Right to Carry Bill To Be Heard ,Jan 12, in California Assembly Committee

[GreenStormCloud]

Assembly Bill 357 is scheduled to be heard by the Assembly Committee on Public Safety on Tuesday, January 12.

AB357, sponsored by Assembly Member Steve Knight (R-36), would create a “shall issue” concealed handgun permit system in California. Under current law, an applicant must show cause as to why they should be issued a permit to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense. AB357 would remove that stipulation and require sheriffs to issue the license if all other mandated criteria are satisfied.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab_357_bill_20091214_status.html

[Owl]

1. Stupidity exemplified.

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[GreenStormCloud]

3. 40 states have it. It is working out rather well in those states. N/T

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[PavePusher]

9. Can I see your First and Fourth Amendment permits, please? n/t

[slackmaster]

10. What's wrong with replacing the current subjective system with an objective one?

Are you some kind of police state advocate?

Do you think the police are better qualified than you are to decide what's best for you?

Please defend your statement. Don't just post and run.

[rd_kent]

12. Please do explain when this process works just fine in a majority of states.

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[tularetom]

6. Why should I need a permit to do what the US Constitution says I can do anyway?

I have no need to carry a firearm on my person, but I don't want some "authority" to be able to tell me I can't.

I've had so many arguments with our now retired local sheriff about this topic, I'd be the last person he ever issued a permit to. But I resent a dickhead like him having that kind of power.

So I guess this bill is a step in the right direction even though it'll never pass. A much better solution would be to remove the permit requirement altogether.

[Euromutt]

15. Personally, I don't have an issue with permits for *concealed* carry

The way I figure it, the RKBA means that there has to be a form of carry that doesn't require a permit, but it doesn't have to be concealed. So for example, a government can require a permit to carry concealed, provided it does not restrict open carry.

[PavePusher]

16. What other Rights should an individual need a permit to exercise...

part of the time, or in certain ways?

I can't think of one. Why must the 2nd Amend. be different? How does one justify ignoring the part that states "shall not be infringed"?

P.S. Vermont and Alaska don't seem to have serious problems with this, is the rest of the nation less trustworthy?

P.P.S. See post #9.

[Glassunion]

7. Now if we could only get the National Reciprocity laws passed... Missed by 2 votes...

[SteveM]

8. What are the odds this will pass? I see it failed once in com. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Probably fail. So we will keep coming back, again and again.

The tide is with us.

[spin]

13. Damn right ...

You're fighting the good fight.

It's a long hard road especially in a state like California.

Still, we live in a country that values the average citizen over the elite.

Eventually you will succeed. "Shall issue" concealed carry is a success in all states that passed it. "May issue" is an affront to civil rights and the equality of all citizens.

The roots of gun control are racist and designed to keep "those people" from owning or carrying firearms.

We are not a feudal society where only the rich, the famous and the influential have rights denied to the average serf. "may issue" allows some prominent individual to forbid the average Joe Blow from having a right granted by the Constitution.

The worst example of "may issue" is New York City.

In New York City, a concealed weapons permit is allowed by law, but typically takes a large degree of wealth, political influence, and/or celebrity status to obtain.<59> Examples of current and past New York City permit holders are Charles Schumer, Robert DeNiro, Don Imus, Howard Stern, Ronald Lauder, Edgar Bronfman Sr., Donald Trump, Harvey Keitel, Joan Rivers, Michael Bloomberg, Arthur Sulzberger, Bill Cosby, and Anthony Cumia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States

Michael Bloomberg is anti-gun but wants the privilege to carry concealed for himself and his friends. At the best he is a hypocrite. The fact that he is a Republican merely points out that the Republicans will sell out gun owners faster than the Democrats.

He was listed as the eighth-richest American, with a net worth of US $16 billion, in the Forbes 400 on September 17, 2008, making him the richest resident of New York City, ahead of David H. Koch. He is the founder and 88% owner of Bloomberg L.P., a financial software services company.<1><2>

***snip***

He is considered a social liberal, who is pro-choice, in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage and an advocate for stricter gun control laws. emphasis added
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Social_issues

The eight richest man in America wants to make sure that the average citizen has a difficult time obtaining a license to own or carry a firearm. But he will grant that right to those who are rich and famous.

Smells like racism to me.

[Euromutt]

14. NYC's Sullivan Law was definitely racist in origin

It was originally aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of recent immigrants (mainly from eastern and southern Europe, the "those people" of the day) but these days, its enforcement is classist in nature rather than racist. If you're sufficiently rich, famous, and/or politically connected, you can get a carry permit no matter what color your skin is.

