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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:28 PM
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North Amityville Man Shot Wife With Shotgun
A North Amityville man was arrested for shooting his wife in the abdomen Tuesday night, Suffolk County police said.

Joseph James, 55, shot his wife once during a dispute inside the couple’s Columbus Boulevard home at about 11:45 p.m., police said. When police arrived they found a 12-gauge shotgun, lying on the floor near the victim.

James was charged with assault. His wife, Joanna James, 38, was taken to Good Samaritan Hospital Medical Center in West Islip where she was treated for her injuries. She was listed in stable condition.

http://www.longislandpress.com/2010/04/28/cops-north-amityville-man-shot-wife-with-shotgun/
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:32 PM
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1. Gee, if only she'd had a gun...
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 08:32 PM by baldguy
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:55 PM
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11. Then they both may be dead.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:49 AM
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23. If she did have one
Maybe her husband (bad guy in this instance) would be the one in the hospital instead of her.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 07:49 AM
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24. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
tabatha's scenario is more likely.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:12 AM
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25. So it's better she got shot
with no ability to defend herself with a firearm, is that correct? Otherwise, it'd be eye for an eye.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 10:38 AM
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26. Of course you're missing the logical, reasonable, legal - and most of all SANE - alternative.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 10:42 AM
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27. Explain to me what her SANE alternative was
while she was getting blasted by a shotgun.

I'll wait.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:55 PM
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28. Remove the gun from the equation, of course.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 01:00 PM
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29. And just pretend she wasn't shot?
Let's say the gun was removed. How about a knife, bat, board, scissors, screwdriver, crowbar or any other of a plethora of weapons easily available IF someone is intent on killing. When do we ban those?
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 03:11 PM
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30. People who equate shooting a gun with using a knife or a club
Have never tried to kill something by stabbing or clubbing it over the head.

The simple fact is that if the licensed gun owner in the OP hadn't had a legal, registered gun, he couldn't have shot his wife.

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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 03:24 PM
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31. She would be just as dead, regardless the weapon
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 03:45 PM
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32. All this time on your hands and you obviously haven't even read the story in the OP.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Just because guns make killing people 1000 times easier than by hand, doesn't mean it's a sure thing.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 04:59 PM
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33. I read the story. She lived. Extremely lucky
Doesn't take away from my statement that she'd be just as dead, or just as wounded, if another weapon were used.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:54 PM
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34. Given that 1/3 of homicides in the U.S. are committed by means other than a firearm...
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 06:59 PM by Euromutt
...a more supportable assertion would be that guns make killing people twice as easy, not a thousand. That's all other things being equal, which they typically are not.

The bulk of intimate partner killings are premeditated, and when the killer has had time to prepare, the actual weapon used makes little difference. There's no shortage of cases of husbands stabbing or beating their wives to death, and there's no reason to assume that if this guy hadn't had a shotgun, he wouldn't have used any of the numerous bladed and blunt implements that can be found in a typical home.
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:10 AM
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35. You're using logic
in which half the discussion is emotion based.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:36 PM
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2. Wow she'd gonna live from a 12 ga blast.
those are usually fatal. by the way I did not shoot her, so why should this concern me?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:41 PM
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5. It concerns you in this way, Pavulon: It is not a drunken driver in a car.
It is a man with a weapon who made a target of his wife with a weapon intended to kill.

So what exactly separates you from him?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:43 PM
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6. I like my wife, and it would be easier to divorce her than kill her.
you know logic and reason. What separates you from a guy who screws little kids, you know, because you could if you choose to?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:47 PM
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8. We are talking about a mechanical device to exterminate.
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 09:16 PM by sharesunited
One that imposes the assailant's will upon the victim beyond the assailant's natural strength or persuasive skill to induce (avoid) submission to an attack. A gun robs any assent whatsoever from the victim.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:51 PM
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10. Like a video tape of a criminal act? That robs the victim?
like I said, I am not shooting people, or committing any other crime, so this make no difference to my legal right to own weapons.

