Anybody read From Luby's to the Legislature: One Woman's Fight Against Gun Control

[RamboLiberal]

I started reading it, interesting book. I was well aware of Suzanna Gratia Hupp and the tragic murder of her parents and a lot of other innocent people that day in Luby's. I probably don't agree with her on 90% of issues since she is a Republican but good for her in channeling her grief into fighting for Concealed Carry.

BTW, she mentions a couple of times that she feels Bush became governor beating Ann Richards because of Richard's veto of the CCW bill. Wonder if Richards had signed it into law if we would've been spared that awful 8 years of Bush in the WH?

On October 16, 1991, Suzanna Gratia Hupp witnessed the tragic shooting of 23 people at Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, among them her parents. Ironically she had decided against carrying a small revolver—that could have dramatically changed the day's events—in her purse that day out of a fear of losing her chiropractor’s license if caught possessing a weapon. In this autobiography, she chronicles her evolution from a small-town chiropractor into a national icon for the right to armed self-defense. Her transformation into a high-profile, gun-rights activist began when her impassioned calls for the right of citizens to carry guns for self-protection thrust her into the middle of the gun-control debate. She repeatedly testified under oath against the ineffectiveness of gun-control laws that, in her opinion, disarmed law-abiding citizens, making them potential victims of criminals who did not obey the law. This position on gun legislation paved the way for a decade-long tenure as a member of the Texas House of Representatives, where, in addition to championing Second Amendment and privacy rights, she served as a member of the House Rural and Veterans and Military Affairs Caucuses, Chair of the House Select Committee on Child Welfare and Foster Care, and Chair of the Human Services Committee.

About the Author
Suzanna Gratia Hupp is a gun rights activist who has appeared on 48 Hours, CBS Evening News, and World News Tonight and has been quoted in publications such as People magazine, U.S. News & World Report, and the Wall Street Journal. She is a former licensed chiropractor and a former member of the Texas House of Representatives. She is a recipient of the National Rifle Association’s Sybil Ludington Women’s Freedom Award and was awarded a lifetime membership in the National Rifle Association by Charlton Heston. She lives in Lampasas, Texas.

http://www.amazon.com/Lubys-Legislature-Womans-Against-Control/dp/096567844X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273011556&sr=1-1

[Travis Coates]

1. You left one crucial detail out

About the Author
Suzanna Gratia Hupp is a gun rights activist who has appeared on 48 Hours, CBS Evening News, and World News Tonight and has been quoted in publications such as People magazine, U.S. News & World Report, and the Wall Street Journal. She is a former licensed chiropractor and a former member of the Texas House of Representatives. She is a recipient of the National Rifle Association’s Sybil Ludington Women’s Freedom Award and was awarded a lifetime membership in the National Rifle Association by Charlton Heston. She lives in Lampasas, Texas. she is also totally hot

Fixed it for you


edited title

[shadowrider]

2. Luby's is one of the main reasons I carry

and will NOT spend money at an establishment that prohibits firearms. I won't be a sitting duck.

[Travis Coates]

4. I agree

People are Nuckin' Futts these days. In all seriousness the world is becoming a more and more violent place I don't want to be caught defenseless by the next maniac who wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

[X_Digger]

3. I've been looking for the kindle version to come out..

No luck so far.

[sharesunited]

5. Although her viewpoint is understandable, she is caught in the same old trap.

Guns as solution to guns.

It's Texas. Hello!? The Fort Hood shooter got armed at the Guns Galore Store before going on his rampage.

[Travis Coates]

6. The Fort Hood shooter

Carried out his rampage in a place where the average law abiding citizen was disarmed by government fiat.

But you knew that

[sharesunited]

8. To say that guns should be carried everywhere is the same thing as saying

that the answer to the Gulf oil spill is Drill Baby Drill.

i.e., More of the same poison.

Willfully pursuing a futile course.

[mvccd1000]

9. Not quite....

.... I'd put forth that it's the same thing as saying: "The answer to the oil spewing into the gulf because of an explosion on the oil rig is to use another explosion to cap off the leak."

I see the confusion, though. Even though the LEAK is the actual problem in the gulf, some people think that the drilling is the problem.

Those same people probably ignore the fact that CRIME with a gun is the actual problem, and think that the gun itself is the problem.

[Travis Coates]

10. Do you have a response

To the fact that most of these "rampages" occur in "gun free" zones?

[sharesunited]

12. The rampage guns are invariably brought in from outside the gun free zones.

The answer isn't to do away with gun free zones.

It's to expand them into a single seamless gun free zone from sea to shining sea.

[shadowrider]

13. -- Snort --

Like I've said before, your posts are always good for an excellent chuckle.

[gorfle]

17. So what do we do in the meantime?

It's to expand them into a single seamless gun free zone from sea to shining sea.

So what should people do in the meantime to protect themselves while we wait a few thousand years for for your fantasy to come true?

[gorfle]

18. "A single seamless gun free zone from sea to shining sea"

A few questions for you:

1) How long do you think it will take to achieve your goal?

2) Are you talking about all guns, or just the guns in private hands? What about the police and military?

[beevul]

40. Going to help confiscate them yourself?

Going to help confiscate them yourself, are you?

Or are you going to rely on others with guns to get it done?

I thought you said "guns as an answer to guns" wasn't the way to go?


Hypocritical much?

[Travis Coates]

41. And then the guns will be brought in from outside the country

Then what?

[Dr. Strange]

14. Should cops carry guns?

[sharesunited]

20. Police in England didn't used to carry guns.

They had to start carrying them because people were shooting at them.

Eventually, with adequate suppression of retail gun trade and the appropriate social taboo directed against guns and ammo, the situation may become sufficiently pacified once again.

[Dr. Strange]

21. This doesn't make sense.

They had to start carrying them because people were shooting at them.

Why doesn't that qualify as "More of the same poison"?

[sharesunited]

24. Because police use is under constraint of public authorization and institutional guidelines.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

33. And what if police fail to follow the institutional guidelines?

They are punished under the letter of the law, no?

If you agree, then I would submit that public authorization extends to CCW and there are laws and institutional guidelines within the framework of CCW that must be followed. After all, it is law written and endorsed by our leaders in a democratic republic which authorizes and regulates the conditions of CCW - aka "public authorization". Break that law and be punished just like an officer would. The only thing keeping officers and CCWers from overstepping the bounds of the institutional guidelines the public has authorized them to operate within is self-restrant... there is nothing magical about wearing a badge.

[sharesunited]

36. Couldn't disagree with you more.

Authorizing average Americans to walk around with loaded guns is nothing more than a masturbatory indulgence of gun love as lobbied for by the NRA. It worsens the menace of proliferation.

A badge makes all the difference. Continuous supervision, training, peer review, and visible presence. A regularized system administering justice and security in equal measure.

[shadowrider]

37. Cause a badge means they'll never do anything wrong

--Snort--

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

38. "A badge makes all the difference"

These "average Americans" walking around with guns have been certified and are trained how to use them, they have qualified with them, and they have been taught the laws pertaining to carrying/using them. These "average Americans" demonstrate year after year a statistical propensity to be more law abiding than even certified police officers. If you could pull your head out of your ass and quit fantasizing about masturbation and gun love maybe you'd learn a thing or two. Your post demonstrates a lack of understanding of both police officer training and CCW training.

Continuous supervision... police officers are often working the beat or in squad cars alone. The only supervision you could count on would be during training. When they are out doing their job... the only self control keeps them from breaking laws.

Training... Are you familiar with police training? There is a helluva lot more cops do than guns and gun laws. Most of a cop's training is spent learning ordinances and regulations (very few of which are firearm related) and processes of duty. There is also a significant time spent preparing for and learning how conduct testimony in court of process legal documents and observations. Most officers I know quite literally shoot maybe twice a year to qualify. Most officers I know are particularly sub-par when it comes to weapons skill and firearm regulations... the only ones I've encountered who are well versed on the subject of guns are firearms enthusiasts OUTSIDE of being a law enforcement officer.

Cops receive more broad, but less indepth, training than CCWers because their role is multi-functional. They enforce all laws and perform duties purposefully intervening in situations requiring action or legal specific knowledge. CCWers do not try to fill the role of an officer. The only training a CCWer needs is how to competently operate a weapon (instruction & qualification, similar to LEO training), how to legally handle the weapon (storage, in vehicles, legal holsters...), and when its use warranted (ONLY in a life-threatening situation). This is very acute training and does not have to address extraneous variables because such information would likely be irrelevant to the role of a CCWer. A CCWer, for example, would never need to learn how to identify an illegal machine gun with reasonable suspicion or how to process a stolen firearm.

peer review... irrelevant. What a cop does is already done. What does peer review matter... it cannot change the outcome of a poor or possibly illegal decision. News flash... civilians have peer review too. It's call "trial by a jury of your peers".

visible presence... the benefit of visible presence is as debatable as open carry. An officer present can deescalate a situation by virtue that wrongdoers KNOW there is someone present

The only real difference between a CCWer and a cop is the broad spectrum training officers need and CCWers would never use anyways. There's nothing questionable about CCW... it is certainly a "regularized system" codified by law and certainly can provide "security" should one require the use of deadly force. The only questionable variable involved with is "justice" and a CCWers actions are scrutinized and the person is held to trial if their actions are indeed questionable... no different than an officer who doles out questionable "justice". CCWers are not above the law just as officers are not - I'm sorry, "A badge DOES NOT make all the difference".

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

39. Sounds to me like you actually support a more stringent/uniform national CCW training regimen.

Something that certifies all CCWers have similar pistol qualification and applicable law training as officers nationwide.
Since both officers and civilians are culpable for their unlawful actions... I guess we are already on the same page there.

I couldn't agree more.

[one-eyed fat man]

42. A badge does all that?

That really is a hoot coming from someone living around Chicago, given their reputation.

Regardless, one of my uncle's had a badge. While I didn't know it then, but when I was a small boy in Germany he was putting 'troublemakers' into cattle cars going to Poland.

I was almost 13 in 1955 when my parents managed to leave the DDR and emigrate to the United States. Having lived under all three political systems, I am partial to this one. I know fully why THEY restricted their citizens from gun ownership.

If a government's legitimacy and moral right to use state power is only justified and legal when derived from the people or society over which that power is exercised then a state monopoly on arms transforms "consent of the governed" to "acquiescence of the coerced."

Anyway, if the choice is between a free society, with it's attendant problems of occasionally corrupt or criminal individuals, or a corrupt and criminal government with its oppressive security, I still pick freedom.

Fast approaching my Biblical allotment of "three-score and ten", history is not so abstract if you lived through a good chunk of it.

[spin]

43. Oh bullshit!!!!!!! ...

Chicago Police Corruption Probe Under Way

A major police corruption probe is under way in Chicago.

Its target: an elite police tactical unit. Its alleged ringleader: a highly decorated police officer who, with other cops, allegedly committed home invasions and robberies.

CAROL MARIN: As many as eight Chicago police officers, according to a highly placed source, may be criminally indicted soon. They work for SOS, the "Special Operations Section" of the Chicago Police Department.
http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Chicago-Police-Corruption-Probe-Under-Way/1$32424

Crime and Corruption in New Orleans

Police misconduct in the 'Big Easy' has reached a frightening fever pitch. In the last year, seven young black men have been killed by police, and none of the officers have been punished.
October 17, 2005 |

People from New Orleans were not surprised to see last week's horrifying video of police beating an innocent 64-year-old man in the French Quarter. The only surprise is the increased attention the incident received -- though many news reports took pains to mention the "high levels of stress" New Orleans police are under.

Despite the attempts to explain away the officer's behavior, said incident fits into a well-defined pattern of police conduct in New Orleans. In the last year, seven young black men have been killed by New Orleans police, and none of the officers involved have been punished.

This year has seen mounting evidence of a police department out of control. Less than a week before Hurricane Katrina, on Wednesday, Aug. 24, Keith Griffin, a New Orleans police officer, was booked with aggravated rape and kidnapping. According to a Times-Picayune report, Griffin is accused of pulling over a bicyclist under the guise of a police stop in the early morning hours of July 11. The two-year veteran officer allegedly detained the woman, drove her to a remote spot along the Industrial Canal near Deslonde Street, then sexually assaulted her.
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/

Prevalence of police corruption

Accurate information about the prevalence of police corruption is hard to come by, since the corrupt activities tend to happen in secret and police organizations have little incentive to publish information about corruption.<5> Police officials and researchers alike have argued that in some countries, large-scale corruption involving the police not only exists but can even become institutionalized.<6> One study of corruption in the Los Angeles Police Department (focusing particularly on the Rampart scandal) proposed that certain forms of police corruption may be the norm, rather than the exception, in American policing.<7>

Where corruption exists, the widespread existence of a code of silence among the police can prevent the corruption from coming to light. Officers in these situations commonly fail to report corrupt behavior or provide false testimony to outside investigators to cover up criminal activity by their fellow officers.<8> The well-known case of Frank Serpico, a police officer who spoke out about pervasive corruption in the New York City Police Department despite the open hostility of other members of the NYPD, illustrates how powerful the code of silence can be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_corruption

I know many police officers and I respect and admire them for doing a thankless job. A few do misuse their authority. In fact cops have a higher crime rate than those who have concealed carry permits.

[dmallind]

44. Cop gun training is less rigorous than most CCW tests

A beginner shooter should be able to pass the normal cop gun qualification by his third range visit. Having seen many cops do qualification tests at teh range I used to go to, I suspect many of those cops did just that. The average hobbyist is far superior to the average non-hobbyist cop in shooting ability AND safety.

[RamboLiberal]

46. Yep these guys with a badge sure were law-abiding

A Pittsburgh police detective ordered to anger-management three years ago was arrested Monday on charges that he choked a motorist and threatened him with a pistol during a weekend road-rage incident.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10124/1055351-53.stm#ixzz0n5nYJQ50

The District Attorney's Office on Monday charged with murder an off-duty police officer who witnesses said sprayed a South Philadelphia street with gunfire, killing his unarmed brother-in-law and wounding two other people.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20100504_Off-duty_Philadelphia_officer_charged_with_murder.html

News that a state trooper had been charged with killing Blairsville dentist John Yelenic came as no surprise to the victim's friends, who knew that the trooper had been living with the dentist's estranged wife.

Seventeen months after Dr. Yelenic was found stabbed to death in his home, Trooper Kevin Foley, who worked as a homicide investigator, was charged with homicide in the April 2006 slaying.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07271/821259-85.stm#ixzz0n5o3cjj5

That's three in my state alone.

[proteus_lives]

51. Pure horse-hockey.

Canards because you have no real thoughts.

[bluestateguy]

53. Giving governments a monopoly on all the firearms

I find that very scary.

[rrneck]

58. LOL

"A regularized system administering justice and security in equal measure."

[shedevil69taz]

63. So if continous supervision, training,and peer review

make all the difference why is it that even with a valid CCW from the state that I am stationed, as a US Army Soldier I cannot legally carry on the installation where I work?

People who live on base have it worse they can't even have ANY firearms in their residence. They have to keep them in the arms rooms of the unit they are assigned to.

[rrneck]

57. ...

[shadowrider]

22. Became pacified?

What world do you live in? All the bad guys did was switch to knives (resulting in a calling for a ban on them), bats and steel toed boots (the better to kick someones head in).

However, at least the victims didn't die of gunshot wounds, but of other causes.

[sharesunited]

23. You can't outrun a bullet, and pulling a trigger requires very little effort.

Yes, they ought to ban knives too, at least anything other than tableware.

Maybe they will. I hope they do.

[shadowrider]

25. Now I'm really laughing. You hope they ban knives too????????

Holy cow.

On edit: Pulling a trigger is easy. Pulling the trigger while maintaining accuracy requires practice, practice and when you're done, more practice.

[sharesunited]

26. Combat knives, of course, banned. Needed for what? Combat? Sorry, and no thanks.

[shadowrider]

27. You said all knives except those for tableware. You didn't specify combat knives

Once the ban on combat knives is in place, the slippery slope takes you to butcher knives etc.

[sharesunited]

30. Don't you think a useful distinction can be made between items which are and are not

intended to kill human beings?

Pretending to be incapable of making that differentiation is worse than a slippery slope.

It is an elevator shaft to annihilation.

[shadowrider]

32. I can use a pencil to kill. When will you ban those?

[sharesunited]

34. Give you a gun or you will kill with a pencil? If allowed a pencil, why can't you have a gun?

You are only pretending to be incapable of seeing any difference.

In order to make the point that there is no spectrum of deadliness, I guess.

[sui generis]

62. man!

you know I have too much fun in the gungeon. I have to pace myself. Why tempt me with a comment like that? :P

I have taken several people out with my keyboard alone . . .

So, let me distill this, just for fun.

1. You could die at Luby's due to some whackjob showing up in hissy fit with a gun, chances are 1:1brazillion.
2. If everyone had a gun at Luby's fewer people would have died that day due to diligent prepared people with gun sitting next to liver and onions and iced tea and banana pudding.
3. Pencils are as effective as guns.

If I were me, which, statistically speaking I am, I'd save myself the expense and mental health issues associated with having to be on guard with a pencil or a gun at all times, and just eat somewhere besides Luby's.

