Virginia Gun control opponents hope to reshape handgun laws

[GreenStormCloud]

In addition to attempting to repeal the one-gun-a-month law, several other gun related bills are being proposed.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Gun-control-opponents-hope-to-reshape-handgun-laws-8697689-80433647.html

Del. Mark Cole, R-Fredericksburg, has filed legislation that would legalize bringing guns into a courthouse "when the courthouse is being used for non-judicial activities," according to an online summary.

Del. Bob Marshall, R-Manassas, is proposing that full-time faculty members at state universities be allowed to carry concealed handguns into the classroom, provided they have a permit.

Del. Charles Carrico, R-Galax, authored a bill that would allow permits for concealed handguns to be renewed through the mail. Another of Carrico's bills would change the penalty for bringing a firearm onto school property from a felony to a misdemeanor.

[damntexdem]

1. More idiocy in VA.

Unfortunately, VA isn't the only state.

[eqfan592]

3. Nice drive-by.

Heaven forbid you'd actually, you know, have a RATIONAL argument to make on the subject.

[damntexdem]

10. Guns in courthoses for "non-judicial events," guns on state university campuses.

Only an idiot wouldn't see the problems. Let me make one reference: Virginia Tech.

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[GreenStormCloud]

12. The "No Guns" rule at Virginia Tech certainly was successful in stopping Cho, wasn't it.

That was sarcasm for those who may need to be informed.

[aikoaiko]

13. Thats the best example that works against your position.

lol.

[rd_kent]

15. Only an idiot wouldnt know that VA Tech is a "gun free zone"!

[Euromutt]

21. Why are guns prohibited in courthouses?

Same reason they're prohibited in police stations, county jails and penitentiaries: to prevent them from being used in facilitating the escape of a detainee. But if court's not in session, and there are no detainees in the holding cells awaiting trial or transportation, then that ceases to be a rationale.

Personally, I have no issue checking my handgun, multitool, etc. at the courthouse (Washington state law requires courthouses to provide secure storage for items not allowed into the courthouse) because it's a secure area, with metal detectors and all that; it's not just a "gun free zone" in which the only protection consists of any potential shooter's willingness to obey the signs (and we saw how well that worked at Virginia Tech, and Northern Illinois, and Trolley Square Mall and Westroads Mall...).

[SteveM]

22. Wasn't it legal to carry at VT well before Cho's rampage?

I know the law was changed recently to make it illegal. Perhaps Cho read about that.

[gorfle]

25. And how well did that work out at Virginia Tech?

Clue: 32 people died when someone ignored the laws concerning firearms and not a single person obeying the law had the means to resist him.

[michreject]

2. They need to change the guns in restaurants

where alcohol is served. The 51% rule is a good standard.

[PavePusher]

4. Is the current law for restaurants causing problems? n/t

[Katya Mullethov]

5. If alcohol is so apt to cause violence ,

Why are they still selling it ?

[PavePusher]

6. Hee-hee, touche.

Personally, I blame forks. No-one needs those pointy devils-tools to consume nourishment. Heck, anyone could just twitch and stab themselves in the toungue, or their neighbor in the eye...

[Hard2believe]

7. Like the NRA

and all the other groups that strong lobby presence in Washington, the alcohol groups are just as strong.

I would ask you; is a person with a gun more apt to use it while drinking or when sober?

[PavePusher]

8. Most states, if you are drinking, you are not allowed to be in immediate physical possesion...

of a firearm.

And the very few states where you can legally drink and carry, it does not seem to be a statistically significant problem.


Apparently the overwhelmingly vast majority of gun owners are peaceful and lawabiding, whether intoxicated or sober.


But, to directly address your question: I don't know if a person with a gun is more apt to use it when intoxicated, but I am sure they would be more likely to use it unsafely or illegaly. Just as with any other object. Drunks and cars have a bad safety record. I've cut myself more often when using tools slightly (or more...) buzzed than when stone sober. (Duuuuh, D'oh!)

When I drink, I don't touch a firearm, unless someone is crashing through a window at me. So, no data there...

[taurus145]

9. Responsible gun owners

never mix alcohol and firearms in any way.

Target shooting is a big thing at my house - paper, clays, pins, you name it. The guns go in the safe before the alcohol comes out - even if it's a single beer or glass of wine with a meal. No exceptions. Same rules in public.

[Katya Mullethov]

19. There is no llimit to what a drunk might do

Other than his impaired coordination . Up to and including shoot you ,stick you,or dick you .

One reason I avoid such places like the pox , and it isnt the bar so much as the parking lot on the way out .

[SteveM]

23. Since you asked, I am more apt to use one while sober. (nt)

[benEzra]

24. I wouldn't say it's because of "the alcohol lobby" as much as individuals who value the choice.

The control freaks DID manage to outlaw alcohol for a while, don't forget.

Alcohol kills around 100,000 a year according to the CDC, but we accept that, with some restrictions on alcohol misuse, because the social cost of banning alcohol (loss of freedom/police state environment, rise of organized crime, vastly increased trafficking and violence, pushing the market toward more distilled forms) was higher than the cost of having it legal.

[michreject]

14. Not really

I don't like taking my coat off, exposing my gun when I go into a eating joint. Scares the kiddies and all that. It doesn't bother me.

[PavePusher]

17. I see.

It (O.C.) doesn't scare people here, but it isn't allowed in restaurants/bars that serve (C.C. only). (AZ, for the record.)

[Tim01]

26. That is certainly a backwards law.

Guns are allowed where alcohol is served, but the gun has to be exposed. That just doesn't make any sense. There is nothing positive about showing the drunks your gun. There is nothing positive about leaving your gun in your car in the parking lot.

[virginia mountainman]

16. As I said, right after the election..

The pro gun side, PICKED UP 11 Seats in the Virginia House of Delegates. We now have is a veto-proof margain...With several votes to spare....

Let me let some of you in on a FACT in Virginia Law, I, with my CCW (CHP in Virginia) can carry on collage grounds, school rules ONLY APPLY TO STUDENTS.... Virginia Tech and UVA are state ran institutions, as such, they have very limited ability to control guns on state property.

I really liked this line in the article..

Proponents of stronger gun laws have become much more vocal and focused since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre and are likely to oppose the measures alongside many legislators.

LOL yea, you would get "much more vocal and focused" when your getting your nuts crushed. They can oppose all they want, but the fact remains, their side, NEVER "gets the votes", and legislators know that their first vote for them, has a high chance of being among their last vote..

Gun Rights proponets, DELIVER...Anti-Gun Rights people dither...

Truly, I ramain...

Virginia Mountainman

Dedicated to getting Virginia, F-Rated by the Brady Campaign.

[jefflrrp]

18. Here here VAmountainman.

Fuck the Brady Campaign.

[PavePusher]

20. That's not what he meant...

But I'm sure you knew that.

:rofl: