Chicago police set another gun buy-back program

[onehandle]

Chicago police are once again looking to get guns off the streets by offering up to $100 for weapons that are turned in.

The department's Gun Turn-In will be held at 22 locations around the city on May 8.

Police will give a prepaid credit card for each weapon that's turned in. They're giving $100 for each assault weapon, $75 for guns and $10 for BB guns, air guns and replica guns.

Officials say police won't ask any questions about the guns or the people who are turning them in. Police say all guns that are turned in will be destroyed.*

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/chicago-police-set-another-gun-buy-back-program.html

As they should be.*

[bluestateguy]

1. These programs don't work

Sometimes people take the money and go out and buy a bigger gun.

[Chulanowa]

4. How exactly are they going to accomplish this?

"They're giving $100 for each assault weapon, $75 for guns and $10 for BB guns, air guns and replica guns."

Unless you know some sort of magic trick, I'm not sure how the $75 you'll get for a pistol will turn into the several hundred you'd need for even a black market bigger pistol.

[Euromutt]

27. Think of it as a $75 discount

Say you've got some "Ring of Fire" .25 or .32 POS that nobody in his right mind would pay to take off your hands, and if there's any chance you've used it to do something illegal, you'd have to pay the buyer. But if you hand it in to a "buy back," it's $75, no questions asked, which you can put toward a black market Glock. It could amount to a 10% discount, as opposed to a liability that you would otherwise have to chuck in the nearest major waterway.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. You're not going to get much of an assault weapon for $100. nt

[tburnsten]

9. You mean the police aren't going to be getting much of an assault weapon for $100

any illegally imported full autos in Chicago are not getting turned in, they are being hung onto for gang warfare.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. No, but what they would be getting would be the old AR-15 that Dad

had stashed in the attic that was found by his daughter after the funeral.

There are a lot of unwanted weapons out there handed down to family members, ex-spouses, etc. who don't want the things to wind up on the streets, don't know (or don't care about) the monetary value of them who just want them out of the house. And you do hear about people showing up with tommy guns from the 30s or M-16s that were smuggled home from Vietnam, occasionally. Mostly, it's cheap handguns bought during one of the periodic panics that have been sitting unused in closets for 25 years.

I think it's a shame that they will ALL be destroyed, because you never know when you're going to see a genuine collectible turned in.

[tburnsten]

14. That's the real tragedy of these things

The whole 'no questions asked' destruction of firearms, most of which would have gotten the owner much more money than the police offer for it, and which could have made a superb addition to some perfectly harmless individual who would appreciate and use it properly.

Reminds me of the asshat who was caught robbing a pawnshop or liquor store with a double shotgun he had cut down himself, real hackjob.


The shotgun? It was a Purdey & Sons, estimated value before butchery over $120,000.


Someone sat on a waiting list to have that shotgun custom built to his every dimension, like a superbly tailored suit. For yeaars. Last I knew their waiting list was either five or seven years.

And this jackass went to town on it with a hacksaw, ruined it. That should have been a capital crime.

[oneshooter]

20. Or the fellow in Canada who robbed a bank

with a 45 automatic. Got $500 or so. Was caught shortly afterward and the gun was destroyed. It was one of only 500 built by the Singer Sewing Machine Co. in 1940. Value was 15-20 thousand dollers! It was melted.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

22. I will be there to stop them and offer her twice as much as Chicago.

Fret not!
I will offer people more compensation and make sure the guns are kept safe.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

31. I knew some Cook County cops who did just that at buy-backs.

They would camp outside the venue and clip the good ones for themselves so they could ... wait for it ... sell them at a profit. At least one of the coppers I knew to have a gun dealer's license.

Of course, if you or I did that, we would be arrested (I'm assuming you aren't a cop).

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

32. It is not illegal to offer to buy a firearm from somebody.

We would have to agree on a purchase price and then take the firearm to an FFL in Chicago.
There, the firearm could be mailed to an Ohio FFL who would transfer it to me.
Basically, it would be a private sale and transfer through FFL like any typical sale.

If I had a FOID card, the firearm could be transferred to me right then directly at the local FFL in Illinois.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. Wait. Are you saying I WOULDN'T be arrested if I set up shop outside a gun buy-back?

Perhaps in some bizarre scenario where I would be able to telepathically transmit my desire to inspect all potential turn-in fire arms and purchase the good ones PRIOR TO entry to the venue and before the police laid their hands on them ... then, yes ... it is hypothetically legal for me to make an offer to purchase.

