal.

Since you don't like the 2A, try to get the Constitution amended. Remember, any 13 states can block an amendment.

BTW - Your side is responsible for the existance of the recent Bush presidency. Ann Richards, then democratic governor of Texas, vetoed the concealed carry bill. Bush used her veto as a campaign issue and defeated her.

[sharesunited]

22. Texans love guns? Now there's a newsflash. They also love prayer in public school.

[GreenStormCloud]

30. You missed the point.

If Ann Richards had not been anti-gun, she would not have pissed off the voters. Bush would not have had an issue and would not have become governor. Without the governorship, he would not have been able to run for president. Anti-gun people are responsible for giving us the Bush presidency.

[Katya Mullethov]

35. I remember her ,

She is the one that said insurance would cost less if everybody had to have it . That worked out equally well .

[sharesunited]

37. Doing the right thing can be terribly painful sometimes, it's true.

[GreenStormCloud]

43. The voters told her she did the wrong thing with that veto.

That is how democracy works. CHL in Texas has been very successful. There is no movement to repeal it.

[sharesunited]

46. Prayer in public school also very popular.

As the great Newton Minow once said, what interests the public is not necessarily in the public interest.

[GreenStormCloud]

48. Forcing people to pray is unconstitutional. Adults have a constitutional right to guns.

Our shall-issue concealed handgun license system has worked very well. There have been no problems with it.

[Callisto32]

34. What about the force involved in taking chattles from people?

Taking someone's property IS force, so really you just want people to use the force YOU want used.

[taurus145]

42. Self-abosrbsed elitism

and willful misinterpretation of the Constitution cannot alter the fact that the framers of that document favored complete freedom of the people concerning arms.

Wishing it were different won't change that.

[Cronus Protagonist]

28. In practice, that IS how the bible is used

And it's also how the rich treat the other laws on the books as well........

[taurus145]

44. Please don't use an approprate analogy

to hijack the thread.

[MichaelHarris]

6. RTKBAPBG

Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Play Basketball and Gamble

[Ken Burch]

12. Is it a one or two-shot technical if you pop a cap in the ref's ass?

n/t.

[Ken Burch]

11. In this case, happiness was some cold guns.

n/t.

[Taitertots]

29. Ban the Wizards

The Wizards now have a higher gun crime rate than all CPL holders

[rd_kent]

33. Thanks shares, you posted a pro-gun sentiment! Is this a break thourgh?

Did you finally see the light?

Easy to obtain. Easy to use. But self-restraint saved them.

See, its the PEOPLE that make the decisions, NOT the guns. I am so glad you are finally able to see it that way!

[sharesunited]

38. Certainly. But the consequences from bad decisions involving guns are too hazardous to tolerate.

[rd_kent]

39. I agree. Those people are called criminals and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[sharesunited]

40. A gunman kills ten and then himself. Prosecute away.

[rd_kent]

41. In that case, there is no need to.

[sharesunited]

45. I think you're wrong. Justice is served by prior restraint through highly controlled access.

[rd_kent]

47. Thats not justice, thats oppression.

[GreenStormCloud]

49. Unconstitutional. See 2A. N/T