Dead is dead, knife, gun, same result.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:11 PM
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12. I think your equivalency fails in the technology itself.
Fight or flight against a knife. The options are reduced to a much low order of probability with a gun.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:18 PM
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13. +1
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 06:46 AM
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22. I think unless i plan on knifing or shooting, it has zero impact on me.
so while i feel bad for the person, it has no bearing on my rights to legally own a weapon. Trust me, where I live is far safer than the south side of chicago, you know where you have a running gun ban.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:48 PM
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18. Really?
"One that imposes the assailant's will upon the victim beyond the assailant's natural strength or persuasive skill to induce (avoid) submission to an attack."

You are clearly a being of pure energy. Anybody who thinks a 200 lb. man cannot subdue a 90lb. woman with his bare hands does not have to deal with the reality of physics.

Here, just for fun, try this. Find a biker bar. Locate the biggest ugliest biker in the place. Slap him on the face and call him a pussywhipped motherfucker. See what happens.

Reality could be interesting if you would only try it.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 01:38 AM
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21. Update:
http://www.ocregister.com/news/kruger-246063-magazine-huynh.html



SANTA ANA — A Newport Beach man attempting to steal a pornographic magazine shoved a liquor store owner so fiercely that the man flew through the air and landed on the back of his head, a prosecutor told a jury here Tuesday.

Hao Huynh, who owned Sportsman Liquor in Newport Beach for 15 years, died the day after the vicious attack on July 28, 2007 from a fractured skull and massive bleeding in the brain, Deputy District Attorney Matt Murphy said.

Those circumstances make defendant Weston Scott Kruger, 31, guilty of special circumstances murder in the commission of a robbery, Murphy said in his opening statements.

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shedevil69taz Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:25 PM
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14. How I use the weapons I own
separates me from him. I have not nor will I ever shoot my wife because we have an argument.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:31 PM
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20. The same thing that separates *you* from a botnet or phishing site operator
You have the means of conducting either or both of these criminal endeavors in your control, and given not too much effort
and an antisocial bent on your part- you could do so, for fun and profit.

So, why don't you? (I am presuming you are not doing so.)
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:15 AM
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36. A much more fair question would be "What separates you from
Fox News?"

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Mother Smuckers Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:37 PM
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3. Help me out here...this story is somewhat interesting in that surviving a shotgun wound is rare
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 08:39 PM by Mother Smuckers
if it was fired from anything like close, and I'm glad the lady is still around, but what exactly is the point of putting the story here? I've been reading your posts and I can't figure out what you think should be "done" about what you obviously consider a big problem. If you have said, I missed it so if you would be so kind, say once more again...please?

edited for typo, sorry

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leeloo Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:51 PM
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9. Guns are bad...EOM.....Thats it....
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shedevil69taz Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:28 PM
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16. Would all depend on what kind of load
he had in the gun I would guess. The target rounds I use when shooting clay pigeons is pretty weak.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:41 PM
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4. Wait for the usual chorus of shocked and surprised neighbors
"Such nice people, kept to themselves, never bothered anybody" etc. etc. And then it will turn out the "dispute" consisted of her telling him she wanted a divorce, and that he'd been controlling, possessive, and possibly abusive for years.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 08:45 PM
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7. Recommend
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leeloo Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:27 PM
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15. What are you recommending,he shot his Wife,he owns a 12Ga,she is still alive????
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 09:43 PM
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17. I guess it could have easily been a chain saw...
Texas Chain Saw Massacre..

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/national/article_69b29e60-c92c-5157-a03e-df3f6db8355d.html

Police searched Wednesday for a Texas man authorities say used two chain saws to decapitate his wife before leaving her body in the street near their suburban Dallas home.<snip>

<snip> Two chain saws with blades covered in blood were on the tailgate of a pickup truck in the driveway. One of the chain saws was still running, the affidavit said. <snip>


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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 10:23 PM
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19. Nohandle better ban wives and husbands. Then we'll all be safe.
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