Just my two cents. ;)

[spin]

48. Again your lack of knowledge is showing. Knives this time ...

KA-BAR, The Legend

KA-BAR, The Legend
On December 9, 1942, after the start of World War II, KA-BAR submitted a fighting knife to the United States Marine Corps in hopes that it would become general issue to that branch of the military. Working in conjunction with the Marine Quartermaster Department a design was devised and soon production was under way on a new and improved fighting / utility knife for the Marines. As the war escalated, the demand for these knives was so great that the KA-BAR factory alone could not keep up. The government assigned several knife companies to create similar knives as supplemental pieces for those serving the War. KA-BAR’s wartime production totaled more than 1 million. The KA-BAR knives became so well recognized for their quality and so abundant in number that “Kabar” became the name by which many referred to this knife pattern, regardless of whether the knife was manufactured at the KA-BAR facility.

These knives were depended upon to perform daily tasks such as pounding tent stakes, driving nails, opening ration cans and digging foxholes, not to mention defending lives.

Growing so in popularity and earning only the greatest respect, the KA-BAR was adopted by not only the Marines, but also the Army, Navy, Coast Guard and Underwater Demolition Teams. Years after World War II, many KA-BARS were unofficially reactivated in the Korean, Vietnam, Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom conflicts.

***snip***

Today, the original USMC Fighting / Utility Knife remains the first choice for many Marines who choose to carry it as their personal option knife during service. It is also a favorite of adventurers, survivalists, outdoor sportsmen and, of course, knife collectors who know that this knife – this “American Legend” – deserves a place in their collection.emphasis added

https://www.kabar.com/famous.jsp

I have one in my knife collection. You can buy them on Amazon.com.

Bark River Bravo-1

This knife was developed with the assistance of the Training Unit of the Force Recon Division of the U.S. Marine Corp. They bought a large number of knives on the Commercial market and tested them without saying anything to any of the makers.

The Bark River Gameskeeper came out on top.

Bark River Knives was contacted by the Force Recon team and asked to make a knife based on the Gameskeeper with just a few changes.

The Bravo-1 is the result of their Input.

The balance of the knife had to be on the first finger.

The sheath was to be Kydex and attachable to the issue equipment and it's Molle Straps.

With the location of the eyelets, you can change the sheath from Right to Left Hand Carry--Upright or Inverted Carry.

The handle slabs had to be epoxied and bolted to and through the blade.

The Synthetic Material Handles will all have Stainless Steel Screw Sets and the wood handled knives have brass. Natural handle materials come with a leather field sheath instead of the standard kydex.

The Final Result is a Heavy Duty Bushcraft/Survival Knife that can stand up to Abusive use.
http://www.knivesshipfree.com/Bark-River-Knives-Bravo-1-USMC-Knife-Black-and-Red-Linen-Micarta

This knife which can be purchased at http://www.knivesshipfree.com is VERY popular with hunters and sportsmen. I also have one in my collection. This knife was the first I bought from Bark River Knife and Tool and it was my EDC (every day carry) knife for about six months until I decided to buy another Bark River Knife. It proved a great knife for every task I used it for including food prep. I also carried in openly in public without attracting any undue attention (In a rural area of North Florida).

From the Manufacturer
As legacies go, a man could do worse than being survived by the famous knife he designed. Such is the case with the late Colonel Rex Applegate. He was one of this proud nation's top authorities on close-quarters combat in particular, and fighting knives in general. The Applegate-Fairbairn Covert from Gerber stands with the Applegate-Fairbairn Combat as lasting symbols of the colonel's dedication, expertise, and sense of purpose. It should come as no surprise that these two knives are known internationally as best-of-class among folding tactical knives. They've rightfully earned a reputation for unmatched strength, durability and balance. More than that, tactical professionals have high regard for the high carbon 420 stainless steel blade. As well as the glass-filled nylon handles, and the patented rotolock. The Combat has the added convenience of a hearty pocket clip and a ballistic nylon sheath.
Product Description
Designed by the Legendary Colonel Rex Applegate, a man who knew as much as anybody about close quarters combat. These knives embody his vision of a folding combat knife. Gerber's Applegate-Fairbairn line of knives are one-handed opening, liner lock knives ideal for many situations. The Covert is a 3/4 version of the Combat Folder. Designed for inconspicuous carry, the Covert has a reversible stainless steel pocket clip. With an opening stud on both sides, this knife is easily adapted to for left-handed use. The black titanium coated blade is made from ATS-34 stainless steel and coated with black titanium nitride. The Covert also is the first product to incorporate the Interlock, a Gerber exclusive. This is a safety that firmly locks the liner in place, preventing accidental unlocking of the blade. Blade: Premium 154CM material, double bevel, partial serration. Blade Length: 3.875". Open Length: 8.5". Closed Length: 3.88". Handle: Contoured-molded nylon with lanyard hole.
http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-45785-Applegate-Fairbairn-Covert-Serrated/dp/B000VX1FPK

This was my work knife for several years. It cut a lot of plastic ties, opened cardboard boxes and stripped wire. A great pocket knife that solidly locks open.

