Rasmussen Poll: 69% Say Cities Don’t Have Right To Ban Handguns

[Pullo]

The Supreme Court is wrestling with a major case questioning whether Chicago’s handgun ban violates the Second Amendment, but 69% of Americans say city governments do not have the right to prevent citizens from owning such guns.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 25% of adults think city governments do have that right.

These findings are unchanged from June 2008 just before the Supreme Court overturned a Washington, D.C. law banning handguns in that city. That decision also prompted an increase in the high court’s favorability ratings. Sizable majorities of Americans across virtually all demographic lines, including age, income, gender, race and political affiliation, share the belief that cities do not have the right to ban handgun ownership.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/69_say_cities_don_t_have_right_to_ban_handguns">Link

I'm sure this will come as quite a shock to everyone here. :sarcasm:

[Ter]

1. Which means 31% need to read the Constitution

N/T.

[TPaine7]

2. What do the American people, the Supreme Court, or the vast majority of state

Attorneys General know?

Why should anyone care what they think, or what the founders said that has never been repealed?

GW Bush is right, along with those who oppose gun rights--only a "godamned piece of paper" stands in our way.

We should ignore the Constitution no less than we should ignore the will of the people.

Up with fascism!

[RC]

3. So, how many here belong to a Militia?

You have to get past the meaning of the first part to get to the second part.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[TPaine7]

4. Yawn...

I'm sure this has been explained to you many times before, or that you have had many chances to read very good explanations on this site. So I'll be short and to the point:

Read Heller.

[Glassunion]

6. Some more light reading for you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=299683&mesg_id=299683

North Dakota 1984: Yes to both… Article 1.1 “All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness; and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for lawful hunting, recreational, and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.”

it's that whole pesky "all individuals" part I think you were looking for.

[slackmaster]

7. Most of us, probably including you

MILITARY AND VETERANS CODE
SECTION 120-130

120. The militia of the State shall consist of the National Guard,
State Military Reserve and the Naval Militia--which constitute the
active militia--and the unorganized militia.

121. The unorganized militia consists of all persons liable to
service in the militia, but not members of the National Guard, the
State Military Reserve, or the Naval Militia.

122. The militia of the State consists of all able-bodied male
citizens and all other able-bodied males who have declared their
intention to become citizens of the United States, who are between
the ages of eighteen and forty-five, and who are residents of the
State, and of such other persons as may upon their own application be
enlisted or commissioned therein pursuant to the provisions of this
division, subject, however, to such exemptions as now exist or may be
hereafter created by the laws of the United States or of this State.

123. Whenever the Governor deems it necessary, he or she may order
an enrollment to be made by officers designated by the Governor, of
all persons liable to service in the militia. The enrollment shall
include any information that the Governor may require. Three copies
thereof shall be made: one copy shall be filed in the office of the
clerk of the county in which the enrollment is made, and two copies
in the office of the Adjutant General.

124. Enrollment shall be made upon such notice and in such manner
as the Governor may direct. Every person required by such notice to
enroll who fails or refuses so to do is guilty of a misdemeanor.

125. The following persons shall be exempt from military service:
(a) Persons exempt from military service by the laws of the United
States.
(b) Regular or duly ordained ministers of religion.
(c) Students preparing for the ministry in recognized theological
or divinity schools.
(d) Pilots and mariners actually employed in sea service by a
citizen of the United States.
The above persons shall not be exempt from enrollment but shall
file verified claims for exemption from military service in such
forms and manner as the Governor may direct.


126. The Governor shall appoint boards in number and personnel as
will best accomplish the enrollment and such boards shall be vested
with the authority and power of passing upon and determining the
claims of exemption filed under section 125. An appeal to the
Governor may be taken from the decision of the boards by the State or
any person interested in the matter and within the time prescribed
in regulations promulgated by the Governor.

127. When the National Guard and Naval Militia are on duty as a
combined force at any time, the commanding officer of the whole force
shall be designated by the Governor. When two or more officers are
on duty in the same place, camp, field, command or organization, the
Governor may assign the command to any one of such officers without
regard to seniority of rank or branch of service.

128. The unorganized militia may be called for active duty in case
of war, rebellion, insurrection, invasion, tumult, riot, breach of
the peace, public calamity or catastrophe, or other emergency, or
imminent danger thereof, or may be called forth for service under the
Constitution and laws of the United States. Whenever it is necessary
to call out any portion of the unorganized militia, the Governor may
call for and accept as many volunteers as are required for such
service, under regulations provided by this division.

129. Every member of the militia who is ordered out, or who
volunteers or is drafted under the provisions of this division and
who does not appear at the time and place designated by the Governor,
or under his authority, within twenty-four hours from such time, and
who does not produce a sworn certificate of physical disability from
a physician in good standing, is a deserter and shall be dealt with
as prescribed in the Articles of War of the United States, or by this
division.

130. (a) Members of the militia of the state shall not be
discriminated against in enlistments, promotions, or commissions on
any basis listed in subdivision (a) of Section 12940 of the
Government Code, as those bases are defined in Sections 12926 and
12926.1 of the Government Code, except as otherwise provided in
Section 12940 of the Government Code.
(b) It is hereby declared to be the policy of the State of
California that there be equality of treatment and opportunity for
all members of the militia of the state without regard to any basis
listed in subdivision (a) of Section 12940 of the Government Code, as
those bases are defined in Sections 12926 and 12926.1 of the
Government Code. This policy shall be put into effect in the militia
by rules and regulations to be issued by the Governor with due regard
to the powers of the federal government that are, or may be,
exercised over all the militia of the state with regard to positions
requiring federal recognition.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=mvc&group=00001-01000&file=120-130

[proteus_lives]

8. Are antis still trying make that fail fly?

:rofl:

[TPaine7]

9. Ok, I can't help myself...

A Colonel finds out that women are being harrased at his base camp; there has even been a rape.

He addresses everyone under his command:

It has come to my attention that some of the soldiers and marines under my command think that the women on my base are here for their personal, sexual amusement. Some of the ladies have been harrased and groped, and one was even raped.

We are in a war, and unit cohesion is of the utmost importance. I will not compomise the security of the United States of America so that you can get your rocks off. I know war is stressful, but your hands can relieve stress. If that doesn't cut it for any of you boys, come see me. I'll give you a task that will make you forget all about what's between that soldiers legs. But trust me, you don't want me finding that you sexually harrased some hot young thing. I won't only ruin your career, I'll ruin your life.

Any questions?

Or, in terms like the Constitution's:

Unit cohesion being essential to wartime military effectiveness, the right of troops to be free from rape and sexual harassment shall not be infringed.

What type of soldier would conclude that rape and sexual harrassment are ok as soon as peace is declared? Or that it's ok for civilians?

The fact that there is a RIGHT to be free from rape and sexual harassment is sufficient in itself. Warfighting is simply A reason to emphasize and enforce that right. There is another, more fundamental reason; enforcing rights is the colonel's (and the government's) responsibility.

[bbinacan]

10. Good grief

:eyes:

[Statistical]

11. FAIL.

[SteveM]

13. Ya give him copies of the Constitution, but he only eats 'em. nt

[Callisto32]

14. Tried, and failed.

"Because logic and math dictate, 2+2=4." Removing the first part doesn't make the second any less true or necessary.

[Taitertots]

20. Both parts go together fine

A)A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
B)the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Since A) we have B).
Not B) dependant on A).
Where does it say that "The right of the people to keep and bear arms" requires being in a militia? It says the exact oppose, that it can't be infringed.

[slackmaster]

5. Cities don't have any rights whatsoever

They have powers and responsibilities. People have rights and responsibilities.

[Statistical]

12. +1. Powes can never override rights.

The Constitution states that States reserve powers NOT PROHIBITED (or delegated to federal govt).

The 2nd amendment makes a gun ban a PROHIBITED POWER.

[Callisto32]

15. No but violence can suppress them.

That is what is happening. The state uses its power to enact violence upon people to suppress their rights. It is not only wrong it is damn wrong.

[safeinOhio]

16. Sorry , just had to ask

does that include zipguns?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

17. I don't know of many people who are legally allowed to possess firearms that want a zipgun!

[slackmaster]

18. The legal definition of a zipgun in my state is one on which the federal excise tax was required,

But not paid. That does not include homebuilt firearms made for personal use.

[PavePusher]

19. Actually, it states that the "powers" are reserved to the States...

"or to the People."

And I would certainly be inclined to favor the People over the State in most cases.