Is The Brady Campaign A Closet Klavern Of The Klan? (Ammoland article)

[shadowrider]

Bellevue, WA --(AmmoLand.com)- They opposed a landmark court ruling that struck down the handgun ban in District of Columbia, a city with a predominantly black population.

They later opposed legislation that would grant the District full voting rights in Congress, because the measure contained a provision expanding gun rights for those same citizens.

They filed a court brief opposing a lawsuit filed against the City of Chicago’s handgun ban by Otis McDonald, an African-American whose life story would make inspiring material for a movie.

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The Brady Campaign and their soul mates at the Violence Policy Center (the VPC has promoted reduced 2A rights for blacks before) have consistently avoided discussing the racist underpinnings of gun control because they know it is a political minefield. Historian Clayton Cramer noted in his essay on the racist roots of gun control that, “The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws — and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, governments openly stated that gun control laws were useful for keeping blacks and Hispanics “in their place” and for quieting the racial fears of whites.”

http://www.ammoland.com/

[brendan120678]

1. It was started by a bunch of Republicans...

don't know about the makeup of the current Boar of Directors, though.

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[Tejas]

25. Gunowners are oppressing blacks in DC?

damntexdem (1000+ posts) Thu May-13-10 03:50 PM
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19. That's the wonderful thing about it:
Republicans became aware of the horrid dangers posed for our society by our ridiculous gun practices, when James Brady was shot. Opposition to the gunnuts was no longer just a "Democratic issue."

And the part about DC is pure nonsense -- those who are oppressing DC, and its majority-African-American population, are the gunnuts who are trying to overturn DC's quite-reasonable gun control laws.
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I had to read your post a few times to make sure I wasn't seeing things.

[TPaine7]

31. Those who want to know what the "reasonable gun control laws" were

before those lunatics on the Supreme Court started oppressing the District's residents, read this OP:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x170607

[rrneck]

27. Could you explain how that works please? nt

[shadowrider]

28. I'm kinda curious myself n/t

[Travis Coates]

37. Lest we forget

Charleton Heston marched W/ King in Selma ( Damn that racist NRA)

[drm604]

2. Are you kidding me?

Regardless of how one feels about gun control, to call the Brady Campaign racist because of a few very selective examples is the lowest form of rhetoric. DU should be above these kinds of ridiculous talking points.

[shadowrider]

5. The facts stated are not untrue

The truth hurts. It should be a valid discussion point, especially in a gun forum. Your opinion may differ, no harm, no foul.

[drm604]

20. The facts may be true

but they're also very selective and they do not prove what you claim they prove.

I don't want to get pulled into a discussion about gun control, it's a never-ending argument that won't get solved on here. I only posted because I saw this thread listed in the "latest" section and I hate this kind of disingenuous argument.

If you want to discuss whether or not gun control is bad for minorities, that's one thing, but to outright claim that advocates are racist and to claim to prove it by presenting a few carefully selected examples is dishonest.

I've had my say and, as I said, I don't want to get drawn into a gun control debate.

[shadowrider]

22. I'm not claiming they're racist. Their want of a ban affects people of all color

[shadowrider]

26. Your opinion is respectfully noted

No harm, no foul

[bluestateguy]

3. Gun control is racist and elitist

and homophobic too.

[proteus_lives]

13. +1000

[madrchsod]

4. wow..... what a load of right wing crap.

[shadowrider]

7. In what way is it right wing crap?

Just curious.

[onehandle]

8. It's a right wing anti-Obama site that is linked to frequently in here.

Funny, that.

[shadowrider]

9. So if a left wing site had the same article up, it'd be ok then?

Disprove what the article states and don't simply make "It's the RW" your response.

[Tejas]

34. Yet, YOU are PERFECTLY FINE with RW Brady garbage,

Funny, that.

[friendly_iconoclast]

35. I've noticed you're really rocking the genetic fallacy lately.

Well, it is easier to disparage the speaker than their agument, so there's that.

The trouble comes when you get caught doing so.

[Caliman73]

6. No.

They aren't Brady is a self serving organization just like the NRA is, except pro ownership people tend to agree with the NRA stance more than we do with Brady. Both organizations are still just in the fight because it keeps them paid.

