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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 03:53 PM
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The controversial, individual right to self defense by use of a firearm...
Some might find interesting… Others may find it infuriating.

I assigned myself some homework in order to better understand something for myself. I see the question being bounced around a lot about self defense. Some argue that it is a right, and others argue that it is not.

Homework was… Do we as citizens have an individual and declared RIGHT to self-defense?

So I read the state constitutions of all of the states to see what I could find. I only read the Bill of Rights (or similar) of each of them to see if individual self-defense is a declared right. I also made note if there are rights of individuals (not groups) to bear arms was in thier respective bill of rights. I wanted to specifically see if these rights are defined to individuals and not “militias” or some other collective.

What I found was that there are 44 states have a constitutional right to bear arms. As you can see below, most of them differ quite significantly in their wording from the 2nd Amendment. Also, nearly all of them secure (at least in part) an INDIVIDUAL right to keep some sort of gun for self defense.

There have been some here that argue that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is some outdated ramblings of law on some crusty old piece of paper. That the US Constitution does not apply in today’s day and age. State constitutions are a little different. They are continually being reviewed and amended. Some have scheduled reviews. So they to me seem to be a more progressive and evolving framework of law, than that crusty old constitution that some despise so much.

As far as self defense and right to bear arms, some of these rights date back to the framing of the constitutions, and others have been enacted quite recently. Go figure? They still express a right to bear arms for self defense even after the old flintlocks were put away and more modern rifles, pistols and revolvers were available. Imagine that?

Below is a list by state and year that the particular right was last amended, and a clip from the respective state’s constitution. Next to each state is a yes/no as to whether self defense and a right to bear arms is a declared individual right.

Happy reading…

Alabama 1819: YES to both… Section 26: “That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.”

Alaska 1994: Yes to both… Section 1.1 “all persons have a natural right to life” (not self defense) Section 1.19 “The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State.” The individual right to bear arms was generally understood as aimed at protecting self-defense.

Arizona 1912: Yes to both… Section 26 “The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired”

Arkansas 1868: Yes to both… Article 2.2 “All men are created equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights; amongst which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; of acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and reputation; and of pursuing their own happiness” Article 2.5 “The citizens of this State shall have the right to keep and bear arms, for their common defense”

California (no date): Yes and No… Article 1.1 “All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.” I could find no right to bear arms or similar. They do however take the time to define marriage as between a man and woman. Sec 7.5 “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid”

Colorado 1876: Yes to both… Section 3 “All persons have certain natural, essential and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; of acquiring, possessing and protecting property; and of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.” And Section 13 “The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question”

Connecticut 1818: Yes to both… Section 15 “Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state”

Delaware 1987: Yes to both… Article 1 Sec 20 “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.”

Florida 1990: Yes to both… Article 1 Section 2 “All natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable rights, among which are the right to enjoy and defend life and liberty” and Section 8 “The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed”

Georgia 1877: No and Yes… Sec1 Paragraph 8 “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” Nothing specific on a self-defense right. It has however held up in court in McCoy v. State.

Hawaii 1959: Nope… You are however allowed to enjoy life, just not defend it. They did Xerox the 2nd from the US BOR in sec 15.

Idaho 1978: Yes to both… Section 1 “among which are enjoying and defending life and liberty” and Section 11 “The people have the right to keep and bear arms, which right shall not be abridged”

Illinois 1970: No and Sort of… Like Hawaii you are free to enjoy life, however you have no declared right to protect it. Section 22 “Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Indiana 1851: Yes to both… Section 32 “The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State”

Iowa (no date): Yes and no… Section 1 “All men and women are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inalienable rights--among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty” I can find no right to bear arms.

Kansas 1859: Yes to both… Section 4 “The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security”

Kentucky 1891: Yes to both… Section 1 “The right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties” and Section 7 “The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State”

Louisiana 1974: No and Yes… Section 11 “The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged” I could find nothing too firm on the right of self defense.

Maine 1987: Yes to both… Section 1 “among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty” and Section 16 “Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.” (One of my favorites…)

Maryland (Orwell’s 1984): Nope… No right to self-defense nor any right to bear arms.

Massachusetts 1780: Nope… It is defined in Part1 Article 17 as a collective right.

Michigan 1963: Yes to both… Article 1.6 “Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state”

Minnesota (No Date): Nope...

