Gun Ban Activists Picket Denver Starbucks

[onehandle]

DENVER -- Colorado gun-control activists are protesting Starbucks' policy not to ban customers carrying weapons.

Colorado Ceasefire says Starbucks Corp. should change its policy of letting customers carry guns where it's legal. The coffee chain has said it does want to be put in the middle of a gun-control debate.

After a picket Sunday at a Denver Starbucks store, two Colorado state senators want to promote gun-control bills pending in the state Legislature.

Democratic Sens. Joe Rice of Littleton and Betty Boyd of Lakewood said their bill would enhance screening of potential gun owners.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/23187977/detail.html

I could not find a photo of the picketing, but this gunbagger may or may not have been in the Starbucks.

[hlthe2b]

1. Would you want to sit next to that doofus...

praying he didn't drop his gun, accidentally shooting someone. He may not be planning to go postal on anyone, but he certainly doesn't look like he manifests the common sense "God" gave a mule.

Starbucks is between a rock and a hard place and I recognize the second amendment rights that so many are fearful of losing. But, I just don't want to go back to the wild west and vigilante justice. Hell, even in the days of the wild west, town sheriffs began to restrict guns being brought in.

Yes, I know, I know... Half the world might have a concealed gun. Might. Funny, that I don't find sitting in a sunny window, drinking a leisurely cup of coffee with a friend particularly compatible with the equivalent of an NRA convention descending-- with guns everywhere you look.

[SteveM]

5. This may be a photo-shopped fear, and to some it works...

I cannot related to what you think he "doesn't look like," esp. since the object of your photographic animus was not in that store; but as in the Rodney King case, pictures can be deceiving.

I agree that Starbucks is "between a rock and a hard place," so they are doing only what they have always done: follow the law. I doubt it has hurt their business, and I see no evidence of a wild-wild west or "vigilante justice;" if you have any, please provide. BTW, some of those "town sheriffs" (such as in Tombstone, AR) allowed you could wear a gun or hold it in your hand, but NOT carry concealed. Ironic, ain't it?

If CA had a fair concealed-carry law, then I think the open-carry issue would not become so prominent. Or, gun-control groups can choose to continue picking at scabs.

You've never sat beside someone wearing a gun? If she wore dress-for-success attire and heels, quietly (and inevitably) murmured into a cell-phone and neatly crossed her legs from the bar stool, revealing a Lady Smith, and smiled in your general direction, would she "look like" someone you would sit beside? You may replace my "photo-shopped" girl with the "photo-shopped" guy of your choosing.

[hlthe2b]

8. This story is from Denver, not California...

and no, it wouldn't matter (and might be worse) if she were a professional female (ignoring your "come hither" rhetoric) on a cell phone, flirting as she sat there, with her gun largely unattended in her purse or bag.

I guess, I think guns are serious business and require just a bit of seriousness in minding them.

[SteveM]

46. California is where the "action" is, Denver is a skirmish...

That is why I mentioned Cali. If they had decent "bear arms" legislation, you would see little action elsewhere on open-carry. I may be wrong, but being the largest state with some of the worst laws, open-carry may disprove the notion of "all politics being local."

Actually, she only revealed the Lady Smith in its holstered condition and smiled reassuringly. And definitely (in my mind) looks better than the photo-shopped guy. Why waste the money on cameras and editing when you can use your own mind?

I treat guns seriously which is why I don't get all panicked when someone shows up in a public accommodation wearing one. And that has happened to me a number of times.

[PavePusher]

12. His gun is in a retention holster.

He's not going to "drop it". Modern pistols don't go off from falling on the floor.

Are you now the arbiter of "common sense"? I must have misseed the memo. What is the definition of "common sense"? What specifically is he doing that is against "common sense"?

As has been posted in this forum many times, don't get your vision of history from movies and fictional novels. The "wild" west wasn't that "wild". Self defense is not "vigilante justice". And confiscating legal private property is always Unconstitutional.

Can you fit any more inaccuracies into so short a post?

[hlthe2b]

15. I am the arbiter of my opinion... just as you have yours...

Polite discussion is welcome. Your rudeness, on the other hand, is not. Have a good evening.

[PavePusher]

17. Pointing out much-repeated inaccuracies is now "rudeness"?

Can you refute any of my points?

[hlthe2b]

18. Talking points I've seen a million times.

I am not against gun ownership, yet you seem to want to make me so. It is always that false dichotomy and it gets damned tiring.

[PavePusher]

21. I never claimed you were against ownership.

Another inaccuracy.

But you are quite obviously against gun bearing. The other half of the Civil Right.

[hlthe2b]

22. This is why few will come down to the gungeon to post...

So many here, have already made up their mind what the "non-regulars" believe. Your preconceived notions and assumptions that you throw out continually make it a waste of time.

[PavePusher]

25. And you have failed to address any of my points.

Good day to you.

[eqfan592]

53. You are the arbiter of idiocy is more like it. (nt)

[paulsby]

38. your belief in myths is typical

what "wild west?"

you mean the hollywood myth of the wild west that you have bought into?

or the claims that it would be like the "wild west" if CCW laws were passed in any # of states and in fact the laws were passed, and in NONE of those states did those predictions come true

facts. deal with them

[Callisto32]

42. The only way he is dropping that gun is if he drops his pants...

If that happens, you've got a whole other reason to leave.

[AtheistCrusader]

57. I think he'd have a hard time dropping his pants too

[HALO141]

52. Modern handguns from respectable manufacturers

are designed to be "drop safe." IOW, they will not discharge if dropped.

[xchrom]

2. Right on. Nt

[oneshooter]

3. Why should Starbucks, or any other privately owned company

submit to a group of protesters. They should be allowed to conduct their business,in a legal manner, how ever they want to. If you don't want to be there with a legally carried firearm, then go somewhere else. Make a statement with your feet and your wallet.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[The_Commonist]

4. I got a lot of shit around here the other day...

...for saying that I don't want to live in a society where everybody is walking around with guns strapped to their hips.

"But what about my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!??!"

Keep 'em home, Bucko!

[cowman]

6. Constitutional right to what?

not wanting to be around people lawfully exercising a constitutional right. Last time I looked, it was the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Wants.

[The_Commonist]

7. I was expecting that from you!

Right on cue...

[Pavulon]

9. Yeah take the word motherfucker.

while it offends some I am able to use it with constitutional protection. You dont like profanity, fine. You dont have the right to ban it.

Any of carlis's seven words are legal, for now.

[The_Commonist]

28. But Starbucks can ask you to leave...

...if you flaunt that motherfucker in everyone else's face.
Or I can just not patronize Starbucks if it's taken over by motherfuckers.

[Pavulon]

30. DO they have legal ccw there? If so, I have zero reason to OC

I like motherfuckers, they keep things interesting. And those fuckers are not the cocksuckers out murdering you for their next 20 rock...

Pardon my first amendment post.

$5500 generally a guy OC something like this is not there to jack your shit.

[Callisto32]

43. And Starbucks can ask you to leave if you are carrying a gun.

They have chosen not to.

You can choose not to patronize Starbucks if they allow gun owners.

I really fail to see the problem with this.

[eqfan592]

54. That rationality only works when it's something these drooling mouths support.

(nt)

[AtheistCrusader]

58. On your hip is not 'in your face'.

I'm guessing you've never had something 'in your face' before, because the similarities are nil.

[cowman]

16. You still haven't

responded, Where does it say the Bill of Your Wants? And if my carrying a gun offends you, too bad because your wants have no bearing on my rights

[PavePusher]

10. Then stop posting on the Internet. Keep that at home. Bucko. n/t

[Glassunion]

19. You have no rights to live free from your own fears.

I hate to come across as gruff, but your fears are your own problem.

If a Klan member wanted to spout his hate and bullshit at me, it may make me afraid, but he has every right to do so. On top of that I would defend his right to do so. He has every right to hate me, and speak his mind about it. Of course if he knew what was under my shirt, he would be the one shitting his pants.

In all honesty he can do more damage with his voice than I probably ever will with my firearms.

He is free to speak his mind, no matter how unpopular. I am free to arm myself, not matter how scary you may find that. You have not rights under the law to be free from your own fears.

The best way to overcome those fears, I would suggest you spend time learning about firearms. Usually a little bit of knowledge can alleviate a lot of fear.

[X_Digger]

32. "Keep 'em home, Bucko!" -- how would that work for other rights, eh?

Right to marry whomever you choose, but not in a courthouse, heavens no! Kids might see men kissing each other! *gasp*

And let's not even get into interracial dating. I feel an attack of the vapors coming on! I don't care if you can "associate" with whomever you choose, just don't do it in _my_ movie theater!

:sarcasm:

[The_Commonist]

45. I was referring to keeping the guns home, Bucko!

Sorry... that wasn't written clearly.

[oneshooter]

33. Would you please explain to me "my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!??!"

As they are listed in that document?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[GreenStormCloud]

37. That isn't one of your rights. N/T

[proteus_lives]

40. "I don't want to live in a society where....."

Can vote.

Worship as they please.