Brady and VPC are misguided organizations that respond to the fears of both white people and ethnic minorities. If you live in a high crime area where gunfire is regular, I would imagine that you would agree that too many people have too many guns whether you are white, black, brown, or any other color. Brady and VPC are short sighted and narrow minded in thinking that restricting gun ownership will prevent violence. It just shifts the tool used.

They are wrong and are attacking the problems of crime and violence from the wrong angle, but they aren't racist and they certainly aren't closeted KKK members. That kind of argument is just dumb.

[shadowrider]

12. I agree with you. Their goal is banning guns regardless of color

However, their policies impact low income people (mostly black IMO) who are most in need of personal protection.

[Caliman73]

16. That goes for every single thing done or not done in this society

The entire society of the United States is built on a racist past. The legal system is elitist and therefore racist. Education, social services, law enforcement, and other vital services all under serve poor, mostly ethnic minority people because policies are based on capitalism and those with the most money, power, and prestige are the ones who set the policies.

I am not defending the Brady organization or VPC. I just think that attacking them from a stand point of comparing them to the KKK is hyperbolic and does not speak to the fence sitters.

[Deep13]

10. Short answer, no. nt

[X_Digger]

11. Nah, misguided.

They don't realize that the coat tails they're chasing belong to Jim Crow.

[Caliman73]

18. I agree

Misguided, self serving, and many other descriptors fit better than closeted KKK. The roots of almost every policy in this nation can point to the racial divisions of the past that still exist today. We may not have a formalized class system like in feudal systems, but we have haves and have nots. The haves will always attempt to stack the deck in their favor and will enlist the masses to assist them by appealing to fears. The have nots are typically ethnic minorities and the poor, who will bear the brunt of the problems caused by the systems as it stands.

[katandmoon]

14. You DO realize that DC has its own elected city council?

If DC citizens don't want the DC gun ban they have but to vote into office a pro-death-weapon city council.

Don't hold your breath for that to happen, BTW.

It seems that DC's predominantly black city council is doing exactly what their predominantly black constituents want them to do -- keep a lid on guns as much as they can.

The only thing that's racist here is the fucking NRA and republican assholes in congress trying to force guns on DC in exchange for fair representation in congress.

[PavePusher]

17. So, segregation and censorship and no wiccans in city limits after dark...

would be O.K. with you too, right?

You do want to be intellectually consistent, RIGHT?!

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[PavePusher]

30. I merely bow to your logic.

If the community votes for it, it must be so.

But feel free to continue attempting to dodge the position you have put yourself in.

[PavePusher]

33. I really wish that comment could be restored...

kind of goes to prove my point.

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. So you're OK with abortion bans, too, if the constituents want it?

If the legislatures do what their constituents want, who are you to question it?

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. You DO realize that Oklahoma has its own elected legislature?

If Oklahoma citizens don't want the Oklahoma abortion ban they have but to vote into office a pro-death legislature.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen, BTW.

It seems that Oklahoma's predominantly Christian legislature is doing exactly what their predominantly Christian
constituents want them to do -- keep a lid on abortion as much as they can.

(Great minds think alike, no?)

[provis99]

15. do you have any proof Klansmen join the Brady organization?

Well judging from the gun shows I've seen in Knoxville, Tennessee, there are Klansmen who are in the NRA and Handgun Owners of America. So post this right-wing bullshit on freerepublic, where it belongs.

[shadowrider]

24. I honestly don't think they're implying they're actual Klansmen

I believe the point is the Brady campaign, in their attempt at gun control, is keeping weapons out of the hands of those most in need of protection, poor inner-city blacks. It also affects people of all color, but in D.C. specifically, it's blacks.

It's called a euphamism.

[Glassunion]

21. It would have been more cool if you spelled Closet and Campaign with a K in your headline.

Just sayin'

[rrneck]

29. Opportunist? Yes. Racist? No. nt

[benEzra]

32. Ah, that's a reach. I'd say they are more classist than racist.

I don't think they are consciously racist at all. I do note that they are fine with wealthy country club types owning very high-powered, expensive weapons, but they are much less comfortable with ownership of much of anything by blue collar workers, residents of the inner city, and the relatively poor.

That's not to say that a whole heck of a lot of gun restrictions were passed by racist bigots, including NYC's Sullivan Law and a lot of the Jim Crow gun laws here in the South, but that all predates the Brady Campaign and whatnot.