The situation in California varies a bit. Some sheriffs and police chiefs are equal opportunity deniers, issuing at most only to judges and prosecutors (e.g. Marin county); some issue to people with sufficient celebrity, regardless of skin color (e.g. Culver City); some are just plain racist, corrupt, or both. The sheriff of Contra Costa county seems to hand out permits to retired LEOs, and people who contribute to his campaign fund. The previous sheriff of Sacramento county also gave some permits to campaign contributors he shouldn't have, and also had an unwritten policy that the sheriff's dept. would not accept applications from residents of Sacramento city; supposedly, this was in agreement with the Sacramento PD, but it conveniently excluded most of the blacks and Hispanics in the county from applying at the sheriff's department, which meant there was no record of the sheriff's department systematically turning down applications from ethnic minorities (you can't formally reject an application if you refuse to accept it in the first place, right?).

[proteus_lives]

17. I hope it passes!

:thumbsup:

[pipoman]

18. Strange coincidence the bill number, huh?..357

[aikoaiko]

19. LOL. In honor of the coincidence, I post my carry .357.

Taurus 651 in titanium.

[pipoman]

20. I didn't know Taurus had a model so similar to my

S&W 638

[aikoaiko]

21. Taurus often draws its "inspiration" from other successful gun companies.

I think S&W called that hammer design (reduced to almost nothing, but still able to cock it for single action) the Bodyguard.

What kind of finish or metal is that? Its very shiny.

[pipoman]

22. I didn't like the way the

epoxy like finish on this one was wearing, so I buffed the finish off and polished it. I thought it might corrode, but the finish has held up well. Yep, it's a bodyguard, it's an ugly design, IMO, but a nice carry.

[spin]

23. Actually, I think it's a good looking firearm ...

the grips add to its looks. (I like J-frame S&W revolvers.)

I have one that looks a bit like yours.



S&WModel 60 Revolver 5" Barrel 357 Magnum

[pipoman]

24. I like

S&W revolvers in general, the bodyguard is just a little camel like..but, I have carried it and shot extensively and have absolute confidence in it. My favorite shooter was a K frame..M586 w/4" barrel, looked a lot like your M60. I used to carry it open for occasional security work. The grips on my bodyguard are Ahrends cocobolo.

[spin]

25. I have a couple of K-frames ...

they are fine handguns. One is a .38 special only, the other a .357 mag. The .38 special was a used police weapon with a four inch barrel. My daughter sometimes caries it as her concealed carry piece. She's 5' 2" and weighs only 100 pounds, but she can conceal it with ease. By the feel of the trigger pull, I believe the firearm had a trigger job before I bought it as it's fairly light with a silky smooth double action pull. I've put a lot a rounds through it with no malfunctions. I'm not real fond of trigger jobs, but the smooth trigger pull is what she likes most about the firearm.

She also carries a J-frame revolver, a Model 351PD in .22 magnum. (I would like to see her carry a J-frame in a larger caliber, but she can shot a quick tight group with this firearm.)



How do you find the recoil with the Ahrends cocobolo grips? My 5" model 60 squirms a lot in my hand with its small wood grips especially with .357 rounds. I usually install Hogue rubber grips when I take it shooting, and its a lot heavier than your Model 638.

(I may be overly sensitive to the gun moving in my hand, but it does tend to slow my double action shooting somewhat. A target shooter I knew, used to wrap the grips on his handguns with skateboard tape or use chalk on his hands to help hold the firearm better. The skateboard tape sure did make the gun look ugly, but he was a damn good shooter.)

[pipoman]

26. For me

anything over 3" really shoots better with target/square grips rather than round, a Hogue square butt rubber grip helps counter the longer barrel, thats just me. I have shot a lot of short barrel j frames and none are really fun to shoot over .38 caliber for sure, mine snaps pretty good..my wife doesn't like shooting it..she shoots the Kimber pro-eclipse. I would think felt recoil for a small person would be easy with a short barrel k frame (even a n frame).357 shooting a good quality defense round in .38 or +p .38. That m586 is almost without recoil shooting .38 wadcutters (which is my defensive revolver round of choice).

[taurus145]

28. Taurus, S&W, and Beretta were all ownwd by

the same holding company during the '80's and part of the '90's (I think). Lots of designs got shared.

Compare Taurus wheel guns to S&W, particularly the 60, 65, 66 and you'll find almost all parts interchange from that era. Then compare the Beretta 90, 92, etc. to the Taurus models of the same number and you'll find the same. Also the Taurus PT-22 and Beretta's little flikp barrel 22.

Taurus is the only one that warranties for life.

[oneshooter]

27. Why do I show

34 answers on the front page, but only 25 on this page? I do not have anyone on "ignore".

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[Euromutt]

29. Probably the deleted sub-thread (n/t)