Speak their minds.

"Keep 'em home, Bucko!"

Yeah, we know what kind of world you would like to live in.

[SteveM]

47. I don't want to live in a society where murders and crime occur, but I do...

We pass laws against murder and crime and do our best to uphold those laws.

Not wanting to live in a society where "everybody is walking around with guns" (but not committing crimes) is not sufficient cause to pass a law, especially if it is unconstitutional. Frankly, relatively few "people will walk around with guns strapped to their hips," so why worry?

The Constitution exists to defend the rights of people, not assuage the fears and distastes of some citizens.

[TheWraith]

48. Some don't want to live in a society where "homos" can go around kissing and being gay in public.

"Not being offended by something you might see in public" isn't a constitutional right.

[Euromutt]

50. You didn't get shit for saying it...

...you got shit for refusing to engage in reasoned discussion on the topic.

You are entitled to your opinion; we are entitled to not give a flying fuck, especially if you're not willing to argue its merits. Clear?

[Travis Coates]

11. The funny thing is

They're protesting in a county where OC is illegal anyway. Haven't seen any protesters in E;l paso county

[msongs]

13. 2nd amendment only applies to government - private property owners can do what they want nt

[Euromutt]

35. "Private property owners can do what they want"

Except when "what they want" displeases the gun control lobby, obviously.

[eqfan592]

55. Bing - fucking - o. (nt)

[cowman]

14. Gee

I wonder how many showed up, 4, 5?

[slackmaster]

20. Wow, jack-assery on parade

What a bunch of whiny losers. Nobody is forcing them to patronize Starbuck's.

They can always to to Tweek's.

[onehandle]

23. Yeah. Like those war protesters.

They should go back to Russia.

[PavePusher]

26. Naw, they just shouldn't use their scary Rights in public.

:sarcasm:

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. What?!?! That poor p***k is still waiting for someone to serve him?

:rofl:

Jeez, he's been waiting for weeks now.

[onehandle]

27. "Never give up, never surrender!"

[X_Digger]

29. Another press photo..

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

31. Disingenuous photo in OP (photoshopped).

Of course, this behavior is not surprising considering the OP... :eyes:

[friendly_iconoclast]

41. Shopped photos, altered headlines- all in a day's work! nt

[Callisto32]

44. The light coming from two different angles SHOULD be a big tip off to shares.

Or s/he just doesn't care if it's real or not.

[pipoman]

34. How about posting the source of the photo?

Did you really just post a real news story and also a photo which you made up in photoshop to sensationalize your news story?

What a great illustration of the overall honesty of your side on this issue. Time after time these types of egregious characterizations occur on those who are fighting freedom tooth and nail.

[spin]

36. The original photo was of a man outisde a healthcare meeting ...

William Kostric the man with a loaded firearm and a placard that says “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots” at the Town Hall meeting of President Obama held at Portsmouth, New Hampshire regarding health policies and issues, the phrase refers to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson.

William Kostric said he came to the meeting to be heard, he wanted people to remember the rights they have and how quickly they are losing their right in this country, he said there is a list of rights, it does not take a genius to see that we are traveling down the road and break neck speed that tours towards tyranny away from liberty and has much to do with excessive taxation, no one is being true to the people of this country.


http://www.makli.com/william-kostric-005425/

On August 11, 2009, William Kostric, a New Hampshire resident, Free State Project participant, and former member of We The People<1>'s Arizona Chapter,<27> was seen carrying a loaded handgun openly in a holster while participating in a protest at a town hall meeting hosted by President Barack Obama at Portsmouth High School in New Hampshire. Kostric never attempted to enter the school, but rather stood some distance away on the private property of a nearby church, where he had permission to be. He held up a sign that read, "It's Time to Water the Tree of Liberty!".<28>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry

[proteus_lives]

39. Ban fail-pics.

Too bad you never have any actual arguments.

[Euromutt]

49. Unrec for using that photoshopped pic AGAIN

It was a vaguely funny the first time. It stopped being funny after that. Now it's well into plain irritating territory.

[HALO141]

51. So... Not only did you misquote the article,

completely reversing the meaning of the Starbucks statement but you included a falsified image to drive your point home. Way to go.

[eqfan592]

56. How righteous can your cause really be, onehandle....

...when you must revert to crummy tricks like these to support it?

Indeed, you and your ilk are on the losing end of a battle, and you are getting oh-so desperate and increasingly irrational, and I'm getting less and less willing to tolerate your kind of bull shit. You're seriously just as bad as hardcore-fundy christians, only your worse because you also claim to be an "enlightened" progressive.