Let's deal in reality - two guys standing outside the front door of a gymnasium, in full view of the police (their co-workers) conducting the buy-back, purchasing unlicensed, unregistered, and in the case of Chicago, illegal to POSSES handguns.

At the very least, you would be told to leave under threat of arrest. If you laid hands on the handguns you would be subject to arrest as would anyone who decided to fore-go the buy-back and leave the premises with their handgun.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

35. Or you could be smarter about it. Buy nice rifles for cheap.

You don't have to buy handguns (which are illegal in Chicago).
Run an ad (right next to the buyback ads) offering twice as much for handguns and meet with sellers OUTSIDE Chicago city limits.

I'm sure they could ask you to leave.
But unless you were handling other people's illegal handguns you'd not get arrested.

[tburnsten]

36. It isn't all handguns

And you wouldn't taking possession of them at that point, you would just be inspecting them, making an offer, counteroffers if needed, and then going with the person to an FFL to have it either shipped to another FFL in your state who will transfer it just like any part of his or her own inventory, NICS check/4473 and all, or if you are an Illinois resident with an FOID card, you can take possession of it at the shop where you buy it from the individual.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. You have this all figured out - ON PAPER.

Now go down to the south side of Chicago and stand outside the gymnasium or wherever they are conducting the buyback, in full view of the police, and head off guns meant for a police buyback and let me know how it works out for you.

When they tell you to move along, refuse and tell them all about the "NICS check/4473"

When they are placing you in the back of the squad car tell them about the "NICS check/4473"

If they can't arrest your for "obstructing an investigation" or some other non-sense, they will arrest you for disorderly - and then not show up to court. That falls under the doctrine of "you can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride"

[tburnsten]

38. I'm in no position to go to Chicago right now

So it's all academic for me anyway, but yeah, I do have it figured out on paper.

If I were to do this, I would also have sheafs of papers, all covered with the applicable Illinois state laws and Federal laws reagarding the sale and transfer of firearms, and also the relevant statutes on loitering, what it is, and whether or not conducting lawful business (such as buying used private property) means you are not loitering.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. LOL. The Chicago Police love to read sheafs of paper.

Maybe they'll sit with you in a near by Starbuck's so you can both peruse your evidence and you both can debate the merits of your argument.


Sorry for the sarcasm. I've lived in Chicago too long and know too many Chicago cops.

[tburnsten]

41. I know they have a rash of corruption and laziness

But if they are shown exactly why what I am doing is perfectly legal, and I have every right to be there, the city of Chicago will lose a lawsuit for false imprisonment.

They can arrest anyone they want, the cops themselves will never pay for it, but the taxpayers sure will.

Again, I have no desire to go to Chicago now or ever, but if someone were to be so inclined, there is nothing illegal about this and if they are arrested they will probably get a big payout from the city of Chicago.

[dm60462]

42. RE: These programs don't work

"...take the money and ... buy a bigger gun."

Exactly what I'm planning to do. $$$ Ca-ching!

[sharesunited]

2. Probably the last time they will be able to do this.

Tidal wave of guns coming.

[tburnsten]

10. I love the imagery

Lake Michigan plummeting into Chicagoland and depositing guns EVERYWARE!!!!

[sharesunited]

12. Why not just imagine bloody corpses? That's the end result.

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[Pavulon]

18. Dude, it is already a shithole I would flee. You live in south chi

in the ghetto. It is literally in the dictionary under ghetto. You really think guns are responsible for that?

naah.

[SteveM]

33. You've seen "The Shining" once too often. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

3. Time for some enterprising FFL to start advertising in Chicagoland:

"I'll pay market prices for the good stuff". Let the Chicago PD have the junk...

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

6. If I had a spare $1000, I'd head out to chicago and get a couple $150 guns.

Buy the good stuff for myself and let the cops get the junk.

[shadowrider]

7. All they're gonna get is cheap junk

The good stuff will stay put.

[virginia mountainman]

8. I sent word to some of our Illinois friends..

Who stockpile "junk guns" for just such an occassion...

They keep them in 5 gallon buckets, till the gun buybacks start, than turn a bunch of old non-functional parts guns in, take the money, than go purchase a new AR15 or something..

It's a real handy way to let King Daley buy you a new semi auto rifle!!