Mississippi 1890: Yes to both… Article 1.23 “The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question”

Missouri 1945: Yes to both… Article 1.23 "That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be
questioned"

Montana 1889: Yes to both… Article 2 “The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question”

Nebraska 1988: Yes to both… Article 1 “All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to keep and bear arms for security or defense of self, family, home, and others, and for lawful common defense, hunting, recreational use, and all other lawful purposes, and such rights shall not be denied or infringed by the state or any subdivision thereof” (Another one of my favorites)

Nevada 1982: Yes to both… Article 1.11 “Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes”

New Hampshire 1982: Yes to both… Article 2 “All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state”

New Jersey (no date): Yes and no… Article 1.1 “All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty” No right to arms is defined.

New Mexico 1986: Yes to both… Article 2.6 “No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes”

New York (again Orwell’s 1984): Nope…

North Carolina 1971: No. Self-defense is protected by law, but not the constitution. State v. Kerner. The right to bear arms was a Xerox of the US BOA.

North Dakota 1984 (the real one): Yes to both… Article 1.1 “All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness; and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for lawful hunting, recreational, and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.”

Ohio 1851: Yes to both… Article 1.01 “All men are, by nature, free and independent, and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty” and Article 1.04 “The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security”

Oklahoma 1907: Yes to both… Article 2.26 “The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited”

Oregon 1857: Yes to both… Article 1.27 “The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State”

Pennsylvania 1790: Yes to both… Article 1 Section 1 “All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty” and Section 21 “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned” (My personal favorite)

Rhode Island 1842: No and Yes… Nothing declaring a right to self-defense. Section 22 “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

South Carolina 1895: No and Yes… Nothing declaring a right to self-defense. Section 20 “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”

South Dakota 1889: Yes to both… Article 6.24 “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be denied”

Tennessee 1870: No to both… “That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense" is a collective right. Nothing declaring a right to self defense.

Texas 1876: Yes to both… (oneshooter can breathe easy) Article 1.23 “Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State”

Utah 1984 (again the real one): Yes to both… Article 1.6 “The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed”

Vermont 1777: Of course… Ch1 Art16 “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State”

Virginia 1971: Nope… Like Hawaii, you can enjoy life and liberty, however it is not defined that you can defend it. And Article 1.13 “That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is a collective right.

Washington 1889: Yes to both… Article 1.24 “The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired”

West Virginia 1986: Yes to both… Art3.22 “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, and for lawful hunting and recreational use”

Wisconsin 1998: Yes to both… Article 1.25 “The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose”

Wyoming 1889: Yes to both… Article 1.24 “The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied”

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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:00 PM
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1. Pennsylvania's is my personal favorite, too, since I live here.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 04:00 PM by old mark
Seems that the City of Philadelphia is in violation of the Constitution, as is the PA State Police.
rec
mark
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:04 PM
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3. I did love it when
the PA supreme court spanked the mayor when he tried to enact a couple of gun laws and was doing the old stop and frisk of "random"(black folk) people in the city. Of course the way they treat people trying to obtain their carry permits is reprehensible.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:56 PM
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15. It is probably illegal, too, but the ACLU won't do 2nd amendment cases-
they have favorite laws and ones they don't like so much, I guess.
On the other hand the NRA hasn't done shit about it, either, except to scare people and collect a lot of money....progun people are getting fucked by both sides.

mark
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:03 PM
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17. I'm actually more surprised that the local
gun associations have not stepped in. PAFOA for example.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 08:29 AM
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28. Central PA, born and raised.
Yup, I've always liked both of those parts of the constitution.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 05:07 PM
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36. You are not Will Smith are you?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:04 PM
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:05 PM
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4. The HUMAN right to self defense
is a built in survival instinct that shouldn't have to be specifically stated or approved in any document. It applies to all people worldwide.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:09 PM
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6. The problem is...
There are some here who do not think so. You know the old argument "only the police should have guns" or "you should be able to defend yourself some other way".

You are quite right. I feel it is a Natural Right. It is owed to you by simply being born.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:09 PM
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7. SCOTUS says "in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), '[t]his is not a
right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed".
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:33 PM
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8. problem is that Cruikshank
predates many of the other selective incorporation cases that incorporated the other Amendments from the BOR.

It's too easy for the current Supremes to ignore precedent from just after the Civil War.

Logically, it does seem somewhat perplexing how the virtually the entirety of the BOR apply to the states as well as the feds, but the 2nd doesn't.

True, the question is, are the rights in the 2nd granted to individuals, and the answer, mostly, so far has been no. And that could be the truth, but in reality, most of the rest of the BOR have been interpreted as being granted to the individual and the 2nd would be somewhat sticking out like a sore thumb.

