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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 01:17 PM Original message |
Gun Control lobby losing credibility ... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Losing??? more like hemorrhaging. (n/t) |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yea, ain't it wonderful? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Correlation is not causation. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. No. You can be be a kind, decent and an upstanding citizen |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Anybody who knows anything about uban dynamics knows that |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. What is it about population density... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. More liklihood of human interaction coupled with a greater sense of anomynity. (n/t) |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. I'm not sure I agree with that. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. It's a matter of 'public anonymity'. In heavily urbanized areas |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. That does seem like an awfully backwards way of going about things N/T |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. A comparison BETWEEN cities is valid, however - and DC still fails |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. HA! Three times the population, over fifteen times the murders! N/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Wrong. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. WRONG |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Deleted message |
cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Meanwhile back |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. So why does densely populated New York City have a far lower murder rate? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You tell me. NY's Sullivan Act should make NY a wide open |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Richmond is *in* Virginia. Ohio and Indiana have fairly lax gun laws |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-29-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
58. Nonsense |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-29-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Let's look at four poor, densely populated cities close to DC then. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. A question ... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. No I don't. Nor do I believe that issuing guns to every mother's son |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Where in any of this did anyone suggest issuing guns to anyone? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The same place where I said the problem is with CC permits. nt |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Oh so the "problem" of D.C. having an astronomical murder rate is CC permit holders |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Try again when you learn how to read. nt |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I can read just fine, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Where, WHERE did I EVER say ANYTHING like what you claim to |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Obviously we need to create good jobs in our nation ... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. You reminded me of a saying I learned long ago |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Reminds me of an old saying ... |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Way to completely miss the point. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Too bad we can't Rec individual posts... N/T |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. No, I have NEVER said that the primary factor is gun proliferation. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. 100,000? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. And one in ten adults with a carry permit |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I said nothing about carry permits - only about the number of guns |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. OK, and if the person doesn't have a carry permit |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. In some states such as Florida ... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. "Self evident" is such a misunderstood term |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. A little, but not a 20:1 difference |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Correlation is a necessary condition for causation, however |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-29-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
62. I tried to find some numbers that would put it into perspective. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
9. If one right wing loon shoots a member of Congress ... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The realist in me says people with *that* much hatred will not turn in their guns, |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 02:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
52. I don't have that much hate in me... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-28-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Not referring to you, PP- but I do agree with your point. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. Wait, they have credibility left to lose? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. You beat me to it |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
31. Up is down, black is white- |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Right. So many concealed carry permit holders commit mass murders |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. We'll listen when *you* accept responsibility for bad stuff that happens in Australia. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. You talking about avoiding responsibility? |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. Yeah |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #31 |
51. (Looks at watch) Nope, wrong. Again. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. New Britain Police Release Identies in Triple Shooting |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. The old AU-US double standard still works for you, eh? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-27-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I beg your pardon... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-28-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. One of out four, with a very charitable interpretation |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-29-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Poor, poor hyper-rational Euromutt........ |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-30-10 04:23 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I know, I'm deluding myself |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-29-10 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
60. Iowa's passage of concealed carry provides yet more evidence |
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