[dm60462]

40. RE: I sent word to some of our Illinois friends..

WIth ya on that one. Sending the word out to fellow IL State
Rifle Assoc members now. Santa Claus is coming early this
year! I've got my heart set on the Remington 870 Express with
ghost ring sites - or maybe put some $$ toward a lefty AR-15
for my teenager. 

[GreenStormCloud]

11. I watched a gun buy-back once.

I showed up at the end when they have all the guns laid out for the reporters. Lots and lots of junk guns, very few quality guns. Lots of .22LR rifles and single barrel break-open shotguns. Lots of low-quality handguns.

However, I do support gun buy-back programs. They provide a way for people who don't want a particular gun that is next to worthless to dispose of it and even get some money.

I have four old pieces of junk sitting in the closet, waiting for a gun buy-back around here.

[Glassunion]

16. I'm gonna make some cash!!!

Gonna get my hands on some of those movie replicas that shoot .22 blanks.
Production companies sell them for about 50 bucks. I'll turn around and get 100 a pop for an "assault weapon".
Not to mention it will make for a great photo op for the police when I back a Ryder truck up and unload shopping carts full of big scary assault weapons.

Amazing how you can get 100 bucks for useless weapons that even if they were on the "streets" would equate to thugs shooting cap guns at one another.

[DonP]

17. Time for the Illinois State Rifle Assn. to restock again

Two years ago they did the same thing. A $100 visa card for every gun turned in, $50 for every pellet or BB gun turned in etc.

A bunch of the downstate members gathered about 12 to 15 rust bucket old rifles and shotguns and drove to three separate turn in centers and got over $1,200 in gift cards - which they used to buy some new .22 target rifles and a few bricks of ammo for the junior shooter program at the Bonfield range.

They sent Daley a Thank You card for helping the Juniors program and ran a small ad in the Tribune thanking his for the sizable contribution.

Our tax dollars at work again.

Watch the news for the inevitable 1st generation Colt SAA that "magically" shows up every year for the press briefing. We'll leave out the facet of "no questions asked - no names taken" that also makes it an ideal way to dispose of a real crime gun right under the police noses.

[Katya Mullethov]

19. You cant blame them for trying

For a city with no guns , Chi-town certainly has some interesting guns .



See gunbroker # 165773370 to getcher Joe Kidd on . And it says right there , Chicago .

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. A pimped-out broomhandle Mauser? Yeesh.

And here I thought Saddam Hussein's gold-plated AK-47s were OTT...

[Euromutt]

25. Let's hope it was Chinese knock-off

Okay, Chinese knock-offs are antiques in their own right, but still.

[Artie Bucco]

24. Joe Kidd?

I am thinking more along the lines of Black Caesar.

[dashrif]

30. I love

that movie fav part was the water pot on a rope , after joe smacks the guy in the head with the pot he slides down the rope and I cringe when he drops the mauser in the dirt I heard that was not supposed to happen but was left in when Clint did not want to go down the Church bell tower again to reshoot the scene

[krispos42]

23. Damn, I won't be there on the 8th after all.

My family was considering having a meet-up in Will County that weekend, but it didn't work out. I have a rusted-out .22 bolt-action rifle I'd LOVE to get $75 for... I'd put it towards my fund to buy a pistol in a serious defensive caliber.

Oh, well. Too bad they're going to destroy them, though. Reselling (reuse) is much more eco-friendly than recycling.

[Euromutt]

26. I keep misreading this thread's title

For some reason, I keep reading it as "Chicago police accept another set-back program." I wonder why that is...

[one-eyed fat man]

28. Cold case file getting colder!

You got evidence of a crime? You need it irretrievably destroyed? Why throw it into Lake Michigan when you can get the Chicago PD to destroy it, PAY YOU, and guarantee no questions asked? This like getting a "Get out of Jail free" card!!

Explain to me how it makes sense that taking a few guns will be more effective than taking the low-life scum who use those guns to commit crimes off the street?

After the cops so conveniently destroy incriminating evidence from some shit-head's last effort at reducing his competition he'll just trade a few rocks for a new one. It's just overhead in his line of 'work.'

But, I understand your position completely, Howard Metzenbaum summed it up quite succinctly!

“I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns.” - Howard Metzenbaum, US Senator

[slackmaster]

29. I wish I could be there with my Federal Firearms License in hand

So I could intercept and get some good deals on curio and relic firearms before they get to the CPD.

[SteveM]

43. I got this old H&R target pistol which can't be fixed..... nt