I'd guess there is some sort of limited right of an individual to bear arms, but think/hope that this Court agrees with the limited part and allows reasonable gun control legislation to stand.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:38 PM
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9. The quote I gave is from D.C. v. Heller decided June 26, 2008
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:46 PM
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11. yes but the Court is deciding the application of the 2nd amendment
to DC, aka Federal Distict of Columbia.

It said nothing about the application of the second amendment to individuals vis-a-vis States.

In fact, Cruikshank said it didnt apply to the States.

This is a new issue that I think will ignore Cruikshank and in fact overturn that case as to that application (or lack thereof) of the 2nd Amendment to the action of State's in regulating the right to bear arms.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:52 PM
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12. How can SCOTUS ignore Cruikshank but retain Heller if the statement that RKBA is a preexisting right
is to be preserved as stated in Heller?
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:38 PM
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20. because they are pulling bits and pieces
they may have pulled that language from Cruikshank that discussed it as a right, but they most certainly did not decide in Heller or rule on the language from Cruikshank that declined to apply the 2nd to the states through the 14th.

Remember, Cruikshank also, now wrongfully, decided or held that the 1st amendment also wasn't applied to the states through the 14th amendment.

A case can be cited as correct or precedent for one issue, and overruled on another issue. Happens all of the time.

Furthremore, something could be a right that the Feds can't be infringe on, but not necessarily be a right that the State's can't infringe on, such as the right to a grand jury, which still hasn't been incorporated.

I also suspect that the military would be exempted from any 2nd amendment pre-existing rights (the gun laws/regulations on military posts are often some of the most restrictive in the country, believe it or not).
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:49 PM
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22. We'll have to wait a few more weeks until SCOTUS rules on the McDonald case. n/t
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 08:32 AM
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29. But, but BUT...Stare Decisis.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:13 PM
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23. Of course it is. The founders view was that rights exists. The Bof R simply protects those rights.
People in China have the right of free speech and free press. The govt on China infringes upon those rights.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 03:27 AM
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33. you don't need a gun for that.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 08:15 AM
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34. It's not a question of need.
It is, in the most simplest of terms, a choice.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 09:57 AM
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35. They're certainly the most effective means currently in existence
Edited on Sun Mar-07-10 10:05 AM by Euromutt
Guns aren't known as "the great equalizer" for nothing; they allow a person with inferior physique and comparatively little training to inflict incapacitating trauma on an individual who is physically fit and highly skilled at hand-to-hand combat. Firearms made it possible for a peasant or city dweller with little martial training (because they had to work for a living) to face off against a professional parasitic thug like a knight or samurai, and put a big hole in his expensive armor and blast him off his expensive horse before he could use his expensive sword (all paid for with taxes levied on the people who worked for a living). Similarly, there's a reason cops continue to carry guns, despite being festooned with body armor, batons, pepper spray and tasers. Hell, we've seen a movement over the past five to ten years in which American police forces have adopted semi-auto-only AR-pattern rifles (i.e. so-called "assault weapons," except because they're cops, they call them "patrol rifles"; oddly the gun control lobby has no problem with law enforcement agencies adopting weapons that are supposedly useful only for mowing down large numbers of innocent people) as the standard heavier weapon carried in patrol cars, and relegated the pump-action shotgun to the "less lethal" role. And really, that's not because American cops have to face more firepower than cops in other countries; practically since the end of WWII, European police patrol cars have had a sub-machine gun in the trunk in the event extra firepower was needed (and in the case of the Belgian gendarmerie, it wasn't even in the trunk).

Counter-intuitive as it may sound, I possess and carry firearms because I'm basically a peaceful guy. I'm not interested in investing large amounts of time and sweat into becoming sufficiently proficient at martial arts to achieve some realistic degree of being able to defend myself or my loves ones with personal force, a blade, and/or a bludgeon. I have better things to do with my time than spend it learning how to hurt people; I'm not interested in being a knight or samurai. I'd rather use technology to make up for my deficiency in people-hurting skills.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 08:46 AM
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40. You know your summary
of world history is spot on. I have come to suspect, however, is not that the gun control hacks are unaware of the role gunpowder played in the destruction of feudal society but that they yearn for its return.