As with firearms, which have a history of use of military and civilian use, a well designed knife can be very useful for warfare or for hunting, survival and general use.

Fortunately, we had a revolution which separated us from England. We have a right to own firearms (with some reasonable restrictions) and we also have far more rights to own and carry knives than current citizens in Great Britain.

They are limited to carrying short folding knives which require two hands to open and with a blade that doesn't lock in place. Any blade that doesn't lock open is a potential trip to the hospital to repair sliced fingers.

Yet with all their nanny laws, Great Britain has a higher violent crime rate than the United States and much involves knife crime.

[PavePusher]

28. Please define "combat knife"...

and explain how they are different from other knives.

What makes them more lethal/dangerous, and unsuitable for any other purpose?

Please note that the U.K. now generally requires ID to purchase kitchen knives (I had to show ID to buy a 2 1/2" paring knife 4 years ago) and in some places even tableware (the edges can be ground down, you know).

What is your solution to the "knife problem"?

[shadowrider]

29. Combat knife = anything with a sharp blade I betcha

[sharesunited]

31. Did you resent having to show ID to buy the kitchen knife? Or did you applaud their effort?

At the very least, it must have impressed you with the gravity of the purchase as regarded by the British public.

[PavePusher]

35. I resented it enough (and related occurances)...

that I didn't try to hard to stay for another tour when my then-current assignment was over.

Beautiful country, but they are diving head-first towards 1984.

And I have my own nation to worry about.

[rrneck]

60. Here's a combat club. Let's see you outlaw that.

:rofl:

[rrneck]

59. How do you feel about a raw food diet?

[rrneck]

56. If they make

obtuse bullshit like that illegal you're screwed.

[rrneck]

61. Most criminals can outrun most people.

Thus, you can't outrun a knife either. Duh.

[gorfle]

16. Nice dodge.

You didn't even address the poster's point:

In Fort Hood, most people were already prohibited from carrying firearms.

A lot of good it did, eh?

[sharesunited]

19. A house divided against itself. All slave or all free?

I say that a society in which you are incentivized to carry a loaded gun with you everywhere and at all times cannot possibly be defined as free.

It is all slave.

[AtheistCrusader]

47. Show me a place where slaves are armed.

Anyplace will do.

[gorfle]

55. Chirp...Chirp...Chirp...

...

[Katya Mullethov]

64. You do crop a mighty close mullet

[gorfle]

54. Armed men are by definition free.

I say that a society in which you are incentivized to carry a loaded gun with you everywhere and at all times cannot possibly be defined as free.

It is all slave.

And I would say that an armed man is the epitome of a free man.

To quote Thomas Jefferson: "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

[Katya Mullethov]

11. They did the best they could

And flipped the table on its side , hiding behind it . No points for begging, pleading , and groveling ? As I am sure there was a lot of that going on that day .

[gorfle]

15. This is like complaining about insurance as a solution to fires.

Although her viewpoint is understandable, she is caught in the same old trap. Guns as solution to guns.

This is like complaining about insurance as a solution to fires. Sure, we'd rather not tie up hundreds of billions of dollars in insurance payments annually - think of all the good things that could be done with that money that are not getting done! But fires are a fact of life, and insurance is a prudent measure to protect against it. As long as you have to deal with fires, you might as well avail yourself to the best protection you can afford.

Same goes for violent crime.

[proteus_lives]

50. SU: "everyone should be good victims"

"Fighting back isn't liberal"

:eyes:

[jazzhound]

7. When Charles Schumer sent me a letter asking me for my financial support

I sent him the link that you'll find at the end of this post, explaining to him that the Democratic Party isn't going to see another dime of my money until they stop sabotaging their own worthwhile agenda with useless gun "control" legislation. The cold expression on Schumer's face while Suzanna was testifying says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis

[one-eyed fat man]

45. Chuck Schumer

Chuck on the range with a TEC-9



Chuck on a canned pheasant hunt with Ben Nelson.

What does Chuck have in common with a pachyderm shipping container ?

They are both "hippo-crates"!

:rofl:

[bluestateguy]

49. I will continue the fight for more pro-gun Democrats to be elected to Congress and governorships

And in the last two elections were have done a lot of that.

[proteus_lives]

52. Brave woman.

:thumbsup: