Do you sleep with a gun under your pillow?

[apples and oranges]

The whole point of a gun in the home is to be able to defend yourself and your family against intruders. So where do you keep it for easy access?

[ZeitgeistObserver]

1. No,just my hand.

Like most people in the world.

:crazy:

[piedmont]

2. Nope. nt

[cowman]

3. Nope

in a touchpad safe next to my bed and a 12 ga. winchester in the corner

[sandnsea]

5. At least you're serious about defense

Can a kid shoot that 12 guage?

[cowman]

8. Probably

but our daughter is grown and married and is a Las Vegas Metro Police Officer, we do have our granddaughter over on weekends but when she is here, the guns go into a gun safe that only my wife and myself know the combo to

[sandnsea]

10. If everybody were that conscientious

There wouldn't be a gun debate.

[cowman]

12. before I go to bed

I figured I would respond. I thank you for having a reasonable debate on gun control, we may not agree but having a reasoned debate makes me have alot more respect for you.

You have a wonderful night and I look forward to having more conversations with you

[TheWraith]

29. Of course there would.

Accident gun injuries have absolutely nothing to do with the hard-core opposition to personal ownership of firearms. If they did, it would be reflected that accidents involving a gun are at an all time low in this country, despite the number of guns owned being at an all time high.

According to the public information group the National Safety Council, you're twice as likely to get accidentally killed by "forces of nature," meaning storms, floods, and lightning, than you are to be accidentally killed by a gunshot. And you're twenty times as likely to die in a fall as you are to die from an accidental gunshot wound. For that matter, you're more likely to die in a fall than you are to be shot dead with a gun, intentionally or not.

[sandnsea]

33. See all the nightstand responses

*sigh* The need for gun regulation is due to the easy access to firearms. Easy access contributes to gun suicide, gun accidents, kids getting shot, and guns being stolen and ending up in inner cities and used by criminals.

Lock the damn things up.

[jazzhound]

36. Before you sigh you should find out if kids have access to these nightstand

guns that are just ITCHING to cause mayhem.

[jazzhound]

37. Before you sigh you should find out if kids have access to these nightstand

guns that are just ITCHING to cause mayhem.

And a locked-up firearm at 3 in the morning when I wake up (disoriented) from the sound of breaking glass? That's a GREAT idea!

[cliffordu]

42. And the same thing goes for your fucking CAR, too.

[sandnsea]

43. Cars are being used as murder weapons?

I'm sorry I missed that.

However if kids in my town started stealing cars to kill themselves or other kids, why yes, I would make sure to lock it up.

[cliffordu]

44. Drunk driving is murder. And that argument is just as valid as the one you are

trying and failing to make.

250 million guns and 45000 murders a year?

Not even statistically relevant.

[sandnsea]

50. And there are laws directed at that

Including laws that require drunk drivers to install alcohol monitors in their cars before they can get their license back.

[cliffordu]

52. I ran that false equivalence for a reason. Thanks for not getting it.

Murder is a crime. The fact that guns are used is irrelevant. Sorry you think that eliminating guns will stop the murders, but it won't.

Murder is the way we roll. It is our cultural norm. It is who we are. We love nothing more than a good killing.

You get to think you are outside this reality as long as you can point your little finger at guns and say "evil".

But you ain't.

[sandnsea]

53. Murder is the way we roll??

No. I ain't gettin' that.

[cliffordu]

54. It's the major theme in almost all our ennertainment from

Willie the Shake to CSI Miami. We love a good killing.


Just because you think you're morally superior and safe enough to not need to keep a firearm around doesn't mean anything to anyone. Get used to it.


(I love ya, sandnsea, but it is US as a people, not the guns that are the problem. Truly. The Canadians have almost as many guns as we do, yet gun crime is almost non-existent. Why???)

It's us.

[sandnsea]

56. Yes. We have a wild west gun culture

Going back to a gun free for all is not the answer. Guns as a solution to everything is not the answer.

Lock the damn guns up and quit glorifying them.

[Pavulon]

58. suicide and drug laws are the leading factors

suicide is 50% of all deaths, and hopefully more people having access to mental health care will decrease this. Drug violence is pretty self explanatory.

Dont see much of that in wealthy gated communities.

[TheWraith]

61. You need to better inform yourself.

For starters, the "wild west" you imagine never existed. It was a fiction created by Hollywood. Nor does what you're imagining now, since the predictions of "blood running in the streets" and shootouts over every fender bender still haven't come true.

Second, our problem has nothing to do with guns. If it did, Switzerland would have a problem with the roughly 660,000 machine guns that are stored in people's closets. They don't. You know why? The primary driving factor of murder and violent crime in this country is gangs, being fed and financed by the drug trade. If we eliminated the black market caused by drug prohibition in this country, you would see the murder rate do much the same thing it did after we got rid of prohibition of alcohol: murder dropped by two thirds pretty much overnight.

[sandnsea]

62. As I told you yesterday, there was a wild west

You cannot just keep repeating that and think that will make it a fact. Some of us actually live in the west and know our own history. Some of us have even done years of study, as I also already told you.

We have a shoot-em-up gun culture. Switzerland has a non-military, neutral, rather non-violent culture.

That's the whole point. Stop with all the self-defense shoot the criminals in the streets bullshit, preach responsible gun ownership, and change the culture.

[Pavulon]

63. Suicide and thug culture. The NRA demographic is

not driving crime in america. Brought to you by drug war money.

[sandnsea]

66. Perpetuating the continued need for guns

to "protect yourself" from the thugs which only gives more kids access to guns to commit suicide or kill each other in gang wars.

Most people who own guns will never see a "thug" or have any reason to use their gun. But its very existence means it is more likely to be stolen and end up in the hands of those who will use the gun; or used by their own family member to commit suicide.

Lock The Damn Things Up.

[Pavulon]

70. Its the law here. Secure your weapons from kids, and

I secure any weapon in a safe that is not in my direct control. They use cheap trash, they are not out there with a $4500 wilson combat supergrade.

They will continue to exist. The key is reforming drug law, and access to mental health care.

[sandnsea]

71. and locking the guns up n/t

[Pavulon]

73. Expound on that.. Like common sense locking up in my safe

or locked up at the police station or at some range where I have to go pay to use it?

[sandnsea]

79. Yes common sense in your safe

But look at the number of people in this thread who don't think that's such common sense.

Lock your guns up. Stop with this stop the crime with your six-gun nonsense. Tighten up the means to buy guns, and ammo. Lead by example, the way they actually do it in rural America, or at least in the rural west where I have lived.

[Pavulon]

81. Its already tight. How strict do you want it?

you have to show ID to buy ammo, and a federal check is done on purchases of all firearms purchased from dealers. I live in rural america.

[sandnsea]

82. When everyone in this thread

has their gun locked up in a safe and thinks that's normal, and starts to help to teach sensible gun ethics to everyone else, then we can be done.

[Pavulon]

84. Locked when not being carried or under their control, right?

that seems reasonable.

[sandnsea]

87. Right

When they're hunting, target shooting, in a truly dangerous situation. Otherwise, lock it up and quit spouting the gun grabber talking points.

[krispos42]

89. Safes aren't particulary secure against theft.

Unless you have thousands of dollars to spend. Most "safes" are really just secure against casual attempts at access, such as by kids or a curious relative. A reasonably determined application of a screwdriver by an adult can can pop open many of them, such as the small pistol safes.

A serious safe is much tougher, of course, requiring specialized tools to open. But specialized tools aren't that hard to find, such as an electromagnetically-attached drill press. We have one at work, somes in a plastic carrying case. Slap it on the side of the safe, turn on the electromagnet so it sticks, and start boring. Or a plasma cutter, or a oxy-aceteline cutting torch.

I stack my long guns in a corner of my bedroom. One has the manufacturer's padlock/bracket locking system on it, and it looks pretty secure. The rest have critical parts (bolts or trigger assemblies) locked up in a little gun safe. Safe from accidents, but not from theft.


It's the best I can do.

[Euromutt]

106. True; most "gun safes" are actually rated "Residential Security Containers" by UL

And an RSC rating means that in testing, the "safe" withstood one man using common hand tools for at least five minutes. If you've got two guys, or one guy with power tools, all bets are off. Still, that extra five minutes is probably enough to deter the "casual" burglar, and having the moderate measure of fire protection the RSC gives can never be a bad thing either.