No where is it more in evidence than in the multitudes of vociferous proponents for more gun control. Richard Daley, with his CPD security detail. Bloomberg and his goon squads. Rosie O and her gun-toting in schools bodyguard.

and the pattern goes way back. Senator Thomas Dodd, (father of Chris Dodd) dropped a loaded Colt's Pocket Model on the floor of the United States Senate in 1966. The sweet irony since he had long been the Senate's leading voice for a complete handgun ban and later authored the Gun Control Act of 1986. Just another in the string of examples of where the "rules are for thee not me" who see themselves as worthy, while the peons should be content with what they allowed.
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Mike K Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 06:50 PM
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38. On the matter of need -
- it is far better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:06 PM
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5. Interesting summary. You might like to browse the DU post below.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:56 PM
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14. Great post!
Perfect reply as well...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:40 PM
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10. My position as a civil libertarian (not a member of the LP) is that all rights exist by default
Individuals have the right to do, own, and say anything that hasn't been proscribed by due process.

Absence of enumeration or mention of a right in any foundation document does not mean the right does not exist.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:02 PM
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16. California is heading that way
The template for a California law is something like this:

X is prohibited except under the following circumstances:
<list of conditions>

Anyone convicted of X shall be punished as follows:
<list of punishments and enhancements>
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:11 PM
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18. But it does make for some snappy flowcharts...
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 05:13 PM by Glassunion
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
http://calnra.com/cgi-bin/flowchart.cgi (this one is interactive, see if you can make it to the end with one of your own firearms.) I lost twice so far.
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf


Of course here in PA our 2 flow charts are much simpler...

ARE YOU A CONVICTED FELON PROHIBITED FROM OWNING A FIREARM?
NO ------------------> You can buy a gun.
YES -----------------> You can't buy a gun.

ARE YOU A CONVICTED FELON PROHIBITED FROM HAVING A LICENSE TO CARRY?
NO ------------------> You can have a license.
YES -----------------> You can't have a license.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 09:10 PM
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32. Damn, California's flowchart reminds me of this...
Edited on Sat Mar-06-10 09:15 PM by spin
flowchart we used to use while troubleshooting ...

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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:33 PM
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25. What's wrong with that? nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:22 PM
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26. It's completely contradictory to our basic system of laws
Everything is permitted by default. The only things that are prohibited have been prohibited by due process.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 08:34 AM
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30. I'll take it one further.
You have a right to do anything that does not infringe on others by harming them or their property.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 06:46 PM
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31. Quite so
Alexander Hamilton, for example, actually opposed the inclusion of a Bil of Rights, arguing that enumerating certain rights might be taken to imply that those left non-enumerated were not protected rights. Which was pretty prescient of him, if you ask me, given the number of times you hear arguments along the lines of "show me where it says in the Constitution..." To that end, the Ninth Amendment was included:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

It's amazing how few people ever seem to read that bit, and think about what it means.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:31 PM
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19.  Oneshooter has never had a problem with breathing
"Texas 1876: Yes to both… (oneshooter can breathe easy) Article 1.23 “Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State”


If you would look at the Republic of Texas Constituion of 1836 you would have found:

Fourteenth. Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms in defence of himself and the Republic. The military shall at all times and in all cases be subordinate to the civil power.

And also a Militia clause:

Fifteenth. The sure and certain defence of a free people is a well-regulated militia; and it shall be the duty of the Legislature to enact such laws as may be necessary to the organizing of the militia of this Republic

And in the State of Texas Constituion of 1845:

SEC. 13. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defence of himself of the State.

So no, Oneshooter has been very sure of his rights.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:40 PM
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21. I never doubted your respratory situation.
May God bless the great country of Texas!
:patriot:
I've always enjoyed my time there, and my right to remain armed while visiting.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:38 PM
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24. Good for my own state.
Indiana! Go Hoosiers!
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 12:29 AM
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27. Ditto for my
state. YEAH NEVADA. I like our state flag, BATTLE BORN
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 06:24 PM
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37. Virginia may not have it expressed...but..
who's kidding who.

we once YEARS ago had a home invasion problem in our valley.The sheriff just told everyone if you caught the invader just make sure he was in the house when shot to simplify his paperwork.

It's fully understood in SW Virginia that you CAN shoot if you feel threatened by a burgler in home and you likely will never see the inside of a courthouse
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:55 AM
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39. I have had a hard time finding anything... But...
In a 2006 opinion, your Att. General gave the opinion that it was an individual right. It was an opinion contrary to the former AG's opinion that it was a collective right.

I took a quick look and could find no case law setting any precedence where the constitution of the state was challenged either for or against self defense nor ont the individual right to bear arms. I'm sure however there is case law that sets self defense as an affirmative defense in the use of firearms to protect life. But iPhones are not great for searching case law.
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