Actual safes come with UL ratings like TL-15 and TL-30, which means they are capable of standing up to power tools for 15 and 30 minutes, respectively. But by that point, we're talking at least $3,000, and probably significantly more. You're quite likely to spend more on the safe than on the contents.

[armueller2001]

72. Hmm..

"Most people who own guns will never see a "thug" or have any reason to use their gun. But its very existence means it is more likely to be stolen and end up in the hands of those who will use the gun; or used by their own family member to commit suicide."

Can you provide a link to a study that shows any of this? Or is it your personal opinion?

[TheWraith]

100. There's a study, but it's been debunked.

There's no evidence that owning a gun makes you more likely to kill yourself than someone who doesn't own a gun--all they proved is that if someone owns a gun and wants to kill themselves, they're most likely to use the gun. Not exactly a shocker.

[PavePusher]

65. When you say "wild west gun culture"...

What exactly do you meean?

I see this phrase carelessly slung about by anti-gun people, but they never explain it. TIA.

[Abq_Sarah]

80. The "Wild West"

Is a Hollywood myth. The shootout at the OK corral, for instance, took all of 30 seconds and three people were killed. Of course the real story of why it occurred isn't nearly as glamorous as the tabloid version.

[PavePusher]

86. Oh I know.

I'm trying to get the previous poster (who continually claims otherwise) to support her/his claim.

Not going to happen, of course...

[GreenStormCloud]

111. One movie version even has the Earps using dynamite. N/T

[jazzhound]

69. This post brings to mind a funny quote I heard about murders in the South.

A Southerner was asked why there were so many more murders in the South than other parts of the country. His reponse: (paraphrasing) "Well............I guess it's because we've just got a whole lot more people that need killing."

:rofl:

[TheWraith]

59. That's nonsense, plain and simple.

The suicide rate in the US is a lot lower than other countries where guns are scarce or nearly nonexistant. There has never been any evidence to suggest that people who commit suicide with guns would magically be leading happy and fulfilling lives if they didn't own a gun--as opposed to, say, using pills, or running their car into a tree, or jumping off a bridge.

And I just explained: gun accidents are at an all time low in this country, just as the number of guns is at an all time high. There is zero correlation between the number of guns and the number of gun accidents.

Guns are not magically more dangerous when they're kept in a nightstand as opposed to a safe.

[SteveM]

32. The first shotgun I shot was a .12 H&R Bay Stater. No problem. nt

[rrneck]

4. I use this:

[cliffordu]

6. K-Bar next to the bed.

And a perfect knowlege of where every creaky floorboard throughout the house is.

My wife collects bric a brac with the same zealotry with which she ignores the physics of walking through a room easily.

Anybody coming in is going to announce their presence by knocking over any one of a dozen delicate bargain basement treasures. Loudly.

And then they have to deal with me:

The sight of which, naked and lumbering down the hall, has been known to make women faint and grown men weep. For all the wrong reasons.

[PavePusher]

ROFL!!!! n/t

[Warpy]

11. I have greeted would be intruders with a short handled sledge hammer

and none of them has stuck around long enough to find out what I was going to do with it.

Do something off the wall enough, and they decide to go elsewhere. None of them wants to deal with an unpredictable person.

Especially this one:

[cliffordu]

17. Ah, yes. My wedding night photo....

[PavePusher]

67. O.k., pass the brain-bleach... LOL!

[jazzhound]

39. Thanks, cliffordu --- I needed that!!! :-) n/t

[Ready4Change]

107. Great quote there

"And then they have to deal with me: The sight of which, naked and lumbering down the hall, has been known to make women faint and grown men weep. For all the wrong reasons."

Love it.

[aikoaiko]

7. push button, quick access gun lock box on nightstand with an XDM9

2 seconds and I'm armed.

No guns under pillows for me.

[Euromutt]

16. Similar story here

Except the quick access lock box is attached to the side of the bed, and the weapon is a S&W M&P40, with night sights (Trijicon), laser grips (Crimson Trace), weaponlight (Insight M3) and an extended magazine (Arredondo). On top of the nightstand is my cell phone, which is at least as important.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. yes and I keep my itchy finger on the trigger, too

duh.

[azurnoir]

13. no just a katana next to the bed and a long staff with a chain attached

and oh a large dog at the foot of the bed

[ManiacJoe]

18. Given that my knowledge of those weapons

comes mostly from Hollywood, they would suggest you have abnormally large rooms with high ceilings.

[azurnoir]

23. Nope the dog is the first line of defense

and early warning system

[hlthe2b]

40. Exactly...

In most cases the dog would give you sufficient warning to grab the gun--something not easy to do from a sound sleep, no matter where the gun (or phone to call 911) is located.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

14. Glock on night stand... in the drawer or on top. Rifle/shotgun in the closet.

[jazzhound]

22. Same here, but different pistol N/T

[Chulanowa]

15. Nope!

I go have a button there that activates the trapdoor that goes to the weasel chamber, though. I think most people would prefer the gun to that.

[dashrif]

19. In

the night stand I keep a single action sw40 with 180gr hydra shok, I don't like a lumpy pillow.

[Ozymanithrax]

20. Don't own a gun, so, no. n/t

[DesertFlower]

21. in my night stand next to my bed.

if someone gets past my security system i will use it.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. Nightstands. Wife has hers on her side of bed, I have mine on my side. N/T

[apples and oranges]

64. Isn't that a little excessive?

Why are two guns needed? And what happens if one of you has a nightmare?

[cowman]

74. it has nothing to do with need

it has every thing to do with rights

[jazzhound]

75. "And what happens if one of you has a nightmare?"

What are you suggesting? That a nightmare would result in husband or wife grabbing their gun and starting to shoot at something/someone?

[GreenStormCloud]

91. There are two guns because there are two people. That should be obvious.

Nightmares? No sweat as we are asleep. To get a gun and shoot it one must be awake. Neither of us has PTSD.

[SteveM]

95. "I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -- Bob Dylan

[Callisto32]

96. I would guess that that person wakes up...

and says "wow, what a weird/scary/odd dream I just had."

I have never woken up from a nightmare and went for my gun.

I have woken up to the sound of breaking glass (turns out it was a drunk at the VFW next door kicking a bag full of beer bottles at the garbage pickup as he stumbled home, thank God) and gone for my gun. Every little thing doesn't make you reach for a weapon.

[shadowrider]

25. No, it's on the nightstand right next to me.

[X_Digger]

26. No, 1911 in my nightstand

A couple of years ago, there was a rash of home invasions in our otherwise sleepy little neighborhood. A family just two blocks diagonally from us was held at gunpoint and beaten with a sawed off baseball bat while their house was ransacked.

[Katya Mullethov]

35. We had that problem too

30 odd burglaries in three weeks . Council chambers overflowing . Head law dog says they arent bothering to take fingerprints because it would take 6 months to get results back from the FBI and was openly mocked for sayin' it . They finally ripped off the wrong fellow and his chollo buddies tracked 'em down and proceeded to beat them nearly to death . The crime wave came to an abrupt halt and without gunplay I might add !

I lulled again .

[slackmaster]

27. No, and you are very seriously confused about gun ownership

Under your pillow is not a safe place to store a weapon.

The whole point of a gun in the home is to be able to defend yourself and your family against intruders.

You people seem to have a lot of misunderstandings about gun ownership. Is it just ignorance? Lack of imagination? Please try to explain what your problem is.

[proteus_lives]

28. Under the pillow? No. In the room, yes.

You know the difference between pro and antis? We'll answer despite the insulting why you asked the question.

[Xenotime]

30. Why not just an alarm or call the cops?

:shrug: Maybe even keep 911 on speed dial or have a dog with a loud bark. There are many other alternatives than storing weapons where you sleep.

[Katya Mullethov]

31. For some of us , once you get in the first gate

It takes several more minutes to get to the house .

[SteveM]

38. Believe me, I would call the cops if attacked/broken into...

if only to tell them what just transpired. Frankly, I would yell at any intruders not to enter or risk being shot. As some intruders are HyperPunks (who desire violent confrontation), I should expect the possibility an intruder will NOT be deterred. If I can get to the phone (after acquiring my revolver) and place a 9-1-1 call, you bet I would call. Please note: the same type of violent HyperPunks (a minority of B&E-types) who wouldn't be deterred by my warning, would most likely not be deterred by a dog, no matter the beast's noble loyalty. A loud dog is good to have, though.

Having "weapons where you sleep" seems common-sense. What objections do you have? (I do not have children living with me, and when not home, the weapons are locked up.)

[benEzra]

51. It's not either-or.

Why not all of the above?

I have smoke alarms and a local fire department, but I have fire extinguishers, too.

[oneshooter]

60. I keep a 1-911 on speed dial. n/t

[PavePusher]

68. What does one do in the 5 minutes to 2 hours it will take for the police to arrive?

During that time I am on my own, and rarely in a mood to trust the good intentions of criminals.

You, of course, may chose differently, but you may not make my choices for me.

[krispos42]

90. Why not all 3?

Let's face it, if the guy isn't running after the alarm goes off and the dog is barking, he's damn serious about something. It will probably end badly for the intruder... arrest when the cops get there, for example. Or if he commits a major crime and the detectives get serious, track him down, and arrest him. But will it end badly for the resident? Depends on several factors, including how able the resident is able to defend himself.


Look, if the worst-case blatant home-invasion situation happens, regardless of alarms or dogs, you grab a gun, herd your family into a room, barricade yourself inside of it, then call the cops. Let the guys with the training, guns, and flak vests deal with the situation. If the intruder comes breaking through your bedroom door, well, then's the time to shoot to kill. There's no way to avoid it anymore, the intruder is determined to do violence.

[GreenStormCloud]

92. A dog comes with its own set of problems, and 911 is too slow.

Deal 911 and five minutes (A good response time) the police arrive to draw my chalk outline. No thanks.

Dog? Wife has allergies. And a dog is expensive and time consuming. You have food bills, vet bills, and the dog needs to be nurtured. He needs exercise, and has to be walked so it can poop. It is a living being with needs that must be met. A couple of years ago we had two dogs that were strays that adopted us. They were nice dogs, but for us ownership of them was a disaster. Criminals can easily get by dogs, just squirt ammonia in its face, or pepper spray.

[PavePusher]

103. No answers?

Or are you simply afraid to respond to questions?

Methinks thou art Troll.

[apples and oranges]

104. After posting this, I had an unfortunate experience

My security alarm went off around 1am and I was frozen with fear as I realized I was totally and utterly unprepared. My alarm isn't actually connected to 911 and I fumbled around in the dark looking for my phone for about 2 minutes. I locked my bedroom door and hid in my closet as I talked to the 911 operator. All I could do was brace myself for the sound of someone kicking my bedroom door open.

The police showed up within 7 or 8 minutes, which was good. It turned out to be a false alarm due to my battery running low. But it was a serious wake up call. I'm thinking about getting a taser gun now.

[cowman]

105. A taser is a legitimate

alternative to a firearm, however someone doped up on say, PCP, Meth, or some other drug, it may not stop them, same as a gun. I remember back in the 80's we got called out to a police shooting of a suspect. When we arrived the perp was already dead but the cops told me and my partner that they had shot the guy 23 times including 2 head shots with their 9mm pistols before he finally went down. An autopsy revealed later that the guy was all hopped up on PCP. So just think about that.

[SteveM]

34. Pillow? Heavens, not the Gunsmoke school of posturpedic...

You may as well stash a boot under your pillow, for what your comfort would be like. I keep a fairly large framed service revolver in (.357) in an open lock-box beside the bed. Quick to access, quick to lock up and hide away.

My other arms are locked in a safe, and the ammo is kept under separate lock.

[oneshooter]

41. When I get ready for bed my SIG220 goes on top of the night stand

My Loving Wife places her Colt Commander on her side table. The safe is opened and my AR with a 20rd mag of 50gr JHP and Loving Wifes HP 995 w/ federal HP ammo come out for the night. Early warning is two 70lb dogs that don't like intruders.


We sleep well at night.



Our 11yr old son is a competition shooter(22 benchrest) and I trust him more with a firearm than I would trust you.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[spin]

45. Sleeping with a gun under your pillow is a BAD idea ...

there have been cases when a person with a gun under their pillow woke up from a nightmare and shot their significant other who was returning from the bathroom.

I also remember reading about one incident where an individual woke up in a dark room and felt he seen someone moving in the room. He reached under his pillow, found his gun, took careful aim...and shot his toe off.

I store my handgun in a gun vault with a push button electric lock inside a drawer of a table beside my bed. I want to be damn sure that I'm awake before I start handling a firearm.

[onehandle]

46. I sleep on a bed of C-4.

Let me sleep or else.

[cowman]

47. ROFL

Now that's hilarious

[east texas lib]

49. Yeah, but do you have the optional finely woven det-cord comforter?

Adds that special touch.}(

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

93. I hear that Egyptian 2000 detcord-count fabric is just to die for.

[east texas lib]

102. I know I would!

;-)

[AtheistCrusader]

76. Corbomite Manouver?

Very nice...

[east texas lib]

48. No, I keep mine on top of the pillow.

The thumb safety fits in my ear juuust right.

[S_B_Jackson]

55. Under the Pillow?!?

No, but in the magazine rack on the side of the nightstand facing the bed. On the wife's side of the bed, is a shotgun mounted to the underside of the bed frame by a couple of rare-earth magnets.

[AtheistCrusader]

78. Have you explored whether or not that might jam up the firing pin?

Depends of course on how you mounted the magnets, but if you magnetize the entire metal weapon, that could become a issue at some unfortunate point in time.

Even some types of stainless can be magnetized.

[benEzra]

57. Accessible, yes; under the pillow, no.

And they are locked up in the safe when appropriate.

[AtheistCrusader]

77. Exactly where is not really anyone's business

But certainly not under the pillow where I could fumble around with it in my sleep.

All firearms are secured, after all, I have a small child. But if some person broke in a window or kicked in a door anywhere in the house, I assure you, I'd be awake, armed, and waiting for them before they gained entry to the bedrooms.


You know, I've seen windage and elevation calculators made out of iPod touch's, attached to firearms... I wonder if there would be a good way to attach a cell phone to a cheek rest on the shotgun, so I could stay on the line with 911, and keep the shotgun on target at the same time?

[rrneck]

88. Carve up

a standard cell phone holder to expose the keypad and a handfull of velcro should do it. Or even duct tape.

[DissedByBush]

83. Finger button combo safe next to bed

I have kids, so there's no way it's going on a nightstand.

It takes about three seconds to open the safe, good compromise.

[tburnsten]

85. Don't you? N/T

[derby378]

94. Under my pillow? Not a chance

There's a 12-gauge shotgun within reach of my bed, but I've never loaded it (family heirloom) and hope I'm never forced into using it.

[jeepnstein]

97. One time...

I had to sleep with my duty weapon strapped on. It was uncomfortable. I was also on a couch in the central part of the house shielded from the road. My German Shepherd got really spoiled because we were inseparable when I wasn't at work. At the time there was a family in my area who decided it was going to be worth a fair amount of their money to see me dead. I couldn't go anywhere unarmed. For some reason they chose to blame me for their son going to prison. As if somehow I was responsible for their son stomping that guy's head in. Everything blew over after about two months when leveler heads prevailed.

These days the gun is kept in the safe place where the family is to gather in the event of a disturbance. Layers of security will buy you time but that's about all.

[oneshooter]

98. Sounds to me like

You were just a responsible type of person. What changed you?:evilgrin:

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[jeepnstein]

99. I'm the one who dragged him out from under...

his girlfriend's bed, while he was holding a hunting rifle, and took him to jail. Blame the messenger.

[cowman]

101. My hat is off

to you and all Police Officers for the dangerous job you do
Thank You

[spin]

109. + 1000 (n/t)

[j420norcal]

108. .40 pistol under the bed

in a case, with a loaded 10 round mag. I've been thinking about replacing that with either a 12 gauge shotgun or an M1 Carbine as my "nighty-night" gun. The rest are rifles in my closet across the room and I intend on putting those in a gun safe as soon as I can afford one that isn't too expensive or weigh a ton as I live in a condo on the second floor. A fire protective safe would be a plus.
I live alone in a decent neighborhood, so I'm not really worried too much about theft or my kid blowing his/her head off.

[Endangered Specie]

110. I keep mine loaded in a locked quick access pistol safe thats cable tied to the bed

its good enough to keep all but a determined burglar out, and I can get it open in 2 seconds.

[timo]

112. 2 guns here

springfield xdm .40 on the night stand by night in my truck by day, winchester defender 12 behind night stand by night in the safe by day!! I live 6 miles off the Mexican border and home invasions are the norm around these parts, I have 4 kids and they are all taught that until your old enough and trained you dont touch the guns!!!

[old mark]

113. I have a shotgun propped up next to my bed, and a 1911 (45 pistol)

within reach.


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